MOTM v Wales



  • @snowy
    If we are getting the tight work done from 1-5 (perhaps excepting 2) then I think that's a nice idea - if Read can revert to the the wide ball runner, while Cane and Todd clean up around the rucks. Personally though, I like the idea of having one more (effective!) big body there early and finishing with Todd, who has easily overtaken Savea as the bench option right now.



  • Sam C, Sam W and Reiko



  • the Sams and SBW



  • @taniwharugby said in MOTM v Wales:

    the Sams and SBW

    Prize for getting it right goes to TR!

    Special mention for the wingers. But the Sams for their massive workload and Dubs was awesome in midfield. As busy as I've seen him. Organising, hitting up, tackling, drawing defenders.



  • @salacious-crumb said in MOTM v Wales:

    @tim

    Same.

    Same



  • SBW was good but the wingers were exceptional.
    Todd in top 5 methinks. Sam W showed his class at key moments and was a great workhorse as he always is. Underrated AB.



  • @snowy said in MOTM v Wales:

    @chimoaus said in MOTM v Wales:

    Really thinking we should play a Todd/Cane combo with Todd focusing on turnovers with Cane just dominating the tackle area.

    If the selectors don't want Jerome anymore it is a viable option. Cane actually operates like a 6 to me and Todd is pretty good over the ball. It would be an experiment but might be worth a try.

    Focusing on turnovers from one player doesnt seem to be one of their priorities ... well it hasnt since Richie was that guy in his early years ,

    They seem to prefer 3 guys that win the contact area , and winning turnovers to be a collective thing ,

    But they might have a rethink with what is available



  • One issue about going for turnovers is that it usually comes at a cost in penalties when you get it wrong. We were vulnerable to teams playing negatively, but kicking those penalties.

    Now the strategy is to make teams attack us if they want to win. We then have a game of movement, which we prefer.

    Wales attacked for long periods on the weekend and we didn't give them soft three pointers -- they had to earn any penalties. It's been years, since anyone strangled us the way France did in the missing RWC.



  • Wait, SBW had a good game? Seriously?

    I thought it was his worst of the year. All he did in the first half was drop the ball, throw shit passes, and make a bad rwad for their first try. Oh snd gave away the penalty for their first 3 pointer. I'm astounded.



  • The level Cane is playing at is seriously not far below McCaw at the moment. He has been massively influential in every test this year. Dominant tackle after dominant tackle, he's an absolute fucking warrior.



  • Also, Naholo gets some flak on here but he is an absolute class finisher. That's the sort of finishing that has set us apart from NH teams this year, and his two tries were both not easy and bloody critical.



  • @mariner4life said in MOTM v Wales:

    Oh snd gave away the penalty for their first 3 pointer. I'm astounded.

    You'll find that was a prop.



  • @antipodean Nope, that was definitely SBW. The Welsh guy did everything - including slapping his lower back/butt - to attract the ref's attention to him entering the ruck from the side.

    Edited: Still think it was really marginal. The Welsh player basically moved SBW more to side and then starting milking the penalty.

    Hames gave away the second penalty though.



  • Whitelock, Taylor, Crotty

    Cane and Ioane were okay.



  • Cane, ALB & Ioane



  • Ioane had a great tour. Power, pace, was very involved



  • @mariner4life said in MOTM v Wales:

    Wait, SBW had a good game? Seriously?

    Yes, seriously.



  • @stargazer said in MOTM v Wales:

    @antipodean Nope, that was definitely SBW. The Welsh guy did everything - including slapping his lower back/butt - to attract the ref's attention to him entering the ruck from the side.

    Edited: Still think it was really marginal. The Welsh player basically moved SBW more to side and then starting milking the penalty.

    Hames gave away the second penalty though.

    Correct. I called it wrongly as Laulala at the time but on second viewing it was SBW. My main point was the irony of AWJ being in between the AB’s hindmost foot and the tryline, on his knees, when he was slapping Sonny’s butt. Blame SBW if you want but it must be hard not to join a ruck from the side when there’s a 2m lump parked in the way



  • @jc said in MOTM v Wales:

    @stargazer said in MOTM v Wales:

    @antipodean Nope, that was definitely SBW. The Welsh guy did everything - including slapping his lower back/butt - to attract the ref's attention to him entering the ruck from the side.

    Edited: Still think it was really marginal. The Welsh player basically moved SBW more to side and then starting milking the penalty.

    Hames gave away the second penalty though.

    Correct. I called it wrongly as Laulala at the time but on second viewing it was SBW. My main point was the irony of AWJ being in between the AB’s hindmost foot and the tryline, on his knees, when he was slapping Sonny’s butt. Blame SBW if you want but it must be hard not to join a ruck from the side when there’s a 2m lump parked in the way

    Watching I thought it was SBW but Barnes said "12 OK 3 was sealing ball off with his legs Penalty Wales"

    The 2 Sams and Rieko.

    Not going to discount Whitelock because of the card. It looked OK to me at the time although Barnes did explain penalty well but I figured Cane could easily have been carded as well and no way could you possibly discount him as one of the top 3 so following that (twisted) logic....

    Ioane scored two, created the bust that led to Naholo's first, was looking for work. What more could he do?



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  • For me Ioane/Cane/Todd. Whitelock (S)'s YC means he misses out narrowly. UK Telegraph picked Nugget.



  • Both wingers, all where good tries that took some effort to score and Cane, was a machine.



  • So, when is the TSF team named?



  • @dk when you go back and tally up all the results 🙂



  • @taniwharugby said in MOTM v Wales:

    @dk when you go back and tally up all the results 🙂

    If you rely on me to do the tally up, then I'm naming myself in every position



  • @dk I'm expecting to see @ACT-Crusader named at no8 🙂



  • Pinched this from reddit:
    Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks)



  • Here's another cool one from reddit... Todd's goal line defense:


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