TSF Book Club



  • @dogmeat said in TSF Book Club:

    @Crucial @Tim I'm rapidly working my way through these now (up to Book 5). Sometimes Herron's lyricism comes across as Snoopy's "it was a dark and stormy night" and can be a bit jarring. I usually note this in his first chapter descriptions, then either he stops or I get used to it.

    I always took that as a deliberate style. Trying to set a banal scene then populating it with fuck-ups.

    Can't quibble with his characters though. Bloody brilliant. Plots are real page turners too.

    You learn never to get comfortable with the characters. Just as you start feeling sympathetic to them they do something really screwy.

    Is page turners going to be one of those weird sayings that live on years after their literal meaning has become redundant? Like taping a TV programme decades after tape died - although that's not the best example as recording stuff is also dated now.

    You still 'turn the page' even on an e-book IMO.

    Crucial have you read his other series?

    No, I keep meaning to though.



  • Just finished Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder , hard going all the way through. The only “light relief” in the whole thing was some Stalinist arsehole who created a panic and decided there was thousands of Polish spies operating in his area of Russia so purged people for crimes like having a vaguely Polush surname . Unfortunately the numbers of people he had killed ( around 30000 ) weren’t enough to satisfy his superior in the Soviet government who decided the reason he was holding back was that he must also be a Polish spy so he was killed too .



  • @jegga said in TSF Book Club:

    Just finished Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder , hard going all the way through. The only “light relief” in the whole thing was some Stalinist arsehole who created a panic and decided there was thousands of Polish spies operating in his area of Russia so purged people for crimes like having a vaguely Polush surname . Unfortunately the numbers of people he had killed ( around 30000 ) weren’t enough to satisfy his superior in the Soviet government who decided the reason he was holding back was that he must also be a Polish spy so he was killed too .

    great book



  • @mariner4life said in TSF Book Club:

    @jegga said in TSF Book Club:

    Just finished Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder , hard going all the way through. The only “light relief” in the whole thing was some Stalinist arsehole who created a panic and decided there was thousands of Polish spies operating in his area of Russia so purged people for crimes like having a vaguely Polush surname . Unfortunately the numbers of people he had killed ( around 30000 ) weren’t enough to satisfy his superior in the Soviet government who decided the reason he was holding back was that he must also be a Polish spy so he was killed too .

    great book

    Have you read any of Vassily Grossmans books? Thinking one of his should be next



  • @jegga said in TSF Book Club:

    Vassily Grossmans

    the name rings a bell, but a quick squiz at Wiki and i don't recognise any of the book titles



  • @Crucial said in TSF Book Club:

    I always took that as a deliberate style. Trying to set a banal scene then populating it with fuck-ups.

    It's the florid style - always a long metaphor to set the scene
    “In some parts of the world dawn arrives with rosy fingers, to smooth away the creases left by night. But on Aldersgate Street in the London Borough of Finsbury, it comes wearing safe-crackers gloves, so as not to leave prints on the windowsill’s and door-knob; it squints through keyholes, sizes up locks, and generally cases the joint ahead of the approaching day”

    He continues with this creeping dawn for over three pages. It's very different to the rest of the book(s). Almost baroque

    @Crucial said in TSF Book Club:

    You still 'turn the page' even on an e-book IMO.

    Auto-scroll 😉



  • @mariner4life said in TSF Book Club:

    @jegga said in TSF Book Club:

    Vassily Grossmans

    the name rings a bell, but a quick squiz at Wiki and i don't recognise any of the book titles

    Snyder quotes him a fair bit, I'll see how this goes https://www.audible.com/pd/Life-and-Fate-The-Complete-Series-Dramatised-Audiobook/B005VEQ9VY?qid=1581394358&sr=1-1&pf_rd_p=e81b7c27-6880-467a-b5a7-13cef5d729fe&pf_rd_r=KM47VPYRTRFAF5DENDYD&ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1



  • Has anyone ever read any Reacher books? I got given one for Xmas, and I finally ran out of other stuff to read so I picked it up. It's called Blue Moon.

    Holy shit, is it bad. The plot is ludicrous and the characters are insanely inconsistent - I think it was the swift character transition from regular society member to person capable of being part of murder and decapitation that finally got me.

    Such junk. I hope the earlier stuff was better so Child's at least partially deserves his success.



  • @voodoo They all have basically the same plot, which is a variation on the theme of Shane.



  • @voodoo said in TSF Book Club:

    Such junk. I hope the earlier stuff was better so Child's at least partially deserves his success.

    I think the earlier ones were much better.

    Had to google, but they are up to 24 books now. THe first few were pretty good - very readable, enjoyable. recently they seem to have jumped the shark though.



  • @nzzp said in TSF Book Club:

    @voodoo said in TSF Book Club:

    Such junk. I hope the earlier stuff was better so Child's at least partially deserves his success.

    I think the earlier ones were much better.

    Had to google, but they are up to 24 books now. THe first few were pretty good - very readable, enjoyable. recently they seem to have jumped the shark though.

    It's gauranteed long running series go to crap, even ones you really love. You've gotta know when it's time to leave!



  • @voodoo said in TSF Book Club:

    Such junk. I hope the earlier stuff was better so Child's at least partially deserves his success.

    I read the first five or six. Entertaining, but not Pulitzer prize winning. The problem was the same for any character series; typically formula based and increasingly more absurd. At some point you could pick up the wrong cliff notes and it wouldn't make a difference.



  • In the one I read just now, he must kill 40+ people including decapititating someone. I was expecting an all-American hero, but he's actually just a blood murderer!!!



  • He must be pretty old now considering he was in Beirut when the marine barracks was bombed.

    The first maybe 10 or so are great , diminishing returns and repetition sets in after that .



  • @voodoo Sounds like The Exterminator.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080707/



  • @Tim is that worth watching? I've not heard of it...



  • @voodoo probably not



  • @antipodean Agree first couple were OK Haven't read one since about Book 3 when it became very onvious he was recycling the same story.

    Much prefer Greg Hurwitz's Orphan Black series.



  • Book related - it appears that Neil Gaiman and family are here (and probably for a while now)



  • @Stockcar86 I love Neil Gaiman



  • just finished Attila, The Scourge of God by William Napier (book 1 of 3)

    HIstorical fiction, was pretty good.



  • @taniwharugby said in TSF Book Club:

    just finished Attila, The Scourge of God by William Napier (book 1 of 3)

    HIstorical fiction, was pretty good.

    Ta added to my list


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