Christchurch Gunman in Mosque



  • NZ cricket awards just had the most tedious speech ever. Grant Robertson really is odious.



  • @Sneakdefreak said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    You're reading too much into it.
    She has done a sit down interview with a few media outlets, Al Jazeera and BBC are two I've seen, and has been doing interviews on some of our breakfast shows.

    There is a difference between doing a sit down with an NZ based corrospondent with Al Jazeera or BBC's global affairs correspondent who both happen to be there reporting on the event and handpicking a foreign host of what is ostensibly an opinion show on Australia's third network to fly overseas for an exclusive.

    I don't know much about Waleed

    The sit down aspect isn't so much what bothers me (although I can't recall sit downs after similar events overseas) as who/why the person was selected.



  • It would be so great if the nzh stopped giving that fuckstick "bishop" an extra platform for his bullshit.



  • @Mokey said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    It would be so great if the nzh stopped giving that fuckstick "bishop" an extra platform for his bullshit.

    It's just clickbait, but in very poor taste. NZH lowering the bar then crawling under it again



  • @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @rotated said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    I'm going to be very specific and careful with this comment and am mindful I have preconcieved notions about both people...

    But reading the story about the Project calling out Australian PM Scott Morrison was this nugget

    “If anything paints a clearer picture on the state of Australian politics today it is this; after Waleed made that genuine, thoughtful, and reasoned contribution on Friday night — a plea for our community to come together — the Prime Minister of our country threatened to sue,” Macdonald said.
    “In contrast, New Zealand’s Prime Minister invited Waleed to her country to sit down for an interview.

    Ardern has done a pretty admiral job so far IMO, but I really have to question what value does actively seeking out a sit down interview with a foreign journalist have at this point other than vanity and virtue signalling?

    I may be reading too much into it and I absolutely have a preconceived notion about her motivations after the baby and UN antics, but to me a sit down interview for a leader with a foreign journo a week out from something like this seems... odd?

    Have a press conference every day for the next fortnight, but this? Nah.

    Waleed is a divisive character at the best of times. I agree I see no point to it.

    Simply stunning.

    Squalid Ali lied grandly about something Morrison is said to have said which, after a little research, has not passed muster. He proudly sports a black belt in taqiya and a gold logie in evasive - Squalid on people having their heads blown off and guts shredded by the uncivilised:

    "a far more sober, pragmatic recognition that terrorism is a perpetual irritant, and that while it is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people and is not any kind of existential threat."

    "Arden’s media advisor" will have been well aware of this.

    From antipodean 2 days ago
    "I'll save you all a read: Waleed is a hypocritical apologist."

    A pair of poorly educated rank opportunists seizing the occasion.



  • A bunch of radical left wing groups, including the Greens and Auckland Peace Action (FFS) hijacked the vigil at Auckland Domain to talk about colonialism (what?) and smear all white people with the attack. At a vigil that was meant to bring people together to mourn the victims. These people have absolutely no morals. It's narcissism on steroids.



  • I assume Marama Davison was yelling out fluffybunny.

    How hard is it to differentiate between a vigil and a rally..



  • Marama Davidson and Golriz Gharaman have been attention whoring and race baiting since the moment the story broke . It ranges from veiled threats at the “ pale”

    To ludicrous levels of narcissism in the wake of a tragedy

    I hope to god the greens are gone next election, if these people ever actually get some power it’s a terrifying thought.

    Speaking of minor parties , Winston got sent out of the country for a while. That’s fairly convenient given his racist , anti immigration , anti Muslim platform got him elected. Of course the media are obsessed with nationals anti un global platform petition and there’s been scarcely a mention of Winston’s past ranting .

    Some of the other shameless attention whoring and finger pointing from bloggers like Russell Brown the commenters on the standard and op ed authors has been disgusting . Try and keep a tally of how many times Ms Kane uses the words “i” “me” or “my”in this attention seeking drivel



  • @jegga enhoyed reading the replies to the fluffybunnies tweet, good to see others calling her out as the racist she is



  • Well there's the win for Brenton Harrison Tarrant.

    He wanted division.

    He's got it.



  • I guess if it's fine to point out white privilege and collective responsibility for extremism, racism etc. then that argument holds for all Muslims being responsible for Islamist fanatics?

    Because I kept hearing how it's unreasonable and idiotic to hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of the statistically insignificant. Then when a "lone wolf" came out they'd always complain the narrative was different. Now the narrative is the same which leads considerable credence to the original...



  • Sorry, but every reference to what is in his document will be deleted

    I know its relevant to the discussion but we are being cautious



  • @antipodean said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    I guess if it's fine to point out white privilege and collective responsibility for extremism, racism etc. then that argument holds for all Muslims being responsible for Islamist fanatics?

    Because I kept hearing how it's unreasonable and idiotic to hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of the statistically insignificant. Then when a "lone wolf" came out they'd always complain the narrative was different. Now the narrative is the same which leads considerable credence to the original...

    You're obviously a white supremacist



  • @jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Marama Davidson and Golriz Gharaman have been attention whoring and race baiting since the moment the story broke . It ranges from veiled threats at the “ pale”

    To ludicrous levels of narcissism in the wake of a tragedy

    I hope to god the greens are gone next election, if these people ever actually get some power it’s a terrifying thought.

    Speaking of minor parties , Winston got sent out of the country for a while. That’s fairly convenient given his racist , anti immigration , anti Muslim platform got him elected. Of course the media are obsessed with nationals anti un global platform petition and there’s been scarcely a mention of Winston’s past ranting .

    Some of the other shameless attention whoring and finger pointing from bloggers like Russell Brown the commenters on the standard and op ed authors has been disgusting . Try and keep a tally of how many times Ms Kane uses the words “i” “me” or “my”in this attention seeking drivel

    "my" Muslim community ? how self centred and "me me me" can a person possibly fucken get ? I can't wait to see the follow up piece in a few weeks when Brodie has opened a mosque in her backyard.

    Fuck off you attention whore......



  • @jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Marama Davidson and Golriz Gharaman have been attention whoring and race baiting since the moment the story broke . It ranges from veiled threats at the “ pale”

    To ludicrous levels of narcissism in the wake of a tragedy

    I hope to god the greens are gone next election, if these people ever actually get some power it’s a terrifying thought.

    Speaking of minor parties , Winston got sent out of the country for a while. That’s fairly convenient given his racist , anti immigration , anti Muslim platform got him elected. Of course the media are obsessed with nationals anti un global platform petition and there’s been scarcely a mention of Winston’s past ranting .

    Some of the other shameless attention whoring and finger pointing from bloggers like Russell Brown the commenters on the standard and op ed authors has been disgusting . Try and keep a tally of how many times Ms Kane uses the words “i” “me” or “my”in this attention seeking drivel

    If I could be at all bothered I would ask her what is it that she is going to "do better"?

    Specifically.

    And what is that she is doing wrong?



  • @booboo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Marama Davidson and Golriz Gharaman have been attention whoring and race baiting since the moment the story broke . It ranges from veiled threats at the “ pale”

    To ludicrous levels of narcissism in the wake of a tragedy

    I hope to god the greens are gone next election, if these people ever actually get some power it’s a terrifying thought.

    Speaking of minor parties , Winston got sent out of the country for a while. That’s fairly convenient given his racist , anti immigration , anti Muslim platform got him elected. Of course the media are obsessed with nationals anti un global platform petition and there’s been scarcely a mention of Winston’s past ranting .

    Some of the other shameless attention whoring and finger pointing from bloggers like Russell Brown the commenters on the standard and op ed authors has been disgusting . Try and keep a tally of how many times Ms Kane uses the words “i” “me” or “my”in this attention seeking drivel

    If I could be at all bothered I would ask her what is it that she is going to "do better"?

    Specifically.

    And what is that she is doing wrong?

    I'm bored. I read it.

    Apparently she can no longer go to work in her nice car and talk on the radio and go to the gym and back to her nice house.

    So in summary I think she's going to give the Muslim community her house, her car, her job and her gym membership.



  • I made a slightly self indulgent FB post yesterday saying how my folks and I took my sons to the Mosque to give some flowers. To reiterate a sentiment which thankfully has prevailed over the likes of any bullshit rhetoric and "white shame" crap that some people have chosen to push their own self indulgence the three generations of my family were all humbled and felt so welcome as we joined the Muslim community of Kilbirnie and all shared a few moments of reflection.

    It was incredibly moving, there was a bit of dust in the room and I'm so glad I actually ponied up and went, my boys appreciated that not everyone in life is as lucky as they are.

    I've made the odd flippant remark ( well more than "the odd" ) like so many people about other races and religions but there is a MASSIVE difference between doing that and gunning down 50 innocent people.

    Shitcunts in the Green party would do well to think about that from time to time.



  • Sorry, looks like I kicked off a series of rants there but gezz it's hard not to comment about these bloody narcissists. Which is probably exactly what they want, so maybe I need to take a bit of a break from social and mainstream media.

    Radical lefties and the alt-right really are two sides of the same coin.



  • @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    I made a slightly self indulgent FB post yesterday saying how my folks and I took my sons to the Mosque to give some flowers. To reiterate a sentiment which thankfully has prevailed over the likes of any bullshit rhetoric and "white shame" crap that some people have chosen to push their own self indulgence the three generations of my family were all humbled and felt so welcome as we joined the Muslim community of Kilbirnie and all shared a few moments of reflection.

    It was incredibly moving, there was a bit of dust in the room and I'm so glad I actually ponied up and went, my boys appreciated that not everyone in life is as lucky as they are.

    I've made the odd flippant remark ( well more than "the odd" ) like so many people about other races and religions but there is a MASSIVE difference between doing that and gunning down 50 innocent people.

    Shitcunts in the Green party would do well to think about that from time to time.

    Yeah we shouldn't get too caught up on the fringe nutters, the response from the majority of NZ has been phenomenal and has made me proud to be an NZer.



  • @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Sorry, looks like I kicked off a series of rants there but gezz it's hard not to comment about these bloody narcissists. Which is probably exactly what they want, so maybe I need to take a bit of a break from social and mainstream media.

    Radical lefties and the alt-right really are two sides of the same coin.

    Nail head dude. The gunman ( and I still don't know his name without googling ) could have easily supported Isis instead and gunned down a church full of Christians.



  • Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.

    None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.



  • @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.

    None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.

    It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.

    None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.

    It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset

    Respect towards whom?



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.

    None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.

    It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset

    Respect towards whom?

    Those who died. Let's not play the cat and mouse game. Just state your position if you want to



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.

    None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.

    It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset

    Respect towards whom?

    Those who died. Let's not play the cat and mouse game. Just state your position if you want to

    Not cat and mouse, you know plenty of Muslims dont believe in the hijab and think it isnt a good thing? How do you know the thoughtd of the victims or all the victims families. The hajib is a controversial subject within Islam and outside. So if you want to show respect why choose a side? What if some of the victims vehemently didnt want thier wives and daughters subjugated in that way? Not much respect involved at all. Just subjugation.



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.

    None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.

    It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset

    Respect towards whom?

    Those who died. Let's not play the cat and mouse game. Just state your position if you want to

    The point is it was not respectful to a sizeable number of Muslim women, in fact the exact opposite. There are thousands of ways to show respect and support for the wider Muslim community without alienating many of them. Donning a garb that has been and still is used as a tool to oppress millions of women around the world was a very poor choice (that's being kind). That should have been obvious to someone that calls herself a feminist.



  • Dear Golly G,

    Just a quick question about justice.

    Who deserves justice?

    Radovan Karadzic?
    Brenton Harrison Tarrant?
    Simon Bikindi?



  • Oh, probably all of them?



  • @canefan Just for you.... still feel good about the gesture?



  • @canefan And yet more "freedom" and "respect"



  • One thing I've been thinking about but haven't really seen it discussed is Nicky Hager and also the Greens campaigning against state surveillance. In fact, around this time last year Nicky Hager was appointed as part of a group to oversee these agencies which was an absurd appointment.

    Would be interested to hear if this group has made any changes since forming, and what they think about this terrorist slipping through the cracks given many of them have advocated for no surveillance at all.



  • Not a good look, the old 'Blame it on the Jews'...ironically (well not if you know anything about the extremist groups that run these rallies) at Auckland's rally against racism.



  • @No-Quarter have any enquiries been started yet?

    There will be numerous ones done I expect, but yes will be interesting to see what comes out of it.

    The GCSE and surveillance was a big issue a few years back, and you would hope that there havent been any relaxing or changes around this that might have prevented this.

    Nicky Hagar being on that committee was a fucking joke, how can he be considered remotely impartial or fair in his assessment of it.



  • @taniwharugby It would be funny if they were criticised for dropping the ball and he among others was implicated, seeing as he is all into less oversight and all that



  • so the 'alleged' fuckstick has made a complaint about being denied use of a phone, TV or any contact with people...seriously though, given what he did, this cnut should have every single basic human right revoked bar being given 4 walls, a bed, running water and some food.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111672304/alleged-christchurch-mosque-shooter-makes-formal-complaint-from-prison



  • @taniwharugby I understand your anger mate but we've got civilised standards for incarceration which I believe we must uphold.

    My anger is more directed to the media vultures for reporting anything about him.

    Again Adern missed another trick here. At the outset she should have explained to all NZers that this criminal case is certain. He will be tried in private and will be incarcerated for his entire life. He will spend that life away from other inmates. His future will be of no interest or consequence to NZers. He will die in a cell. She could have issued legislation or strong recommendations that no media outlets were to publish or report on his life since being arrested and to all intents and purposes his life in the public eye is over. She could have stressed that clickbait media about him should be viewed with derision and disgust by decent NZers.

    This will be the treatment for all crimes like this - he will essentially not exist in the minds of the new zealanders. The message to other wannabe martyrs to follow is clear, you get locked up in anonymity for ever.

    He gets a cell and none of the attention he craves and which motivated him.

    Exceptional treatment for exceptional circumstances.

    She won't though, she'll see the outrage like me and you feel for this gutter journalism as another great opportunity to thrust herself front and centre in the public eye, hoping people will forget kiwibuild and other failings on her watch.

    We have mores in the fern for not reporting some things, I think we should do the same for clickbait about this utter fluffybunny. Not a rule, but perhaps an agreement we could all make voluntarily



  • @Siam all he deserves is to be locked in a cell with the bare basics, agree that the media shouldnt give him anything though.

    He lost all his rights to being treated civilly when he treated others lives as nothing.



  • @taniwharugby for sure mate, so how do WE deal with that? I say we take it into our own hands to properly ignore the fluffybunny. Fuck being slaves to a dishonest and discredited media.



  • @Siam problem is, the media will be lapping it all up, people still click on thier BS...



  • @taniwharugby yep such is our society where, seemingly, we're all lemmings to this rancid media business model.

    But do we have to be....?


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