2019 Rugby World Cup



  • @JC said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @junior said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    So if RSA/Canada and ABs/Italy were scheduled in reverse the Boks would be eliminated? If the ABs lost to South Africa in the opening fixture (without a Bonus point) and all else was the same they would be eliminated?

    Waaaay to close to close to the sun there.

    Is it possible that they've decided to cancel these two matches because the pools are effectively decided?

    Decided how? “Let’s face it Italy, you’re a bit shit so you were never going to qualify anyway, so no harm done”? If that’s the case why did they not just tell Italy (and TBF all the nations seeded 9 to 20) not to bother flying out to Japan in the first place?

    I'm just speculating, but yeah - cancelling the France v England match this far out is easy to do, as no one's tournament is affected if that match doesn't go ahead (i.e. they'll both make the QFs). Same goes for the ABs v Italy match - that's obviously very harsh on Italy, but it is the truth. Also, I'm not sure WRC really give two shits about being "fair" particularly to a team like Italy.

    The Japan v Scotland match - on the other hand - has a lot riding on it. I also understand that it was the most in-demand pool match in terms of ticket sales and so there will be a lot of money to refund. EDIT: I'd also add that there will be a lot of eyeballs on this match from around the world, as the result could affect not just Scotland and Japan, but also NZ, Ireland and RSA.

    In those circumstances, you'd want to be absolutely sure that cancelling that match is the best thing to do.



  • @rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    So if RSA/Canada and ABs/Italy were scheduled in reverse the Boks would be eliminated? If the ABs lost to South Africa in the opening fixture (without a Bonus point) and all else was the same they would be eliminated?

    Waaaay to close to close to the sun there.

    No, if the All Blacks were at risk of missing the quarter finals they would have used their influence over World Rugby to have the Typhoon moved off course or asked for Japan to be moved out off the way...



  • @Unite Obviously the All Blacks control the weather, no need for world rugby.



  • @mofitzy_ The real 2019 smackdown: Aura vs Hagibis



  • @Bovidae

    I’m sure that it isn’t now. They have a soccer game on Sunday, but I’ll bet they could have had it if they wanted it and had booked it earlier.



  • @Steven-Harris said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @canefan and Ben Skeen to act as the TMO lol

    World rugby report that 3 ABs were cited following an intervention from TMO Ben Skeen during a game of warmup touch rugby, Beauden Barrett for being too fast, Sevu Reece for scoring too many tries and Kieran Read just because.



  • Feel almost dirty typing this, but the wisest thing have read about the cancellations is this tweet from Stephen Jones of the Sunday Times:



  • @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    It's late in the typhoon season, this is a super typhoon and its projected path takes out most of the viable venues and traffic routes on a busy weekend.

    The worst Typhoons are usually late in the season and they hit japan. Some other contingencies could have been arranged I think.

    Like? Book all the hotels? Book all the stadiums? For the entirety of the pool stage?

    Still play the match somewhere else even if an empty stadium. Only teams and officials need to be there.



  • @Chris I particularly liked the guys riding a bike (trying to) all the while clutching an umbrella.

    Pretty handy metaphor for Italy's chances if the game had gone ahead actually - facing the All Blacks storming at you is like riding a bike into a typhoon with only an umbrella to protect you....



  • So let me get this straight, Vunipola is has a minor injury and other members of the team are ill, but Brian Moore specifically calls out NZ for wanting to stick by the rules (which is hilarious in and of itself).



  • @mofitzy_ said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    So let me get this straight, Vunipola is has a minor injury and other members of the team are ill, but Brian Moore specifically calls out NZ for wanting to stick by the rules (which is hilarious in and of itself).

    Link?



  • Which part?

    England/Vunipola is googleable, Brian Moore posted on twitter that NZ declined playing the game later (no source) but omits mentioning England or France..



  • Weather report is looking pretty bad, so the cancellation decision looks like it was best. Also looks like Sunday will be fine (actually, the day after a typhoon is usually a cracker), assuming it moves at the predicted pace (which didn’t happen to the one last year and ended up making the damage worse).

    Still too early to tell what time things will file through and exactly whether Nagoya or Tokyo or both will get the full force. Nevertheless, they’ve cancelled all domestic (and international too I imagine) flights from Tokyo and will stop the Shinks (and major JR lines too) from late tonight.

    For that reason alone, I can see why they’ve decided to cancel. Having said that, I’m not quite sure why the cancellation was required yesterday - they could still do it lunchtime today and it would have made more sense.



  • @gt12 said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    (actually, the day after a typhoon is usually a cracker)

    in my experience, fucking hot, and fucking still. And with the power out, not much to do except drink beer.

    This World Cup is certainly turning out to be memorable anyway.



  • If the NZ-Italy and England-France games were brought forward to today were there venues available to play in? The Stuff article says NZ were willing to do that but WR declined. There is only one game today so they could have been played at the same times.



  • It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.

    These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.

    England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.



  • @gt12 said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    Also looks like Sunday will be fine (actually, the day after a typhoon is usually a cracker), assuming it moves at the predicted pace (which didn’t happen to the one last year and ended up making the damage worse).

    We had one come back and hit us a second time in Hong Kong a day later. Created havoc. Aircraft all launched thinking it had gone, but no. They are not to be trusted.



  • @Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @gt12 said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    Also looks like Sunday will be fine (actually, the day after a typhoon is usually a cracker), assuming it moves at the predicted pace (which didn’t happen to the one last year and ended up making the damage worse).

    We had one come back and hit us a second time in Hong Kong a day later. Created havoc. Aircraft all launched thinking it had gone, but no. They are not to be trusted.

    and the tail that comes through about 12 hours later can be brutal as well.



  • @mariner4life someone mentioned that the ABs are planning an internal game, but I reckon they've been doing those anyway



  • What a complete shambles this has become.

    It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools



  • Am not so bothered about the 2 week gap. We hadn't played for 3 weeks after the Auckland Bledisloe and were crash hot against Tonga, then we had another 2 weeks off before the Bok game and didn't go too badly. I think the internal game that they have planned for today will be arguably more beneficial than a game against a weak Italian side.



  • @gt12 said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    Weather report is looking pretty bad, so the cancellation decision looks like it was best. Also looks like Sunday will be fine (actually, the day after a typhoon is usually a cracker), assuming it moves at the predicted pace (which didn’t happen to the one last year and ended up making the damage worse).

    Still too early to tell what time things will file through and exactly whether Nagoya or Tokyo or both will get the full force. Nevertheless, they’ve cancelled all domestic (and international too I imagine) flights from Tokyo and will stop the Shinks (and major JR lines too) from late tonight.

    For that reason alone, I can see why they’ve decided to cancel. Having said that, I’m not quite sure why the cancellation was required yesterday - they could still do it lunchtime today and it would have made more sense.

    Hey by the way gt12, your local insights during this RWC have been bloody great!

    Thanks man



  • @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.

    These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.

    England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.

    I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.



  • @Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    What a complete shambles this has become.

    It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools

    Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.



  • @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.

    Yep. The guys playing with themselves (so to speak) may actually be better.



  • @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    What a complete shambles this has become.

    It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools

    Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.

    Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.



  • @Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    What a complete shambles this has become.

    It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools

    Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.

    Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.

    I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though



  • @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.

    These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.

    England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.

    I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.

    I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.



  • @Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    It's late in the typhoon season, this is a super typhoon and its projected path takes out most of the viable venues and traffic routes on a busy weekend.

    The worst Typhoons are usually late in the season and they hit japan. Some other contingencies could have been arranged I think.

    Like? Book all the hotels? Book all the stadiums? For the entirety of the pool stage?

    Still play the match somewhere else even if an empty stadium. Only teams and officials need to be there.

    You still have to find an available suitable venue and then be able to transport and house the teams and officials.



  • @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.

    These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.

    England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.

    I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.

    I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.

    Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.



  • @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.

    These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.

    England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.

    I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.

    I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.

    Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.

    so, a change in plans then?



  • @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.

    These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.

    England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.

    I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.

    I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.

    Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.

    so, a change in plans then?

    You ask like that aspect was ever debated by anyone.



  • You still have to find an available suitable venue and then be able to transport and house the teams and officials.

    That really shouldn't be that hard, (there are plenty of stadia) if planned in advance, and they could all still be flying today , trains all still running, buses even- the matches were cancelled yesterday. Accommodation close enough to a rugby ground would definitely have been achievable too.

    It's not ideal, but could have been done with some prior thought. This shouldn't have been a surprise but somebody said "too hard" or "never going to happen" and it wasn't planned for when it should have been.



  • @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    What a complete shambles this has become.

    It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools

    Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.

    Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.

    I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though

    Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.





  • @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though

    Definitely shit situation. They would have had to add a couple of days to the whole tournament for postponement days I think, to keep it fair, but better than this mess I reckon. Accommodation for teams and officials within a couple of hours of the ground would be doable. The fans are screwed, but would at least get to see their team play on TB.



  • I should point out that I have plenty of experience with trying to find hotels for 380 people due to typhoons. It is achievable.



  • @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.

    These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.

    England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.

    I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.

    I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.

    Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.

    so, a change in plans then?

    You ask like that aspect was ever debated by anyone.

    I'm really lost as to what your argument with my post was then?



  • @Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    What a complete shambles this has become.

    It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools

    Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.

    Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.

    I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though

    Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.

    Totally agree, this wasn’t some freak occurrence that no one saw coming. It was entirely predictable. The fact they chose to have a contingency plan of “lets have no plan and just cancel” is an absolute joke for a tournament like this.

    The lack of accommodation excuse is a cop out. This isn’t invercargil. How many millions of people live in these cities? You can’t find 100 hotel rooms?

    The fact that the day after the event is likely to be completely fine also lends itself to reserve days being a perfect solution too. The Cricket world cup had them. Why can’t the rugby? If fans miss out because they had booked travel then tough shit. At least the tournament is actually carried on.

    Again it’s not the fact that these games won’t be played during 200km/hr winds. It’s the fact they came up with precisely zero plan to deal with a totally predictable issue.



  • @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    What a complete shambles this has become.

    It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools

    Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.

    Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.

    I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though

    Agree. The cancellations have just happened top occur on this final weekend. But if it had been on Wednesday (and reserve days were 'mandatory' or expected), and Scotland had been forced to have their game postponed by 1 day, then their 3 day turnaround turns into a 2 day turnaround.

    Or if France's game v USA was delayed by 1 day and they pay Tonga after a 2 day turnaround.

    etc etc etc

    If they expand the world cup and get rid of the uneven pool numbers, then they can introduce reserve days into their next world cup schedule. As every one will have even turnarounds.


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