Exodus 2019



  • @Stargazer said in Exodus 2019:

    @Billy-Tell Nah, that's not necessary at all. The examples of Matt Todd, Ash Dixon, Heiden Bedwell-Curtis and maybe a few others has shown (last year), that players can sign contracts with Japanese clubs for only part of the Top League season. To highlight Ash Dixon's example for those who don't know: he signed a contract with Panasonic that allowed him to play for Hawke's Bay during the regular season of the Mitre 10 Cup, but miss the finals, and play for Panasonic from mid-October to mid-December. So only for 2 months!

    So, there's nothing stopping Japanese clubs from signing All Blacks for only part of the season again, allowing them to return to NZ in time to play Super Rugby.

    Yeah nah. Japanese season is now going to overlap with super rugby.



  • @Billy-Tell So far, the overlap only exists in 2020, and anyone who follows Top League a bit knows that the Top League format changes as often as the weather. There's no way they're going to select the ABs from the Top League, as that would open the flood gates for even more players to leave NZ for Japan than is the case now. And also, the quality of rugby in Japan isn't good enough to select ABs players from.

    It all depends on what format the Top League will have after the firs half of 2020, but no doubt NZR will be following the developments and look for alternatives and other ways of keeping players in SR.



  • A few more players leaving NZ for Japan, although it's not clear whether it's only for this years Top League Cup (June - August), or for the entire Top League season after the RWC:

    Jimmy Tupou - NTT Communications Shining Ark

    Ben Funnell - Ricoh Black Rams

    Jeffery Thwaites - Kobe Steel Kobelco Steelers



  • The way things are going all overseas professional teams will be filled with kiwis thus overseas test teams will only be able to select second echelon players for internationals in which case it won't really matter if we are left with the bare 15 players of our normal All Black test level status and ability as we should be able to cream them with that. Eventually there will be no spots available in overseas teams to sign any more New Zealanders (or other foreign players for that matter) so any aspiring players seeking overseas contracts will virtually have to stay in NZ by dint of there being no spots available in overseas team's rosters available.



  • @mikey07 I don't bag players or clubs, but you've obviously watched the wrong player. Rangihuna not only had a great pass, his kicking game was good and his decision making and captaincy proved to be one of the best in the Wgtn comp. In my opinion, I'm sure Wainui and some of the other teams will be glad he's gone, cause he was threat, but as you say, each to their own opinion.



  • http://www.kobelcosteelers.com/member/index.php

    Brodie Retallick is joining Kobelco Steelers, the articles were saying it wasn't announced, but his name is on the list here.

    Also, Ataata Moeakiola is leaving and joining Kobelco.



  • @Yeetyaah When I checked last night (when I posted the names of other players who are leaving), it wasn't published yet. It must have been added today.

    This is the official announcedment (dated yesterday, but posted today): https://www.top-league.jp/2019/06/12/kobe-2019-5/



  • @Yeetyaah Also, Ataata Moeakiola is leaving and joining Kobelco.

    Are you happy about this one.He has been bagged a lot by some chiefs fans on the Fern ?



  • @Chris Yeah a bit stoked tbh. He didn't do much for me. Opens up for a local talent.



  • @Yeetyaah Yeah I wasn't that impressed in what I saw either no great loss.



  • @Chris said in Exodus 2019:

    @Yeetyaah Also, Ataata Moeakiola is leaving and joining Kobelco.

    Are you happy about this one.He has been bagged a lot by some chiefs fans on the Fern ?

    Why fill SR position with an average foreigner?

    If you must pick a foreigner get a Tyler Ardron and make it worthwhile.

    Selection criteria has to be preference for NZ qualified. I'm good with Pacific qualified within reason. Beyond that they have to be damned special.



  • @booboo I thought it was a strange selection in the first place



  • @Chris said in Exodus 2019:

    @Yeetyaah Also, Ataata Moeakiola is leaving and joining Kobelco.

    Are you happy about this one.He has been bagged a lot by some chiefs fans on the Fern ?

    He was shit and not even "PI" (I'm good with a few PI qualified like @booboo) as he was a Japanese player. Sullivan looked better than him in his minutes early in the season.



  • @Nepia A Cooper brain fart then



  • @Chris said in Exodus 2019:

    @Nepia A Cooper brain fart then

    NZR have to take some blame for allowing it to go ahead.

    All the other teams have also had foreigners that I personally don't think they should have.

    Edit: But yes, definitely a Cooper brainfart too! 🙂



  • @Higgins said in Exodus 2019:

    The way things are going all overseas professional teams will be filled with kiwis thus overseas test teams will only be able to select second echelon players for internationals in which case it won't really matter if we are left with the bare 15 players of our normal All Black test level status and ability as we should be able to cream them with that.
    Eventually there will be no spots available in overseas teams to sign any more New Zealanders (or other foreign players for that matter) so any aspiring players seeking overseas contracts will virtually have to stay in NZ by dint of there being no spots available in overseas team's rosters available.

    Don't follow the logic of the first part of this at all. European club squads are limited to fielding 2 non-European players in a match-day squad for PRO14, Premiership, and Top 14 as well as the EPCR competitions. Non-European means born in Australia or New Zealand.

    In the PRO14 (exc the 2 SA teams) for the coming 2019/20 season starting Sept, there will be 671 players across the 12 clubs. They are made up of players born in Ireland 182, Italy 68, Scotland 73, Wales 175, England 46, South Africa 33, New Zealand 32, Australia 18, Argentina 6,, Canada 2, Fiji 6, Zimbabwe 4, USA 4, Tonga 3, Spain 2, Nigeria 2, Moldova 2, and 1 from each of France, Samoa, Monaco, Namibia, Georgia, New Guinea, Romania, Portugal, Hong Kong and Albania.

    That's an average of 2.6 Kiwi-born players per club within an average squad of 56 players inc academy.

    As for no spots available in the future, along with the current restrictions I mentioned above, a lot of the teams have quotas on foreign-born players currently either within the overall squads or in match-day squads, and these are reducing so you'd be right on that point.



  • Thanks for your answers. With the rather high reported number of South Africans, Aussies and Kiwis all on professional contracts up in Europe and Japan there must be a lot of players not getting much game time in the top sides of the clubs they are contracted to.



  • @Higgins said in Exodus 2019:

    Thanks for your answers. With the rather high reported number of South Africans, Aussies and Kiwis all on professional contracts up in Europe and Japan there must be a lot of players not getting much game time in the top sides of the clubs they are contracted to.

    I call that a swerve from your original statement. You said Kiwis, now you’re including SA and Aussie players. Which do you want to focus on? And what exactly are these ‘rather high reported’ numbers that you speak of, and what players are not getting much game time in which top sides of clubs?

    You said that “the way things are going all overseas teams will be filled with Kiwis thus...”.

    Sorry for asking for specifics but this site prides itself on facts as opposed to conjecture, guesstimates and wind-off-stomach supposition.



  • @Derm-McCrum said in Exodus 2019:

    Sorry for asking for specifics but this site prides itself on facts as opposed to conjecture

    Have you logged into TSF thinking it was another site?

    I mean our site banner pretty much sums it up:

    Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight since 1999.



  • @Derm-McCrum
    How do the European cup winning Toulon sides fit into this? Because from what I can see they all had well over 2 NZ and Aus players.

    Also I assume players like Jared Payne, Bundee Aki, Hadleigh Parkes etc. weren't counted as NZ players as soon as they were internationally capped? Because they are still kiwis even if they aren't counted as such.


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