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Most of them like to give the impression they are woke as hell but like Vice are full of shit . Today there was a mass walkout over the way women are treated by google
Google walkout: global protests after sexual misconduct allegations
Thousands of employees from Tokyo to California stage demonstrations targeting workplace culture
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Well they created a culture of victimhood - what did they think was going to happen?
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That said, it sounds like Google has one set of standards for execs and another for staff members.
Exec and you sexually assault someone? We got your back. Staff member writing a memo with ideas on how to make the workplace more inclusive/attractive for women? SEXIST! FIRED!
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Talk about a prime example of the left eating their own.
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Hilarious!
Haven't read into it yet but is it a case of #believewoman #dueprocessiswhitesupremacy or more of a case of male feminists basically being Schrödinger's rapist?
Either way just hilarious, time for alt-tech to start to gain more of a foothold.
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@Rembrandt these are their demands
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Did I hear that the CEO supports them?
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@no-quarter said in Google / other tech firms:
@Rembrandt these are their demands
Actually this is even better than I thought.
- Is the reason that James Demore and other staff discriminated or fired for the crime of being white, male and logical will not get anywhere legally against google.
- Is commercial suicide
- Most likely suicide and ripe for abuse
- The devil is in the detail regarding 'inclusive' and 'anonymously'
- Why not just make the CEO answer directly to the CDO and burn the company down entirely?
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Google CEO, in internal memo, supports employee walkout in the wake of report on sexual misconduct
In an internal email, Google CEO Sundar Pichai condones an employee protest planned for Thursday in the wake of a New York Times report highlighting the ways the company shielded some employees from accusations of sexual misconduct.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
In an internal email, Google CEO Sundar Pichai condones an employee protest planned for Thursday in the wake of a New York Times report highlighting the ways the company shielded some employees from accusations of sexual misconduct.
Well what a swell guy!..thing is it isn't going to end here.
Saw this story on the same site. Have a lot of time for Thiel, he's totally correct here. Silicon valley has jumped the shark entirely, they are a political echo chamber and it will be their undoing.
Tech investor and Trump donor Peter Thiel thinks all the great consumer internet ideas may have been exhausted, and thinks Trump will win re-election in 2020 as long as the economy is good.
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Wow there is so much more attached to this. They want to put people in positions in google based on their gender and skin colour rather than their ability to do the job. Combine this with the removal of forced arbitration in discrimination and Google is 100% fucked.
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Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
In an internal email, Google CEO Sundar Pichai condones an employee protest planned for Thursday in the wake of a New York Times report highlighting the ways the company shielded some employees from accusations of sexual misconduct.
This could be the most expensive virtue signal ever
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
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@jegga
I interpret it as the SJWs eating their own. Higher level Google execs runs with the SJW angle because it's ultimately about profits and their image but don't really mean it. A good portion of the average Google employees actually believe it and will enforce it. Couldn't have happened to a nicer company. -
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
I dont think there is actually much angst. More amusement. Google being a raving left wing company concerns me and it should concern everyone, but this particular case is not much a problem as they it is just lefties eating lefties.
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
Do you know what angst actually means?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
Do you know what angst actually means?
Yes
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
Do you know what angst actually means?
Yes
I don't think you do. Quote a single post here that can be classified as angst.
Btw, aren't you supposed to keep threads on topic rather than derail them by disparaging those contributing to it?
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
It upsets me the direction certain groups are trying to take society, as it directly affects my kids.
This is not an insignificant amount of people protesting, and in one of the most influential companies in the world. These people are the gatekeepers to searching for knowledge in the world.
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
Do you know what angst actually means?
Yes
I don't think you do. Quote a single post here that can be classified as angst.
Btw, aren't you supposed to keep threads on topic rather than derail them by disparaging those contributing to it?
You win the internet comp mate. It's all good.
I'll try and alter one word next time.
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@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
I get that about the generation thing, but we are moving in a direction where it's ok to discriminate against white people, especially when they are male. Making boys feel ashamed of being male is not going to reduce an already over representative sucicide statistic.
My son is talking about being a teacher, just looking at what gets taught there now and extrapolating out what it will be like in ten years, I don't think that would be a good experience for him.
As for the google influence, the internet has a massive influence on all areas of life now. If you control the flow of information you can suppress free speech, affect policy, elect your own governments. Can't overstate the importance of ensuring that all information gets indexed and google don't become a state censor.
Am sure others can think of more incidious examples.
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
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@Hooroo If you look through the British politics thread you can see some more terrifying examples of where this ideology can take society
- Thousands of child rapes left uninvestigated because it was considered 'racist' to look into the problem
- Comedians being locked up for telling jokes.
- Teens being arrested for posting rap lyrics on their private social media account
- Police dedicating their time to fighting mean people on the internet rather than deal with skyrocketing murder, theft & rape
There is a lot more and its been going on a while, its only just now that a lot of people are coming out and talking about it.
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@no-quarter said in Google / other tech firms:
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@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
I hear that, but I'm not concerned about it.
To me, it just seems that there is always something new that comes up the that causes angst which then causes angst by those that are against the original angst.
Rinse and repeat
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
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@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
I hear that, but I'm not concerned about it.
To me, it just seems that there is always something new that comes up the that causes angst which then causes angst by those that are against the original angst.
Rinse and repeat
We live in a time of faux outrage, that's for sure. So I can see how you come to that conclusion, the internet has certainly brought all the idiots to the surface and shined a light on them.
I find the Google situation today fascinating, in that it shows how this line of thinking doesn't work in the long term.
Probably more concerning to me is the direction our Universities are heading. Two things there - one they are indoctrinating a lot of students into a radical left wing ideology. Those students then go out into the real world and instead of contributing they just cause trouble. Secondly, because of this the Universities are losing credibility at a rate of knots as it gets exposed, to the point that if they don't arrest the situation I can see many of them collapsing - that (in my opinion) is a very bad thing for society.
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@no-quarter said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@no-quarter said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
I hear that, but I'm not concerned about it.
To me, it just seems that there is always something new that comes up the that causes angst which then causes angst by those that are against the original angst.
Rinse and repeat
Probably more concerning to me is the direction our Universities are heading. Two things there - one they are indoctrinating a lot of students into a radical left wing ideology. Those students then go out into the real world and instead of contributing they just cause trouble. Secondly, because of this the Universities are losing credibility at a rate of knots as it gets exposed, to the point that if they don't arrest the situation I can see many of them collapsing - that (in my opinion) is a very bad thing for society.
Now I am playing devils advocate a bit (previously I wasn't)
A very bad thing for our current society, yes, I agree, but for future society, if the majority want that?
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@no-quarter said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@no-quarter said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
I hear that, but I'm not concerned about it.
To me, it just seems that there is always something new that comes up the that causes angst which then causes angst by those that are against the original angst.
Rinse and repeat
Probably more concerning to me is the direction our Universities are heading. Two things there - one they are indoctrinating a lot of students into a radical left wing ideology. Those students then go out into the real world and instead of contributing they just cause trouble. Secondly, because of this the Universities are losing credibility at a rate of knots as it gets exposed, to the point that if they don't arrest the situation I can see many of them collapsing - that (in my opinion) is a very bad thing for society.
Now I am playing devils advocate a bit (previously I wasn't)
A very bad thing for our current society, yes, I agree, but for future society, if the majority want that?
because this ideology has been proven time and time again to lead to the deaths of millions and the collapse of society.
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@no-quarter said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@no-quarter said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Google / other tech firms:
@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
I hear that, but I'm not concerned about it.
To me, it just seems that there is always something new that comes up the that causes angst which then causes angst by those that are against the original angst.
Rinse and repeat
Probably more concerning to me is the direction our Universities are heading. Two things there - one they are indoctrinating a lot of students into a radical left wing ideology. Those students then go out into the real world and instead of contributing they just cause trouble. Secondly, because of this the Universities are losing credibility at a rate of knots as it gets exposed, to the point that if they don't arrest the situation I can see many of them collapsing - that (in my opinion) is a very bad thing for society.
Now I am playing devils advocate a bit (previously I wasn't)
A very bad thing for our current society, yes, I agree, but for future society, if the majority want that?
Hah, yes, well I guess that depends on what replaces them. Fair point though, might not be a bad thing at all...
(edit - assume you were talking about Universities collapsing, rather than the radical left ideas becoming mainstream?).
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
@kirwan said in Google / other tech firms:
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@hooroo said in Google / other tech firms:
Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
I hear that, but I'm not concerned about it.
To me, it just seems that there is always something new that comes up the that causes angst which then causes angst by those that are against the original angst.
Rinse and repeat
Probably more concerning to me is the direction our Universities are heading. Two things there - one they are indoctrinating a lot of students into a radical left wing ideology. Those students then go out into the real world and instead of contributing they just cause trouble. Secondly, because of this the Universities are losing credibility at a rate of knots as it gets exposed, to the point that if they don't arrest the situation I can see many of them collapsing - that (in my opinion) is a very bad thing for society.
Now I am playing devils advocate a bit (previously I wasn't)
A very bad thing for our current society, yes, I agree, but for future society, if the majority want that?
because this ideology has been proven time and time again to lead to the deaths of millions and the collapse of society.
i.e Stalin and MaoHa! I just read that earlier in the thread and had forgotten by the time I wrote the above.
I hear you.
If I can keep playing DA for sake of curiosity, if it didn't lead to utter want for genocide, i.e. we (they) found a way to live by these terms, which we don't currently like, is it a bad thing?
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Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
I hear that, but I'm not concerned about it.
To me, it just seems that there is always something new that comes up the that causes angst which then causes angst by those that are against the original angst.
Rinse and repeat
Probably more concerning to me is the direction our Universities are heading. Two things there - one they are indoctrinating a lot of students into a radical left wing ideology. Those students then go out into the real world and instead of contributing they just cause trouble. Secondly, because of this the Universities are losing credibility at a rate of knots as it gets exposed, to the point that if they don't arrest the situation I can see many of them collapsing - that (in my opinion) is a very bad thing for society.
Now I am playing devils advocate a bit (previously I wasn't)
A very bad thing for our current society, yes, I agree, but for future society, if the majority want that?
because this ideology has been proven time and time again to lead to the deaths of millions and the collapse of society.
i.e Stalin and MaoHa! I just read that earlier in the thread and had forgotten by the time I wrote the above.
I hear you.
If I can keep playing DA for sake of curiosity, if it didn't lead to utter want for genocide, i.e. we (they) found a way to live by these terms, which we don't currently like, is it a bad thing?
Nope, and history has proven it to be so, part of me often just wonders if we are just the old generation whinging about the 'youth of today'. But some times history shows the 'youth of today' do grow up to be complete fuckwits who destroy countries/civilizations and kill millions.
I think my baseline for 'goodness' is freedom of the individual from tyranny and freedom of speech. If you are moving away from that, you are heading towards dark places.
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Out of curiosity, why does this trigger people so much that they have to show their outrage online?
I've never quite got that.
Who do you mean? The people commenting on it?
Not the comments as such but the "angst' it seems to cause to the people it doesn't involve?
I maybe misreading the "angst" though
If they go full retard, we are fucked.
How so? I see things like this and then look at my everyday life and never see it impacted. To me it is always only read.
I do get the kid thing though but to me I just see that is change in the same way change is never really liked by the older of those having to change
There's definitely an element of people being against change as they don't like any change. Lots of things in the west have changed for the better - gay rights for example - despite opposition from some.
But with companies like Google, the philosophy behind what they espouse can be particularly damaging to society as it extremely pernicious. It's essentially the same philosophy that drove Stalin and Mao which led to people's rights being taken away (free speech etc), and the enslavement and deaths of many millions of people.
Could that happen again in western countries? I don't know, but I'm not really willing to find out by letting these ideas spread again, we've done the 'Marxist' experiment in various forms already and paid for it dearly. We've got the best system going in the history of humanity, and I will oppose anyone that wants to tear that down.
I hear that, but I'm not concerned about it.
To me, it just seems that there is always something new that comes up the that causes angst which then causes angst by those that are against the original angst.
Rinse and repeat
Probably more concerning to me is the direction our Universities are heading. Two things there - one they are indoctrinating a lot of students into a radical left wing ideology. Those students then go out into the real world and instead of contributing they just cause trouble. Secondly, because of this the Universities are losing credibility at a rate of knots as it gets exposed, to the point that if they don't arrest the situation I can see many of them collapsing - that (in my opinion) is a very bad thing for society.
Now I am playing devils advocate a bit (previously I wasn't)
A very bad thing for our current society, yes, I agree, but for future society, if the majority want that?
because this ideology has been proven time and time again to lead to the deaths of millions and the collapse of society.
i.e Stalin and MaoHa! I just read that earlier in the thread and had forgotten by the time I wrote the above.
I hear you.
If I can keep playing DA for sake of curiosity, if it didn't lead to utter want for genocide, i.e. we (they) found a way to live by these terms, which we don't currently like, is it a bad thing?
No, if it worked then that would be fine. And in theory it might sound quite nice, everyone is equal etc. But it doesn't work, that has been proven beyond all doubt with the worst possible consequences. So we shouldn't keep trying to make it work when we already have a system that (mostly) does. I guess the question for these people is: how many more millions of people are you willing to sacrifice to try and achieve your Utopian version of the world? For me, the answer is obviously none.
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More I think about it after reading your posts, I tend to agree.
I am thinking as a collective and that doesn't work for humans as people will find power through deceit.
Circling back to the original post, do you think this is a sound bite in time that will be quickly dismissed/forgotten or are you genuinely worried for your kids? What I mean, do you not think this will sort it self out by right decisions at right levels eventually?
I can be more selfish and not care as much as it won't really affect me (or you) in our lifetimes significantly.
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The difference between the old and the new generations is a fair point. Socrates was bitching about the young generation way back in ancient farking Greece.
But in this case, it isn't a rebellion against strict social norms or censorship. It's the opposite in fact. And all these young people are doing is regurgitating the bullshit fed to them by their much older, greyhaired professors. It's not original thought and it's not progressive in the positive sense.
For all the slander and vitriol directed at "old white men" it should be remembered that "old white men" also made the decisions that led to the positive changes we have seen in society over the past 50 or so years. It was also "old white men" who founded, developed and nurtured the systems that have created the best living standards and nation states in the history of the planet. Systems which, despite having been created by evil, patriarchal white men, are now seen as the holy grail for tens (probably hundreds) of millions of people of all different ages, colours and creeds.
So I think that while youthful rebellion can bring positive change, that certainly isn't always the case and certainly doesn't apply to things like intersectionality and the SJW culture, not to mention this dangerous enfatuation with "real socialism".
