Black Caps v India



  • So this kicks off next Wednesday, really looking forward to seeing how we go against the Indians.
    A couple of teams in good form should make for an exciting series.

    Black Caps' squad:
    Kane Williamson (c), Trent Boult, Doug Bracewell, Colin de Grandhomme, Lockie Ferguson, Martin Guptill, Matt Henry, Tom Latham (wk), Colin Munro, Henry Nicholls, Mitchell Santner, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor.

    In: CdG, Latham, Santner
    Out: Seifert, Neesham

    Neesham and Astle will come into contention for games 4 & 5 after proving their fitness in the Super Smash.



  • @Gunner Would be interesting to know who would have missed out if Neesham was available.

    Neesham, de Grandhomme and Bracewell appear to me to be competing for two spots - but, Bracewell, particularly, could also be competing against Henry and Southee as a genuine frontline bowler.

    Leaving out Seifert seems to suggest that they might be prepared to use Nicholls as the emergency cover wicket keeper at the CWC.



  • @Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:

    @Gunner Would be interesting to know who would have missed out if Neesham was available.

    Neesham, de Grandhomme and Bracewell appear to me to be competing for two spots - but, Bracewell, particularly, could also be competing against Henry and Southee as a genuine frontline bowler.

    Leaving out Seifert seems to suggest that they might be prepared to use Nicholls as the emergency cover wicket keeper at the CWC.

    I like Bracewell. I prefer him to Henry who has become a pie slinger.



  • @canefan Yeah - Henry had a poor series against the Sri Lankans.

    But, we need to see how Bracewell's bowling goes against the Indians. If he's going to take Henry's spot then he needs to be able to bowl 10 economical overs and take some wickets - or at least be significantly better than Henry.



  • @canefan said in Black Caps v India:

    @Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:

    @Gunner Would be interesting to know who would have missed out if Neesham was available.

    Neesham, de Grandhomme and Bracewell appear to me to be competing for two spots - but, Bracewell, particularly, could also be competing against Henry and Southee as a genuine frontline bowler.

    Leaving out Seifert seems to suggest that they might be prepared to use Nicholls as the emergency cover wicket keeper at the CWC.

    I like Bracewell. I prefer him to Henry who has become a pie slinger.

    Henry will be a definite if England has bad weather in the spring and all the wickets are a paradise for seam bowlers. He showed that in England last season. He really seems to struggle on flat decks though, neither quick or accurate enough. But that is largely true for most of the teams - the seamers become fodder if there's nothing in the pitch. So you need genuine pace or variations or accuracy or ideally all 3!



  • Henry hasn't had a lot of game time as yet. He did carve up in England so I'm thinking he'll have to have a mare against India to really drop down the pecking order. Reckon that's a minor factor with Southee too, even if he's only in ok form we'd expect him to amp up on English pitches.



  • Henry has good stats with an average of 26 at 5.7 RPO. He tends to carve up with the new ball, but can be a liability at the death. That said, there are not many bowlers that don't cop it at the death - 10 an over for the final 10 is not just a hope but an expectation these days.

    I think the most important tool for seam bowlers at the death is a good slower ball they can use 3 - 4 times per over. I like Ferguson for that reason, as well as the extra pace he provides.



  • The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.



  • @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.



  • @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.

    Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever



  • @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.

    Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.



  • @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.

    Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.

    I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say



  • @canefan said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.

    Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.

    I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say

    i think what gets overlooked is Dhoni between the wickets, he's way quicker than a solidly-built 37 year old has any reason to be. Watch Tuesday night's chase for an example of ones turned in to twos that turned a tricky chase into a pretty easy one despite the boundaries not flowing.



  • @canefan said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.

    Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.

    I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say

    Yeah apples and oranges. A real mystery how someone so brilliant at ODIs was such a mediocre test batsman.



  • @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.

    Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever

    That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.

    Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever

    That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?

    presume whatever you want.



  • @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.

    Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever

    That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?

    presume whatever you want.

    Yeah I did.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.

    Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever

    That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?

    In the shorter forms without a doubt. The tests will always have Bradman as the massive outlier. Ignoring him, Kholi started slow in tests but his average has been steadily climbing, wouldn't be surprised to see it touching 60 by the end of his career. Kane may give him a run for his money if he can get enough games under his belt, that man is built for test cricket.



  • @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    go look at his record in the last 12 months, apparently he is averaging a great deal more than that.

    Kholi is a freak, and we are possibly looking at the best ever

    That's a very bold claim. I presume we're talking overall in all three forms?

    In the shorter forms without a doubt. The tests will always have Bradman as the massive outlier. Ignoring him, Kholi started slow in tests but his average has been steadily climbing, wouldn't be surprised to see it touching 60 by the end of his career. Kane may give him a run for his money if he can get enough games under his belt, that man is built for test cricket.

    Will be interesting to see how Steve Smith goes when he comes back. Cheating fuck he may be but that test record is rather decent.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    Yeah apples and oranges. A real mystery how someone so brilliant at ODIs was such a mediocre test batsman.

    Martin Guptill too - so destructive with white ball, but horrific with red ball. Weird.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @canefan said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.

    Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.

    I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say

    Yeah apples and oranges. A real mystery how someone so brilliant at ODIs was such a mediocre test batsman.

    Martin Guptill? Ah 9 minutes too slow...



  • @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @canefan said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.

    Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.

    I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say

    i think what gets overlooked is Dhoni between the wickets, he's way quicker than a solidly-built 37 year old has any reason to be. Watch Tuesday night's chase for an example of ones turned in to twos that turned a tricky chase into a pretty easy one despite the boundaries not flowing.

    He's a strange one, though. He's got a tendency to fuck around until he's the only person who can win it for them - and if he gets out they're sunk. I thought he helped get Kohli out the other night with a lack of urgency - and in the first game he dabbed around getting something like 6 runs off 35 balls.

    If his powers have waned at all, then this could be an achilles heel for the Indians.



  • @Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @canefan said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.

    Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.

    I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say

    i think what gets overlooked is Dhoni between the wickets, he's way quicker than a solidly-built 37 year old has any reason to be. Watch Tuesday night's chase for an example of ones turned in to twos that turned a tricky chase into a pretty easy one despite the boundaries not flowing.

    He's a strange one, though. He's got a tendency to fuck around until he's the only person who can win it for them - and if he gets out they're sunk. I thought he helped get Kohli out the other night with a lack of urgency - and in the first game he dabbed around getting something like 6 runs off 35 balls.

    If his powers have waned at all, then this could be an achilles heel for the Indians.

    the commentators called it "likes to take it deep" hurr hurr

    Gets it done so often it's hard to rag on him too much. Agree i reckon he got Kohli out though, MS was battling at that point.



  • @Chris-B Jesus Chris you're offering an argument about the exact opposite to what happened.😉

    But if he doesn't win, he loses. That's sport

    Might be philosophically delving a bit deep there mate😀



  • @mariner4life that was such a masterful chase. So calm. And it worked. Even the last bat knew the script.

    Watching this (and the ABs) live your reminded how fucken good they are in the flesh. TV casts a production type performance for the viewer, viewing angles are pretty standard so its easy to overlook the significance of a few moments or the physics of the skill execution.

    They made it look like chasing 250, and most of the way I thought that Oz would win. Nup. Quality team, hope we do fucken well against them



  • Must say this upcoming series has me nervously excited or excitedly nervous.

    It's a great indicator of how good we actually are, or how we're tracking.

    Can't go past hoping we do well, rather than a full swagger of " we've got this ". Only ask for a live 5th game, that'd be good.

    Sensed a bit of fatigue in Kohli last game and maybe a big factor for us might be the tiredness after an historical trip to oz, tempered with what Indian batsmen could do on our wickets, if 3 batting performances from an average Sri Lanka was any guide.

    Really dont know how it'll pan out but i suspect we'll have to be at the top of our game

    Should be bloody interesting.

    C'mon lads! Let's see whatcha got



  • Indians will have a freakishly strong batting lineup....nothing new.

    ....they'll also have an ordinary bowling line up....nothing new.

    Exploit the latter as best you can BCs.



  • @MN5 bless you

    3 quick reasons backing the ordinary bowling line up appraisal?



  • @Siam said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 bless you

    3 quick reasons backing the ordinary bowling line up appraisal?

    @Siam said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 bless you

    3 quick reasons backing the ordinary bowling line up appraisal?

    It's obvious he didn't watch a minute of their Australian tour.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    Indians will have a freakishly strong batting lineup....nothing new.

    ....they'll also have an ordinary bowling line up....nothing new.

    Exploit the latter as best you can BCs.

    Those bowlers could run through NZ I fear. They are good quality. India are in the top 2 teams in every format, they are a seriously good side now. And they have the money and the population; they seem to have started to put together some pathways to generate decent players. Watch out the rest of the world, I think India could easily become a dominant force in world cricket indefinitely.

    Also, they produced Sehwag. What a farking genius with the bat, someone I made time to watch.



  • India traditionally were strong at home and pussies on the road. Great stroke players - the occasional obdurate opening batsman, a truck load of quality spinners and once in a generation a genuinely world class quickie.

    All of the above made them a very tough proposition at home and to a slightly lesser extent in the sub-continent.

    Away from hone - I dunno what it was, the bland food, miserable weather, away from their families, different players and conditions but they used to be a totally different proposition. In the immortal words of Corporal Jones "they didn't like it up 'em" and frequently folded often tanking it.

    All this has changed. I think IPL has had a lot to do with this. Despite having no affection for the game I do concede that the travelling T/20 global circuit seems to have emboldened Indian players. Whatever their mental reservations about playing overseas they have overcome them. Plus pitches in India are more encouraging to seamers than in the past. Throw in the vast amount of money/power BCCI wields and voila, as @nzzp writes - they seem to be on the verge of producing a dynasty.

    It's akin in some respects to the rise of "plucky" Ireland in rugby to being a (for now) world power, but it seems certain to be more sustained. I have no problem with this on the cricketing front. India are and almost always have been an entertaining bunch. Following a BC's tour to India is on my bucket list. However I have massive reservations about the fluffybunnies at BCCI controlling world cricket



  • @dogmeat said in Black Caps v India:

    However I have massive reservations about the fluffybunnies at BCCI controlling world cricket

    Yep, potentially either corrupt, or engaging in 'sharp practice'. BUT they generate 70% of revenue in world cricket. Our domestic game only exists because India inject so much money when they tour here. It's remarkable.

    BCCI have an operating income of $1.4B USD (just over $2B NZD). It's an insane amount of money - and that's why I think they are so different to Ireland in your example above. Ireland have a good team, with a good coach, but I can't see them forming a dynasty. India, with that kind of money and a billion people should start churning out high quality cricketers. Once they start, they won't stop -- and arguably they are starting to get their systems in place to do this. England and Australia hate it, because they dominated world cricket for so long.

    Frankly, all the administrators are muppets, so I'm not too fussed whether it's an indian, australian or english foot on the throat of NZ cricket :). Financially, we're just a minnow that punches above our weight on the cricket field.



  • @Siam said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 bless you

    3 quick reasons backing the ordinary bowling line up appraisal?

    Got home after a night out and was extremely pissed. I think I thought I was posting in the mid 2000s. It's my only explanation cos I seriously don't remember writing that.

    I got the batting part right at least....



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @Siam said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 bless you

    3 quick reasons backing the ordinary bowling line up appraisal?

    Got home after a night out and was extremely pissed. I think I thought I was posting in the mid 2000s. It's my only explanation cos I seriously don't remember writing that.

    I got the batting part right at least....

    Well at least your not stuck in the mid 90s anymore. Progress.



  • @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @Siam said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 bless you

    3 quick reasons backing the ordinary bowling line up appraisal?

    Got home after a night out and was extremely pissed. I think I thought I was posting in the mid 2000s. It's my only explanation cos I seriously don't remember writing that.

    I got the batting part right at least....

    Well at least your not stuck in the mid 90s anymore. Progress.

    I always will be with music



  • @Chris-B said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    @canefan said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v India:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:

    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:

    The key to beating India in ODI cricket is get Kohli for less than a hundred. Also don't let them chase.

    The fluffybunny averages fucking 60 in ODIs. Hell he even hovers around 50 for T20s! Absolutely outrageous stats. Dhoni refuses to bloody retire as well, probably the greatest ever finisher in ODIs.

    I'd still go Michael Bevan but I get your point.

    I'm so fucked off my boy the Neesh is injured yet again.

    Bevan is the other name that springs to mind but he didn't have the same destructive hitting power that Dhoni has. They're almost a different era though, I don't think Bevan would be as effective today where batsmen are expected to hit their teams up to 350+ with 6 after 6.

    I recall him being great between the wickets and very good at keeping the runs ticking over. Different game then as you say

    i think what gets overlooked is Dhoni between the wickets, he's way quicker than a solidly-built 37 year old has any reason to be. Watch Tuesday night's chase for an example of ones turned in to twos that turned a tricky chase into a pretty easy one despite the boundaries not flowing.

    He's a strange one, though. He's got a tendency to fuck around until he's the only person who can win it for them - and if he gets out they're sunk. I thought he helped get Kohli out the other night with a lack of urgency - and in the first game he dabbed around getting something like 6 runs off 35 balls.

    If his powers have waned at all, then this could be an achilles heel for the Indians.

    He certainly doesn't panic when the RR starts creeping up. Where others would play a rash shot and get out, he takes full responsibility for getting the job done and makes sure he gets his eye in properly. I agree he can take that a bit far - first ODI he definitely went too slowly, but as m4l says he gets it done way more than not so hard to be too critical.



  • I'm expecting us to get pumped.
    This Indian team is seriously good. I'd be happy if we got a single W.
    We should be grateful they're resting Bumrah.



  • @No-Quarter Yeah - just that I've watched on several occasions where he's dug them (and himself) deep into a strike rate hole and then got out - and the cause is completely lost. The first ODI vs Oz was a good example.

    Might be that he simply doesn't rate the guys who come after him and thinks that him blocking the ball is more valuable than anyone else facing a ball - no matter how many times he does it. Could be right and probably he just has a better understanding than me (and most others) of how to play the game.

    But, his past 12 months haven't been stellar, so maybe like everyone else, Father Time is catching up. Look at the average and strike rate - and the strike rates of individual innings.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?class=2;spanmax1=17+Jan+2019;spanmin1=17+Jan+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

    Could be a point of weakness if he's going to dig them into holes along with the long tail that they're bringing.

    Knock over a couple early - two of Rohit, Kohli or Dhawan - and then Rayadu and Karthik aren't quite as fearsome.



  • @Chris-B Good points.

    I do think it's a bit like worrying if Dan Carter was going to fail us come World cup time - definitely possible but the career pedigree suggests it's quite low on the list of forcastable banana skins


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