Exodus



  • Lam attracted a lot of shit early on largely because of his surname. There were people on TSF claiming that Auckland did not want to pick him but Pat Lam forced them too 🙄

    2015 was his break through year

    It's a shame he got injured at the very start of the next SR season. He was extremely good in the Dev game when he got injured.
    That wasted a full year of his prime



  • @Duluth I thought it was more than he was considered a 7s specialist initially, but I'm not up on the ins and outs of Auckland rugby.



  • @Nepia said in Exodus:

    I thought it was more than he was considered a 7s specialist initially, but I'm not up on the ins and outs of Auckland rugby.

    I think that was latter

    The initial bullshit he attracted was because of his surname. It wasn't from Auckland fans.



  • https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/119291874/the-undertheradar-retirement-of-all-blacks-loosehead-prop-tim-perry

    Rare in this day and age, but it's back to the farm for Tim. Nice for him to leave on his own terms



  • Levi Aumua has signed with Hino Red Dolphins (Top League) with immediate effect.
    https://hino-reddolphins.com/news/detail179/

    According to the website of asierugby, former Blues Forwards Coach Steve Jackson is the new head coach of Shimizu Blue Sharks (Top Challenge League, 2nd div in Japan). As Shimizu hasn't posted any news items on its website since October 2019 and not on its social media since January, I have not been able to check this.
    https://www.asierugby.com/post/steve-jackson-nommé-entraîneur-chef-de-shimizu-blue-sharks



  • No doubt Tasman will be on the poach for yet another player to invite into their squad to replace Aumua.



  • @Higgins heaps of props around so should be easy pickings



  • @Stargazer could cover the midfield,prop and hooker me thinks..!



  • Tokyo Metropolitan Police on Thursday announced the arrest of a New Zealand rugby player for the Top League’s Hino Red Dolphins over the alleged use of cocaine, reports Sankei Sports (Mar. 6).
    
    At around 4:30 a.m., an officer took forward Joel Everson, 29, in for voluntary questioning after seeing him behaving suspiciously as he walked in the Roppongi entertainment district of Minato Ward.
    
    After Everson declined to voluntarily provide a urine sample, police forcibly took a sample, which gave a positive result for cocaine, the Azabu Police Station said.
    

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    https://www.tokyoreporter.com/japan/new-zealand-rugby-player-nabbed-over-alleged-use-of-cocaine-in-roppongi/



  • Forcibly took a urine sample? Ouch...

    Or...





  • @Tim Always sad that a player has to retire due to injury, but health comes first. At least he's had a decent career and has been able to earn some coin overseas.



  • @Tim he was to be The Man at one stage wasn't he?



  • @booboo Based on his NZ U20s performances. Trent Renata had a similar reputation from a few years earlier.



  • @Bovidae yeah he looked bloody good, thought he was one of the best I'd seen at that level (back when I used to watch). Seemed an excellent kicker.





  • And it begins...



  • @Bovidae It will be interesting to see where some of the older players are going to, who are now off-contract in France. Retiring, returning to NZ, or going to another overseas club.

    There's a list forming: Julian Savea, Liam Messam, Tom Taylor, Loni Uhila, and a few that I can't remember right now. I just saw that Tom Marshall has signed in Japan.



  • @jauzy019 bugger, but Chiefs have a stacked midfield so probably not surprising. Wonder if he'll play for Samoa at some stage.



  • Former ABs analyst and Blues assistant coach Alistair Rogers is the new defence coach of Canon Eagles.

    https://www.canon-eagles.jp/news/info/20200615.html





  • @Yeetyaah Fair enough too, he’s a Kiwi product, but if he wants the real big bucks (and an awful grind of a career) he should go. Hopefully he has his eyes on a black jersey, having grown up here.



  • @Yeetyaah Eddie would not be doing his job if he didn't



  • He also wouldn't be doing his 'eddie' job if he didn't attempt to wind up some kiwis.

    But, then again, he actually went through with it with Brad Shields ...



  • If only the NZ Herald had run that article after the ABs had capped him. But then again, it also sounds like Hoskins wanted that information out there. If Hoskins goes I will be disappointed. At least with Shields, he tried for years to get into the ABs and only left after it became clear that he was not likely to get picked.



  • Eddie Jones has repeatedly said it's not his job to write the eligibility rules, it's his job to prepare the best possible team for England to the very best of his ability.

    Whatever decision Hoskins Sotutu makes is up to him. He will know his career goals and his own Rugby identity. He has to think as well about his post-Rugby career and the very real possibility that injury could cut his career short.

    It would be a stunning coup by Eddie Jones and the RFU if they could get Hoskins Sotutu of the Blues and former NZ under-20 international to commit to playing for England. But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?



  • @sparky said in Exodus:

    Eddie Jones has repeatedly said it's not his job to write the eligibility rules, it's his job to prepare the best possible team for England to the very best of his ability.

    Whatever decision Hoskins Sotutu makes is up to him. He will know his career goals and his own Rugby identity. He has to think as well about his post-Rugby career and the very real possibility that injury could cut his career short.

    It would be a stunning coup by Eddie Jones and the RFU if they could get Hoskins Sotutu of the Blues and former NZ under-20 international to commit to playing for England. But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

    I don't think it says anything about Foster or NZR if he choses to play for England. He's a young, inexperienced lad, so they're not going to throw extra money at him to keep him here. What can they do? Nothing. They're not going to cap a player quickly, just to keep him from playing for another country. Now, that would be dodgy!

    From what I've read, it's still a distinct possibility that he choses to play for Fiji. I haven't been able to find it anymore, but I remember reading somewhere that there's quite a lot of pressure from his family in Fiji to do so. There may also be financial pressure from that side.



  • @sparky said in Exodus:

    But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

    It would say NZ has a GDP and pop of a tenth of England, and they can pay him a fuck load more?



  • @Stargazer It's Ian Foster's job now to prepare the ABs to have the best possible shot of recapturing silverware. That is maxmisied by getting Hoskins Sotutu on board.

    If he choses anything other the ABs then Eddie Jones will be laughing for some time.

    Hopefully the ABs at the Blues will be enthuse about the AB environment. I'd also get Wayne Shelford and Kieran Read to sit down with young Hoskins 1:1 and explain what that AB Number 8 jersey meant to them.

    Ultimately and rightly, the player has the choice here. But I hope the ABs management are doing all they can to bring young eligible talent on board.



  • @Machpants said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

    It would say NZ has a GDP and pop of a tenth of England, and they can pay him a fuck load more?

    Yeah, but NZ has more Rugby fans and won't have its economy anything like as badly affected by Covid-19.

    Given the cuts the RFU are currently making, they're not exactly swimming in spare cash:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rugbypass.com/news/a-whopping-340-of-the-rfus-staff-62-per-cent-of-the-organisation-are-currently-on-furlough-bill-sweeney/



  • Hopefully growing up in New Zealand makes him desire the jersey and on form he'd have to be picked in the squad.



  • If I was a young England-based talented Number 8 busting my backside off, I'd be a bit upset that my national coach is so intent on turning a player who has spent almost all his life on the other side of the world into an England international.

    Eddie Jones said recently that NZ had three great development systems full of young talent: Tonga, Fiji and Samoa. Its obvious he's obsessed with selecting talent from two other development systems: the North island and the South Island of New Zealand.

    Why isn't Eddie Jones trying as hard to develop young players from the Isle of Wight, the Isle of Shepney or the Isle of Dogs into becoming England internationals?

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.



  • After a couple of decades I'm starting to suspect that Eddie likes to shit stir



  • @Duluth Just a bit.

    Given the new Politically Correct environment in the RFU (no singing of Swing Low from the chairman), I wonder whether that relationship will always be a happy one?



  • @sparky said in Exodus:

    Why isn't Eddie Jones trying as hard to develop young players from

    Because Eddie isn't the Development Officer/person from the RFU. He's the coach of the national team, his job is to make them the best, within the rules he's given. And if getting some bloke from NZ with an English Mum is the best, then he will do it. In fact he would be remiss if he did not pursue it.



  • @Duluth said in Exodus:

    After a couple of decades I'm starting to suspect that Eddie likes to shit stir

    Clever at Media Management too.

    I suspect the super, right-wing Daily Telegraph is the paper of choice of many ardent England Rugby fans. Rather than reporting that Leicester and the RFU can't match Manu Tuilagi's wage demands as their main Rugby story, they have a headline of a "Raid" on NZ talent:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2020/07/01/eddie-jones-keen-super-rugby-sensation-hoskins-sotutu-play-england/

    All Eddie's done is told a journalist at the DT he thinks Hoskins Sotutu is an excellent player and he has an English mother.



  • @Machpants said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Why isn't Eddie Jones trying as hard to develop young players from

    Because Eddie isn't the Development Officer/person from the RFU. He's the coach of the national team, his job is to make them the best, within the rules he's given. And if getting some bloke from NZ with an English Mum is the best, then he will do it. In fact he would be remiss if he did not pursue it.

    If I was Eddie I would mostly be worried about when my players can start playing again. It's July and still they have no fixtures planned and no green light from the UK Government to start even proper training.

    The NZ players are prepping for the next World Cup by playing in the toughest domestic competition in the world in front of packed stadiums. There's the return of the legendary North Vs South game to look forward to.

    Meanwhile after more than 100 days of lockdown, Eddie's boys are still at home watching Netflix and planning a bender when the pubs open on Saturday.



  • @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.



  • @Snowy said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

    And he's brilliant at that short-term role. But ultimately the guys who look at systems and structures and align them to the vision are going to bring more success in the long term.



  • @sparky said in Exodus:

    @Snowy said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

    And he's brilliant at that short-term role. But ultimately the guys who look at systems and structures and align them to the vision are going to bring more success in the long term.

    Just pointing out that it isn't his job and noted that the "other" guys and girls have to do their bit.


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