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    • No Quarter
      No Quarter @Chris B. last edited by Duluth

      @chris-b said in All time Blues XV:

      @salacious-crumb said in All time Blues XV:

      @act-crusader said in All time Blues XV:

      Spencer full stop. No other 10 in Blues history comes close. Mertz was better though....

      Oh, really?

      #TwistsTheKnife

      I reckon Tana needs two or three more years - he's definitely getting there! 🙂

      Speaking of Tana, that's a good segway into an all time Canes backline. Dunno if it's worth making a new all time Canes XV thread as who knows what the pack would look like. Wouldn't matter though with:

      TJP
      Beauden
      Lomu
      Nonu
      C Smith
      Umaga
      Cullen

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      • Bovidae
        Bovidae last edited by

        The Canes have always had an all-star backline. It was their forward pack, and in particular the tight five, that was their weakness.

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          Virgil @No Quarter last edited by

          @no-quarter said in All time Blues XV:

          @chris-b said in All time Blues XV:

          @salacious-crumb said in All time Blues XV:

          @act-crusader said in All time Blues XV:

          Spencer full stop. No other 10 in Blues history comes close. Mertz was better though....

          Oh, really?

          #TwistsTheKnife

          I reckon Tana needs two or three more years - he's definitely getting there! 🙂

          Speaking of Tana, that's a good segway into an all time Canes backline. Dunno if it's worth making a new all time Canes XV thread as who knows what the pack would look like. Wouldn't matter though with:

          TJP
          Beauden
          Lomu
          Nonu
          C Smith
          Umaga
          Cullen

          Or would you lean more towards players who actually contributed to a successful era where the made 2 finals in a row including a break through first win?
          Guys like Aso and Laumape?

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          • Stargazer
            Stargazer @No Quarter last edited by

            @no-quarter I miss Cory Jane ...

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            • taniwharugby
              taniwharugby @Virgil last edited by taniwharugby

              @virgil meh, Cully, Lomu & BB running around in the same backline....directed and unleashed by Conrad...with Nonu & Umaga threats as well

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              • Nepia
                Nepia @Virgil last edited by

                @virgil said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                @no-quarter said in All time Blues XV:

                @chris-b said in All time Blues XV:

                @salacious-crumb said in All time Blues XV:

                @act-crusader said in All time Blues XV:

                Spencer full stop. No other 10 in Blues history comes close. Mertz was better though....

                Oh, really?

                #TwistsTheKnife

                I reckon Tana needs two or three more years - he's definitely getting there! 🙂

                Speaking of Tana, that's a good segway into an all time Canes backline. Dunno if it's worth making a new all time Canes XV thread as who knows what the pack would look like. Wouldn't matter though with:

                TJP
                Beauden
                Lomu
                Nonu
                C Smith
                Umaga
                Cullen

                Or would you lean more towards players who actually contributed to a successful era where the made 2 finals in a row including a break through first win?
                Guys like Aso and Laumape?

                Isn't the idea to pick the best team from available players not just the players who were fortunate enough to be in the team when they finally got over the line. Nonu and Umaga/Jane/Lomu are all better players than Laumape and Aso.

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                  Virgil last edited by

                  Agree with @taniwharugby and @Nepia
                  Just thought I’d throw that thought out there, as superb as those guys were they never won anything.
                  Though as mentioned it was more due to not having a decent pack and world class 10

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                  • No Quarter
                    No Quarter @Stargazer last edited by

                    @stargazer said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                    @no-quarter I miss Cory Jane ...

                    I knew there was a right wing I was forgetting! Still think Umaga gets in ahead though, he was unstoppable back in the early days at 14 linking with Cully.

                    Anyone want to have a stab at the pack? Coles, JC and Rodders have to be there. Vanisi at 7? He was all class.

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                    • nzzp
                      nzzp @Stargazer last edited by

                      @stargazer said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                      @no-quarter I miss Cory Jane ...

                      Was re-watching his 2009 debut test against Australia while grinding out some exercise at the weekend. He was awesome - small, but that fend of his is a thing of beauty. Amazing in the air, and maximised his talent. Hell of a decent bloke by all accounts.

                      I too miss Cory Jane

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                      • canefan
                        canefan @No Quarter last edited by

                        @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                        @stargazer said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                        @no-quarter I miss Cory Jane ...

                        I knew there was a right wing I was forgetting! Still think Umaga gets in ahead though, he was unstoppable back in the early days at 14 linking with Cully.

                        Anyone want to have a stab at the pack? Coles, JC and Rodders have to be there. Vanisi at 7? He was all class.

                        Masoe was also excellent, and an AB

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                        • Nepia
                          Nepia last edited by

                          I also don't think TJ is a lock at 9 - I'd take Piri, although Piri is a great sub as he reads the game so well so might be a plan to start him on the bench.

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                          • canefan
                            canefan last edited by

                            Schwalger
                            Tialata
                            Coles
                            Eaton
                            Waller
                            Masoe
                            Rodders
                            JC

                            The props and locks were always our weakness. We had good hookers (Seal killer and Hewitt miss out) and loosies

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                            • taniwharugby
                              taniwharugby @canefan last edited by

                              @canefan no room for Bull?

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                              • Bovidae
                                Bovidae last edited by

                                Thrush over Waller?

                                No mention of Vito or Tiatia amongst the loosies either.

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                                • Nepia
                                  Nepia last edited by

                                  Surely Ben Franks ahead of Schwalger, if not going with Bull Allen? (Got to try and get one kind of Hawkes Bay player in there 😉 ).

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                                  • taniwharugby
                                    taniwharugby @Nepia last edited by

                                    @nepia Cully was that 'kind of' HB player too....

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                                    • Nepia
                                      Nepia @taniwharugby last edited by

                                      @taniwharugby said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                      @nepia Cully was that 'kind of' HB player too....

                                      He never played for HB (Vikings aren't the Bay you son of a bitch), Franks would fly in on a weekend and play 80 minutes before flying back to Christchurch.

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                                      • pukunui
                                        pukunui @Virgil last edited by

                                        @virgil said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                        @no-quarter said in All time Blues XV:

                                        @chris-b said in All time Blues XV:

                                        @salacious-crumb said in All time Blues XV:

                                        @act-crusader said in All time Blues XV:

                                        Spencer full stop. No other 10 in Blues history comes close. Mertz was better though....

                                        Oh, really?

                                        #TwistsTheKnife

                                        I reckon Tana needs two or three more years - he's definitely getting there! 🙂

                                        Speaking of Tana, that's a good segway into an all time Canes backline. Dunno if it's worth making a new all time Canes XV thread as who knows what the pack would look like. Wouldn't matter though with:

                                        TJP
                                        Beauden
                                        Lomu
                                        Nonu
                                        C Smith
                                        Umaga
                                        Cullen

                                        Or would you lean more towards players who actually contributed to a successful era where the made 2 finals in a row including a break through first win?
                                        Guys like Aso and Laumape?

                                        TJP, BB, Smith and Nonu were there for the first of those finals. Nonu and Smith would have to go close to forming an all time rugby XV midfield so would be a lock for the canes.

                                        The props and locks are definitely where the quality of this team drops off a cliff.

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                                        • canefan
                                          canefan @taniwharugby last edited by

                                          @taniwharugby said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                          @canefan no room for Bull?

                                          He'd be in a tussle with Norm for the 3rd hooker spot

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                                          • canefan
                                            canefan @Bovidae last edited by

                                            @bovidae said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                            Thrush over Waller?

                                            No mention of Vito or Tiatia amongst the loosies either.

                                            Thrush could make a case, as for Vito and Filo, I'd have them both with Filo on the bench and Vito bracketed with Masoe.

                                            I didn't have time to make the list complete, some of us are trying to work!!! 😉

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                                            • Duluth
                                              Duluth last edited by

                                              I don't think anyone has mentioned Gordon Slater? He seemed like a consistently good prop even when the rest of the pack wasn't going well

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                                              • MN5
                                                MN5 @Duluth last edited by

                                                @duluth said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                I don't think anyone has mentioned Gordon Slater? He seemed like a consistently good prop even when the rest of the pack wasn't going well

                                                I can't think of a less dynamic player with ball in hand.

                                                Based on that logic he must have been a hell of a scrummager.

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                                                • Stockcar86
                                                  Stockcar86 @Bovidae last edited by Stockcar86

                                                  @bovidae said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                  Thrush over Waller?

                                                  At best you got 70 minutes out of Waller as he was always yellow carded, and gave away more penalties than anyone else. Definately Thrush

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                                                  • Magpie_in_aus
                                                    Magpie_in_aus @MN5 last edited by

                                                    @mn5 said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                    @duluth said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                    I don't think anyone has mentioned Gordon Slater? He seemed like a consistently good prop even when the rest of the pack wasn't going well

                                                    I can't think of a less dynamic player with ball in hand.

                                                    Based on that logic he must have been a hell of a scrummager.

                                                    Based on that logic Jamie Macintosh must have been the worlds best scrummager.

                                                    Tito just for the tokenism would be worth a look. Or another All Black lock Bryn Evans....(I will fight to get some HB players in there)

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                                                    • No Quarter
                                                      No Quarter last edited by

                                                      Could chuck Bill Cavubati on the bench for some impact late in the game. Holds the record for the heaviest international player weighing in at 165kgs for Fiji.

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                                                      • No Quarter
                                                        No Quarter @Nepia last edited by

                                                        @nepia said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                        I also don't think TJ is a lock at 9 - I'd take Piri, although Piri is a great sub as he reads the game so well so might be a plan to start him on the bench.

                                                        That's a fair point. Always felt he played his best footy for the ABs whereas TJP does well in the open style of SR. Tough call...

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                                                        • Stargazer
                                                          Stargazer @Magpie_in_aus last edited by

                                                          @magpie_in_aus I'll add Karl Lowe.

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                                                          • No Quarter
                                                            No Quarter last edited by

                                                            So we're looking at:

                                                            Ben Franks
                                                            Dane Coles
                                                            Neemia Tialata
                                                            Jason Eaton
                                                            Jeremy Thrush
                                                            Jerry Collins
                                                            Chris Masoe
                                                            Rodney So'oialo
                                                            TJ Perenara / Piri Weepu
                                                            Beauden Barrett
                                                            Jonah Lomu
                                                            Ma'a Nonu
                                                            Conrad Smith
                                                            Tana Umaga / Cory Jane
                                                            Christian Cullen

                                                            That pack should be able to secure at least 20% possession, which is about all that backline would need to run up 50+ points.

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                                                            • Nepia
                                                              Nepia @No Quarter last edited by Nepia

                                                              @no-quarter That pack actually looks decent TBH, decent scrummaging front row, two hard working locks, a bruising loosie trio and add the Superstar backs, this team could do well in the All time XV Super comp.

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                                                              • canefan
                                                                canefan @No Quarter last edited by

                                                                @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                                So we're looking at:

                                                                Ben Franks
                                                                Dane Coles
                                                                Neemia Tialata
                                                                Jason Eaton
                                                                Jeremy Thrush
                                                                Jerry Collins
                                                                Chris Masoe
                                                                Rodney So'oialo
                                                                TJ Perenara / Piri Weepu
                                                                Beauden Barrett
                                                                Jonah Lomu
                                                                Ma'a Nonu
                                                                Conrad Smith
                                                                Tana Umaga / Cory Jane
                                                                Christian Cullen

                                                                That pack should be able to secure at least 20% possession, which is about all that backline would need to run up 50+ points.

                                                                The JC Rodders Masoe era Canes were an excellent team. The one thing it really missed was a quality 10. I reckon we would have stood a strong chance of a title if we'd had one of the top 3 10's in NZ instead of Jimmy Gopperth (with due respect)

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                                                                • Nepia
                                                                  Nepia @canefan last edited by

                                                                  @canefan I don't think you need the due respect, the Canes were always behind the 8 ball with Gopperth running the show (and Holwell TBF ... ducks for cover to avoid flying taniwha's). If only a Cruden or a Barrett had arrived earlier.

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                                                                  • No Quarter
                                                                    No Quarter last edited by No Quarter

                                                                    @Nepia yeah the pack is better than I thought it would be, though I doubt it would compete with an All Black laden Crusaders XV. It's the drop off in class from Beauden to our next best 10 that is massive if you exclude Cruds who played his best footy for the Chiefs.

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                                                                    • taniwharugby
                                                                      taniwharugby @Nepia last edited by

                                                                      @nepia Dooley was a no frills reliable 10, did his core roles well, but his highlight reel wouldn't really stack up even when put against guys like Gopperth, but I know which I'd prefer in my team.

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                                                                      • canefan
                                                                        canefan @taniwharugby last edited by canefan

                                                                        @taniwharugby said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                                        @nepia Dooley was a no frills reliable 10, did his core roles well, but his highlight reel wouldn't really stack up even when put against guys like Gopperth, but I know which I'd prefer in my team.

                                                                        I always liked Holwell. He was great at kick regathers, uncanny timing

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                                                                        • Nepia
                                                                          Nepia @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                                          @taniwharugby I wasn't rating Gopperth over him ....

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                                                                          • taniwharugby
                                                                            taniwharugby @Nepia last edited by

                                                                            @nepia I know, just saying that I felt Gopperth was more a highlight reel player, so I'd take Holwell who was more consistent, and a strong defender.

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                                                                            • No Quarter
                                                                              No Quarter last edited by

                                                                              I miss watching Cully play in his prime. Just the shot of adrenaline you got every time he touched the ball, I'd never pick any fullback in the world over him.

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                                                                              • canefan
                                                                                canefan @No Quarter last edited by

                                                                                @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                                                I miss watching Cully play in his prime. Just the shot of adrenaline you got every time he touched the ball, I'd never pick any fullback in the world over him.

                                                                                He could step off either foot without slowing down. A real physical freak

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                                                                                  cgrant @No Quarter last edited by

                                                                                  @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                                                  Could chuck Bill Cavubati on the bench for some impact late in the game. Holds the record for the heaviest international player weighing in at 165kgs for Fiji.

                                                                                  Yes, he was fun to watch. He and Bull Allen on the bench against a tiring team could be destructive !

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                                                                                  • Rancid Schnitzel
                                                                                    Rancid Schnitzel @No Quarter last edited by

                                                                                    @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

                                                                                    I miss watching Cully play in his prime. Just the shot of adrenaline you got every time he touched the ball, I'd never pick any fullback in the world over him.

                                                                                    Man that gave me wood. My favourite ever player by a country mile... until Beauden showed up. How awesome would those two have been together?

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