March for Men Australia
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Hi all,
As anyone who browses the politics forums are aware I'm starting to get a little active on scene in Melbourne, and as anyone who knows me can attest I'm pretty passionate on the field of men's issues and don't have a lot of time for groups that go out of their way to demonise men or shut down the few support avenues for men that are currently out there.
A young political commentator here in Melbourne 'Sydney Watson' has made a call for a 'March for Men' in response to a number of recent attacks on men and boys in Australian media. Me and a few friends have been asked to assist.
The idea of the march is to remind the men in our lives that their issues matter too and that masculinity is not something to be ashamed of. Demonising a whole gender does nothing for society and we need to recognise that both men and women face unique challenges and we are better dealing with these issues standing together.
I know this is Australian based and doesn't impact many of you but as decent blokes yourselves I think most would agree that this message is a very important one for society as a whole and any support we can get either through liking our page, sharing the event through social media, helping support financially through our go-fund-me or even if you are in the area and would like to attend or volunteer would be greatly appreciated.
We have 5 speakers organised to speak on Men's issues for the rally and have also have proudly partnered with the 600,000 strong online Men's support group 'Blokes Advice' (If you are not a member, or want to know more about them please PM me).
Cheers,
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March For Men Australia
Causes event in Melbourne, VIC, Australia by Sydney Watson on Saturday, August 25 2018 with 2.5K people interested and 717 people going. 146 posts in the discussion.
Sydney's promotional video:
Some context on the attacks in the media:
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Good on you.
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@rembrandt yeah good one mate.
Shine some light on the variables of gender equality
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And naturally our local domestic terrorist group CARF (Antifa) have organised a counter-protest..because as we all know taking time to acknowledge mens issues is tantamount to mysogyny, racism and nazism.
Now we also have to consider what we do if Victoria police bill us for keeping us safe from the masked thugs.
Sheer fucken insanity in these parts.
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Good luck with it feller. Hope it goes well and I'd be interested to hear about it all.
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@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
Now we also have to consider what we do if Victoria police bill us for keeping us safe from the masked thugs.
Cancel the event and constitute a counter-counter-protest.
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I’ll attend if you rename it “They March” 😡
Good luck with it @Rembrandt. I am interstate during that time or else would’ve come down to hear the speakers.
You should get a couple media outlets on board to cover the event. Skynews would be a good starting point.
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@act-crusader It's tough with the media here. Sky News are probably the best of the lot as Sydney already has a weekly slot with them but others like the ABC and channel 10 are more on board with Antifa sadly.
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@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
And naturally our local domestic terrorist group CARF (Antifa) have organised a counter-protest..because as we all know taking time to acknowledge mens issues is tantamount to mysogyny, racism and nazism.
Now we also have to consider what we do if Victoria police bill us for keeping us safe from the masked thugs.
Sheer fucken insanity in these parts.
You must be doing something right if you've enraged those idiots.
Good luck with this mate, it's a terrific thing you're doing.
I would reiterate the praise for the Blokes Advice group. It helped me out big time and I can't speak highly enough of it.
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If anyone wants to share the poster on social media go nuts!
If this goes well we are going to look to expand to other cities and try and make it an annual event.
T-shirts to raise money for 'Dads in Distress' go on sale tomorrow.
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Do you know Independent man? He's a good guy who I know reasonably well. It's been fun to see him do so well since going home.
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@gt12 Ha yes actually I'm one of his (minor) patrons. Top bloke, glad he is back making videos. Actually been rewatching a few this week in prep for our volunteers handing out flyers for the event, being Melbourne we'll be anticipating some feminist backlash so going to school our volunteers on how to beat the common ridiculous arguments that might get thrown at them.
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I have an interesting insight into this. I'm currently seeing a woman who moved with her then husband to NSW and had a daughter down there. They broke up and she wanted to move back to Brisbane (parents and friends all here). Fair enough, that's understandable. But she went to court and the court ruled that she could take her daughter and move back. I don't know all the details but that seems incredibly unfair. He's not being denied access or anything. He gets holidays and can travel up any time. But I just find it astonishing that the court can rule that one parent can just up and move like that. Would a father be able to do that? I doubt it.
Will try to suss out the details.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in March for Men Australia:
I have an interesting insight into this. I'm currently seeing a woman who moved with her then husband to NSW and had a daughter down there. They broke up and she wanted to move back to Brisbane (parents and friends all here). Fair enough, that's understandable. But she went to court and the court ruled that she could take her daughter and move back. I don't know all the details but that seems incredibly unfair. He's not being denied access or anything. He gets holidays and can travel up any time. But I just find it astonishing that the court can rule that one parent can just up and move like that. Would a father be able to do that? I doubt it.
Will try to suss out the details.
That is messed up, though he may have just agreed to it as a favour to her. I have heard of an instance recently where a woman was prevented from moving to Perth from Brisbane with her new partner as that would take the children more than 100kms away from the father. As you've no doubt seen in some of those BA posts there are some pretty horrible ways and means that a woman can guarantee custody decisions.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in March for Men Australia:
I have an interesting insight into this. I'm currently seeing a woman who moved with her then husband to NSW and had a daughter down there. They broke up and she wanted to move back to Brisbane (parents and friends all here). Fair enough, that's understandable. But she went to court and the court ruled that she could take her daughter and move back. I don't know all the details but that seems incredibly unfair. He's not being denied access or anything. He gets holidays and can travel up any time. But I just find it astonishing that the court can rule that one parent can just up and move like that. Would a father be able to do that? I doubt it.
Will try to suss out the details.
My brother in law had this a few years ago. Split with his partner and she was originally from East Coast US. She wanted to go back to USA, and he wanted to stay in HK with his new partner and their child. Anyway, it was all set to to go court, and they both sat down and realized that the money spent on the case would be better off spent on the child, and they needed to come to an agreement which worked best for both.
Both sides were told by their lawyers that they were basically guaranteed wins. Kinda screwed up.
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@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
@rancid-schnitzel said in March for Men Australia:
I have an interesting insight into this. I'm currently seeing a woman who moved with her then husband to NSW and had a daughter down there. They broke up and she wanted to move back to Brisbane (parents and friends all here). Fair enough, that's understandable. But she went to court and the court ruled that she could take her daughter and move back. I don't know all the details but that seems incredibly unfair. He's not being denied access or anything. He gets holidays and can travel up any time. But I just find it astonishing that the court can rule that one parent can just up and move like that. Would a father be able to do that? I doubt it.
Will try to suss out the details.
That is messed up, though he may have just agreed to it as a favour to her. I have heard of an instance recently where a woman was prevented from moving to Perth from Brisbane with her new partner as that would take the children more than 100kms away from the father. As you've no doubt seen in some of those BA posts there are some pretty horrible ways and means that a woman can guarantee custody decisions.
As I said I'm not sure exactly what occurred but I do know she spent alot of money on lawyers.
I totally get her wanting to move, but I find it strange that the court would say it was ok. The daughter was born in NSW and went to school/had all her friends there. I hope it ended up being an agreement rather than a court ruling.
Yeah some of those BA examples are horrifying. It's a scandal that this kind of thing is swept under the rug or ignored.
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Manage not to get arrested @Rembrandt ?
No mention of who was arrested, implication that they may have been from the counter marchers.
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@booboo given their ages if say that's more than likely
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Firstly I must say Australian mainstream media is an absolute cancer. I see these reporters at these events and they have zero interest in reporting what is going on, everything has to be some sort of narrative. I guess they just don't have souls, any journo's on here care to talk me through how they sleep at night?
Despite the misreporting however the event was a massive success.
We had in excess of 500 people attend with thankfully minimal representation of the ''alt-right' crowd,these groups were advised they would not be welcome..glad they didn't show because a skinny 5'8" bloke in a high vis like myself might have struggled to kick out 6'4" steroid abusers.
The ferals had their counter protest of maybe 100-150, bravely protesting against nazism, facism, the kkk, homophobia, rape, transphobia, mysogyny, immigration control, pollution..eating meat, drinking milk (excluding soy). Just kinda sad for them that we weren't actually rallying for any of those ideals.
Some protesters managed to sneak in and bravely pulled out a megaphone with a siren on it in order to drown out one of our speakers talking about her experience living in an domestic violence shelter with her 3 children. They were evicted with a bit of a scuffle.
There was also another siren in a chilly bin that went off, again bravely drowning out a young man speaking about his experience of being sexually abused and his multiple suicide attempts.
Any neutral walking past would have immediately seen who the good guys were and who the deranged lunatics were but thankfully aussie mainstream media can do the thinking for the folk at home by labelling it an 'Anti-feminist march' (SBS) or the MC as 'Extreme right campaigner' (Channel 9)
Anyway a bit of a rant but it was really successful, huge turnout had some amazing conversations with the public. So many don't know that 40 Australian men commit suicide every week and when I explained these stats to most folk they fully understood what we were about and couldn't believe the protesters. Had some chats with Mens rights campaigners nearly in tears finally seeing public support for something they have been fighting and being demonised for for nearly 20 years.
The best news however of the whole day was a call from 'Dads In Distress' the charity we were raising money for. They had been inundated with calls from men who had been watching the march live on youtube and for the first time felt some hope in their lives about the situations they were in. Many were suicidal and reaching out for the first time because of what we were doing.
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@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
Firstly I must say Australian mainstream media is an absolute cancer. I see these reporters at these events and they have zero interest in reporting what is going on, everything has to be some sort of narrative. I guess they just don't have souls, any journo's on here care to talk me through how they sleep at night?
Despite the misreporting however the event was a massive success.
We had in excess of 500 people attend with thankfully minimal representation of the ''alt-right' crowd,these groups were advised they would not be welcome..glad they didn't show because a skinny 5'8" bloke in a high vis like myself might have struggled to kick out 6'4" steroid abusers.
The ferals had their counter protest of maybe 100-150, bravely protesting against nazism, facism, the kkk, homophobia, rape, transphobia, mysogyny, immigration control, pollution..eating meat, drinking milk (excluding soy). Just kinda sad for them that we weren't actually rallying for any of those ideals.
Some protesters managed to sneak in and bravely pulled out a megaphone with a siren on it in order to drown out one of our speakers talking about her experience living in an domestic violence shelter with her 3 children. They were evicted with a bit of a scuffle.
There was also another siren in a chilly bin that went off, again bravely drowning out a young man speaking about his experience of being sexually abused and his multiple suicide attempts.
Any neutral walking past would have immediately seen who the good guys were and who the deranged lunatics were but thankfully aussie mainstream media can do the thinking for the folk at home by labelling it an 'Anti-feminist march' (SBS) or the MC as 'Extreme right campaigner' (Channel 9)
Anyway a bit of a rant but it was really successful, huge turnout had some amazing conversations with the public. So many don't know that 40 Australian men commit suicide every week and when I explained these stats to most folk they fully understood what we were about and couldn't believe the protesters. Had some chats with Mens rights campaigners nearly in tears finally seeing public support for something they have been fighting and being demonised for for nearly 20 years.
The best news however of the whole day was a call from 'Dads In Distress' the charity we were raising money for. They had been inundated with calls from men who had been watching the march live on youtube and for the first time felt some hope in their lives about the situations they were in. Many were suicidal and reaching out for the first time because of what we were doing.
Good on you mate, very impressive getting off your arse and doing something about these issues.
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@kirwan said in March for Men Australia:
@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
Firstly I must say Australian mainstream media is an absolute cancer. I see these reporters at these events and they have zero interest in reporting what is going on, everything has to be some sort of narrative. I guess they just don't have souls, any journo's on here care to talk me through how they sleep at night?
Despite the misreporting however the event was a massive success.
We had in excess of 500 people attend with thankfully minimal representation of the ''alt-right' crowd,these groups were advised they would not be welcome..glad they didn't show because a skinny 5'8" bloke in a high vis like myself might have struggled to kick out 6'4" steroid abusers.
The ferals had their counter protest of maybe 100-150, bravely protesting against nazism, facism, the kkk, homophobia, rape, transphobia, mysogyny, immigration control, pollution..eating meat, drinking milk (excluding soy). Just kinda sad for them that we weren't actually rallying for any of those ideals.
Some protesters managed to sneak in and bravely pulled out a megaphone with a siren on it in order to drown out one of our speakers talking about her experience living in an domestic violence shelter with her 3 children. They were evicted with a bit of a scuffle.
There was also another siren in a chilly bin that went off, again bravely drowning out a young man speaking about his experience of being sexually abused and his multiple suicide attempts.
Any neutral walking past would have immediately seen who the good guys were and who the deranged lunatics were but thankfully aussie mainstream media can do the thinking for the folk at home by labelling it an 'Anti-feminist march' (SBS) or the MC as 'Extreme right campaigner' (Channel 9)
Anyway a bit of a rant but it was really successful, huge turnout had some amazing conversations with the public. So many don't know that 40 Australian men commit suicide every week and when I explained these stats to most folk they fully understood what we were about and couldn't believe the protesters. Had some chats with Mens rights campaigners nearly in tears finally seeing public support for something they have been fighting and being demonised for for nearly 20 years.
The best news however of the whole day was a call from 'Dads In Distress' the charity we were raising money for. They had been inundated with calls from men who had been watching the march live on youtube and for the first time felt some hope in their lives about the situations they were in. Many were suicidal and reaching out for the first time because of what we were doing.
Good on you mate, very impressive getting off your arse and doing something about these issues.
Hear hear!
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@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
Firstly I must say Australian mainstream media is an absolute cancer. I see these reporters at these events and they have zero interest in reporting what is going on, everything has to be some sort of narrative. I guess they just don't have souls, any journo's on here care to talk me through how they sleep at night?
Despite the misreporting however the event was a massive success.
We had in excess of 500 people attend with thankfully minimal representation of the ''alt-right' crowd,these groups were advised they would not be welcome..glad they didn't show because a skinny 5'8" bloke in a high vis like myself might have struggled to kick out 6'4" steroid abusers.
The ferals had their counter protest of maybe 100-150, bravely protesting against nazism, facism, the kkk, homophobia, rape, transphobia, mysogyny, immigration control, pollution..eating meat, drinking milk (excluding soy). Just kinda sad for them that we weren't actually rallying for any of those ideals.
Some protesters managed to sneak in and bravely pulled out a megaphone with a siren on it in order to drown out one of our speakers talking about her experience living in an domestic violence shelter with her 3 children. They were evicted with a bit of a scuffle.
There was also another siren in a chilly bin that went off, again bravely drowning out a young man speaking about his experience of being sexually abused and his multiple suicide attempts.
Any neutral walking past would have immediately seen who the good guys were and who the deranged lunatics were but thankfully aussie mainstream media can do the thinking for the folk at home by labelling it an 'Anti-feminist march' (SBS) or the MC as 'Extreme right campaigner' (Channel 9)
Anyway a bit of a rant but it was really successful, huge turnout had some amazing conversations with the public. So many don't know that 40 Australian men commit suicide every week and when I explained these stats to most folk they fully understood what we were about and couldn't believe the protesters. Had some chats with Mens rights campaigners nearly in tears finally seeing public support for something they have been fighting and being demonised for for nearly 20 years.
The best news however of the whole day was a call from 'Dads In Distress' the charity we were raising money for. They had been inundated with calls from men who had been watching the march live on youtube and for the first time felt some hope in their lives about the situations they were in. Many were suicidal and reaching out for the first time because of what we were doing.
Fantastic work mate! The way the media twist and distort this is absolutely shameful. How hard is it to just do a bit of research or actually talk to the people on the ground. BA has really opened up my eyes to this. So many men are hurting and don't feel they are being heard. Why does this immediately have to be made out to be an anti-woman or far right thing?
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Because the extreme left want paint men, especially white me, as the enemy and the reason for everything “bad”.
Just looking at those suicide stats, it makes me wonder how bad they are going to be in ten years when the lefts idealogy of today affects the next generation.
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You guys don't understand... the media is not biased.
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The hit pieces keep coming...
Here is the Guardian
'Stop the name-calling!': anger unites Melbourne's March for Men protesters
Activists rail against feminism, the ‘Victorian socialist state’, injustice for fathers and anti-fascist counter-protesters
They have no qualms about completely fabricating things.
Even just the blurb under the picture:
The more than 100 protesters at the March for Men march in Melbourne were all but overwhelmed by counterprotesters and police presence. Photograph: Avi Yemini
To start there were at least 500. The 150 max counterprotesters did everything they could but did no overwhelm us and the photograph is of my mate Andrew..not Avi.
The article does not improve from there.
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@rembrandt That's a bit of a hatchet job, although it's the Guardian, so not unexpected. At least they got a guy to do it, so they're not unaware of irony.
That said, this bit does highlight the difficulty in getting sufficient numbers to congregate and give voice to specific matters of concern:
Yet, despite that shared hostility to feminism, it’s hard to see the conflicting sentiments expressed at the rally cohering into any kind of stability.
The Proud Boys – with their “The West is Best” banners and fight club enthusiasm for violence – possess little in common with, say, musician Jarryd Chircop, who shakily told the crowd about his experience of abuse.
The March for Men showed that some men, at least, have got considerable amounts of amorphous anger – but whether that’s a foundation from which a new right might emerge remains to be seen.
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@antipodean I've been looking into this 'journalist' he's a known Socialist and supporter of Antifa. He also looks like he was dropped on his head as a baby so that might excuse the inability to count.
So basically completely reflective of the staff and readers of The Guardian.
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@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
So basically completely reflective of the staff and readers of The Guardian.
Write for your audience.
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@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
The hit pieces keep coming...
Here is the Guardian
Activists rail against feminism, the ‘Victorian socialist state’, injustice for fathers and anti-fascist counter-protesters
They have no qualms about completely fabricating things.
Even just the blurb under the picture:
The more than 100 protesters at the March for Men march in Melbourne were all but overwhelmed by counterprotesters and police presence. Photograph: Avi Yemini
the photograph is of my mate Andrew..not Avi.
Very minor thing, but "Photograph: Avi Yemini" is a photo credit, outlining who the photo belongs to ie. who took it.
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@smudge Cheers for that, useful to know. Avi didn't take it but I can forgive a journalist who can't count into triple figures for assuming all photography from within the march belongs to the mc.
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Do they charge rape victims for finding their rapists?
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Silly. I doubt that the Victoria police want the organizers to do their own security; may end up with gangs or ALT right groups moving in to such services. Just make a few arrests of the silly protestors, you stupid muppets.
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@gt12 said in March for Men Australia:
Silly. I doubt that the Victoria police want the organizers to do their own security; may end up with gangs or ALT right groups moving in to such services. Just make a few arrests of the silly protestors, you stupid muppets.
Interesting rabbit hole you have opened there.
So if they organise their own group of thugs to be security, and the security threaten to beat the shit out of protesters... do the protesters get sent the bill for being protected from security? -
@gt12 said in March for Men Australia:
Silly. I doubt that the Victoria police want the organizers to do their own security; may end up with gangs or ALT right groups moving in to such services. Just make a few arrests of the silly protestors, you stupid muppets.
Sadly Axiomatic did employ an alt-right group to do some of the security in Melbourne... They can't really claim ignorance either, I have it on good authority that someone with clout informed the head but they chose either to disbelieve the warning or went ahead knowinngly anyway. Not a great look from a 'christian' organisation.
The Vic police thing is so dumb. Lefties are organising an Anti Donald Trump Protest next month, basically this means that all the alt-right have to do is get a large violent group together and attack the lefties in order to get the lefties charged for having a demonstration. What a precedent to set...
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Just to give a taste of the derangement on the ground.
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Sydney's summary (approximately 132x more accurate than the press)
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@Rembrandt Awesome! Well done mate.
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So found out all the details regarding this lady friend and her moving with her daughter. I'm a bit torn to be honest.
So the story is that they lived in Brisbane together for a number of years, but he wanted to move back to his home town in northern NSW (about 4 hours from Brisbane). She moved with him and they had a daughter. They broke up when daughter was 3. She toughed it out for 2 years but was miserable in this small town. She was also the primary caregiver and had the child most of the time. She wanted to move. He didn't and threatened to take it to the courts. She offerred him large amount of money for him to visit regularly and to avoid courts. He refused.
Now the problem I have is that this was apparently pretty much a slam dunk case. As mother and primary caregiver, courts will pretty much always take their side. The lawyer for the ex obviously convinced him otherwise (obviously he'd have to motivation for doing so) and it went on for close to two years.
I can sympathise with both sides here. Very difficult situation.
Two arrested at rally for mens’ rights
