China
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Not happy with us at all
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12204024
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@jegga well the Chinese ain't going to have to many countries to travel to if banning or going hard on Huawei is a factor. That's a tricky situation worldwide and really shows how vulnerable we are when the big boys are drawing lines in the sand. But (not surprisingly) sound like we've made a meal of clarifying our position or thinking with China.
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Would also suggest it could be an impossible task too, if they take a you are either with us or against us approach. But how we go about it, and what is said in the public arena is an important part of it. If we are going to get shafted I'd like to know in time to buy some lube.
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About time we started to distance ourselves from China - happy with that even if NZME, who have close "business" ties to China, aren't. The previous government got way too close to the Chinese Communist Party via their party donation/seats in parliament scheme which is why our allies viewed us as a weak link.
My old professor Robert Patman gives the best insight into the way China is trying to operate in the world: https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/382375/huawei-ad-hits-back-at-nz-govt-s-5g-decision
On a side note, if the CPC need someone to do their propaganda in NZ I can help. First tip: the fullback is never lifted in the line out
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China bullying.
In other news, the sky is blue.
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@MajorRage said in China:
China bullying.
In other news, the sky is blue.
Unless you're in China then it's red like our comrades who fought the great fight to defeat our enemies under the guidance of Mao.
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@MajorRage said in China:
China bullying.
In other news, the sky is blue.
The strongest always bully. Or did I miss the whole western colonization period thing? Or the west fighting over the Middle East thing? Or the US arranging assassinations in Central America?
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@Sneakdefreak with the levels of smog I don't think anyone can see the sky to contest that it isn't red!
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-E2fLRCMAA5x_F.jpgSub surface coral reef to military island base in six months, betcha those efficient fluffybunnies use Huawei
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@Machpants said in China:
Sub surface coral reef to military island base in six months, betcha those efficient fluffybunnies use Huawei
If anybody's ever seen the Terracotta Warriors, and/or the Great Wall, and/or the Three Gorges Dam... China does NOT fuck around.
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It's a fine line, how much shit do you want to take from China to keep their money. We already ignore their appalling human rights record, and expansionist trashing of tropical refs into polluted military bases. We've given police protection to an anti China writer, but not officially rebuked their govt. It seems we are drawing the line at having back doors in all our communications equipment, but are letting them hack the fuck out of the internet & social media ( hard to prove, Russia do it better anyway). But we are mainly cos UK, USA and Oz are doing it, I guess
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@Machpants I suspect our role in 5 eyes is a big factor in our stance on Huawei. If we weren't so tight on that network I wonder if we'd listen to the warnings from the USA etc then sign up anyway.
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@Paekakboyz said in China:
@Machpants I suspect our role in 5 eyes is a big factor in our stance on Huawei.
That's a good point and I can tell you now that you'd be kicked for introducing an unacceptable risk into the network. At best you'd be partitioned which would negate the point.
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@antipodean said in China:
@Paekakboyz said in China:
@Machpants I suspect our role in 5 eyes is a big factor in our stance on Huawei.
That's a good point and I can tell you now that you'd be kicked for introducing an unacceptable risk into the network. At best you'd be partitioned which would negate the point.
Unacceptable risk ?
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From stats.co.nz
"New Zealand’s two-way trade with China increased more than three-fold in the past decade, Stats NZ said today. It climbed from $8.6 billion in 2007 to $26.1 billion in the December 2017 calendar year."
So we just need to find $26.1b worth of customers outside of China. Doesn't sound too hard.........
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From stats.co.nz
"New Zealand’s two-way trade with China increased more than three-fold in the past decade, Stats NZ said today. It climbed from $8.6 billion in 2007 to $26.1 billion in the December 2017 calendar year."
So we just need to find $26.1b worth of customers outside of China. Doesn't sound too hard.........
The US does it's diplomacy with guns, China does it with economics
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Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
"I AM NOT A RACIST!!! I love the Yellow
PerilMan"
Trying to claim that he can’t be racist because Polynesians come from Taiwan is shameless even for him .
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Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
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@No-Quarter said in China:
Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
Their attitude to the Chinese reminds me of Uk Labours attitude to Jews. “We aren’t racist but they have lots of money and too much influence so it’s ok to single them out totally without being racist”.
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@No-Quarter said in China:
Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
Their attitude to the Chinese reminds me of Uk Labours attitude to Jews. “We aren’t racist but they have lots of money and too much influence so it’s ok to single them out totally without being racist”.
It surprises me his many people who are so pathetically woke in every other regard have a blind spot about Chinese people .Yellow privilege?
It's difficult because China is such a vital trading partner, but when they do utterly fucked up shit they should be able to be called out on it. Imagine if the US went bottom lip at every perceived slight.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel or held their nerve around some of the behaviour of their gulf region friends.
Pretty much everyone looks the other way when a vital trading/regional partner is doing some iffy shit. Which is shit but has been going on since year dot.
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@Paekakboyz said in China:
@Rancid-Schnitzel or held their nerve around some of the behaviour of their gulf region friends.
Pretty much everyone looks the other way when a vital trading/regional partner is doing some iffy shit. Which is shit but has been going on since year dot.
Agree, but it also depends on what that iffy shit is. Do we always count the bucks and never draw the line at anything?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in China:
@No-Quarter said in China:
Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
Their attitude to the Chinese reminds me of Uk Labours attitude to Jews. “We aren’t racist but they have lots of money and too much influence so it’s ok to single them out totally without being racist”.
It surprises me his many people who are so pathetically woke in every other regard have a blind spot about Chinese people .Yellow privilege?
It's difficult because China is such a vital trading partner, but when they do utterly fucked up shit they should be able to be called out on it. Imagine if the US went bottom lip at every perceived slight.
The blur the line between Chinese people and the govt the same way the uk equivalent does with Israel and the Jews
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in China:
@No-Quarter said in China:
Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
Their attitude to the Chinese reminds me of Uk Labours attitude to Jews. “We aren’t racist but they have lots of money and too much influence so it’s ok to single them out totally without being racist”.
It surprises me his many people who are so pathetically woke in every other regard have a blind spot about Chinese people .Yellow privilege?
It's difficult because China is such a vital trading partner, but when they do utterly fucked up shit they should be able to be called out on it. Imagine if the US went bottom lip at every perceived slight.
The blur the line between Chinese people and the govt the same way the uk equivalent does with Israel and the Jews
Yeah that shit is fucked up. There are millions of Chinese people who have never even set foot in China let alone had anything to do with their govt.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel it's sad aye... a lot of us (in the general sense) talk how ethics and treatment of people matters. But when taking a stand suddenly has a $$ factor or impact the gloss and/or mandate to follow through comes off pretty fast!!
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Nothing at the billions of dollars level is about ethics. A casual glance at the oil and drug industries shows that.
You either choose to take the billions or you don't. In this case, considering the fact that China could whup us in an afternoon, it might be better to continue the ethics delusions for practicality reasons.
Or have no money and convince everyone that hunger is worth it for ethical purity -
Nothing at the billions of dollars level is about ethics. A casual glance at the oil and drug industries shows that.
You either choose to take the billions or you don't. In this case, considering the fact that China could whup us in an afternoon, it might be better to continue the ethics delusions for practicality reasons.
Or have no money and convince everyone that hunger is worth it for ethical puritySo true. It's not like these deals and relationships were established in complete ignorance that China is a one-party dictatorship with a rather appalling human rights record.
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We are not going to forego our trade deals just because they run their country different to how we would like it run.
Apart from North Korea, who else aren't we allowed to Trade with?
Iran and Russia have sanctions, Russia bought Winston back in about 2016 and he’s been whining about sanctions and condoning their behaviour ever since .
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Our country is run by functioning retards
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12204757
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