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@MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I made a slightly self indulgent FB post yesterday saying how my folks and I took my sons to the Mosque to give some flowers. To reiterate a sentiment which thankfully has prevailed over the likes of any bullshit rhetoric and "white shame" crap that some people have chosen to push their own self indulgence the three generations of my family were all humbled and felt so welcome as we joined the Muslim community of Kilbirnie and all shared a few moments of reflection.
It was incredibly moving, there was a bit of dust in the room and I'm so glad I actually ponied up and went, my boys appreciated that not everyone in life is as lucky as they are.
I've made the odd flippant remark ( well more than "the odd" ) like so many people about other races and religions but there is a MASSIVE difference between doing that and gunning down 50 innocent people.
Shitcunts in the Green party would do well to think about that from time to time.
Yeah we shouldn't get too caught up on the fringe nutters, the response from the majority of NZ has been phenomenal and has made me proud to be an NZer.
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@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Sorry, looks like I kicked off a series of rants there but gezz it's hard not to comment about these bloody narcissists. Which is probably exactly what they want, so maybe I need to take a bit of a break from social and mainstream media.
Radical lefties and the alt-right really are two sides of the same coin.
Nail head dude. The gunman ( and I still don't know his name without googling ) could have easily supported Isis instead and gunned down a church full of Christians.
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Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.
None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.
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@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.
None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.
It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.
None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.
It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset
Respect towards whom?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.
None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.
It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset
Respect towards whom?
Those who died. Let's not play the cat and mouse game. Just state your position if you want to
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.
None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.
It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset
Respect towards whom?
Those who died. Let's not play the cat and mouse game. Just state your position if you want to
Not cat and mouse, you know plenty of Muslims dont believe in the hijab and think it isnt a good thing? How do you know the thoughtd of the victims or all the victims families. The hajib is a controversial subject within Islam and outside. So if you want to show respect why choose a side? What if some of the victims vehemently didnt want thier wives and daughters subjugated in that way? Not much respect involved at all. Just subjugation.
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.
None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.
It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset
Respect towards whom?
Those who died. Let's not play the cat and mouse game. Just state your position if you want to
The point is it was not respectful to a sizeable number of Muslim women, in fact the exact opposite. There are thousands of ways to show respect and support for the wider Muslim community without alienating many of them. Donning a garb that has been and still is used as a tool to oppress millions of women around the world was a very poor choice (that's being kind). That should have been obvious to someone that calls herself a feminist.
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@canefan And yet more "freedom" and "respect"
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One thing I've been thinking about but haven't really seen it discussed is Nicky Hager and also the Greens campaigning against state surveillance. In fact, around this time last year Nicky Hager was appointed as part of a group to oversee these agencies which was an absurd appointment.
Would be interested to hear if this group has made any changes since forming, and what they think about this terrorist slipping through the cracks given many of them have advocated for no surveillance at all.
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@No-Quarter have any enquiries been started yet?
There will be numerous ones done I expect, but yes will be interesting to see what comes out of it.
The GCSE and surveillance was a big issue a few years back, and you would hope that there havent been any relaxing or changes around this that might have prevented this.
Nicky Hagar being on that committee was a fucking joke, how can he be considered remotely impartial or fair in his assessment of it.
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@taniwharugby It would be funny if they were criticised for dropping the ball and he among others was implicated, seeing as he is all into less oversight and all that
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so the 'alleged' fuckstick has made a complaint about being denied use of a phone, TV or any contact with people...seriously though, given what he did, this cnut should have every single basic human right revoked bar being given 4 walls, a bed, running water and some food.
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@taniwharugby I understand your anger mate but we've got civilised standards for incarceration which I believe we must uphold.
My anger is more directed to the media vultures for reporting anything about him.
Again Adern missed another trick here. At the outset she should have explained to all NZers that this criminal case is certain. He will be tried in private and will be incarcerated for his entire life. He will spend that life away from other inmates. His future will be of no interest or consequence to NZers. He will die in a cell. She could have issued legislation or strong recommendations that no media outlets were to publish or report on his life since being arrested and to all intents and purposes his life in the public eye is over. She could have stressed that clickbait media about him should be viewed with derision and disgust by decent NZers.
This will be the treatment for all crimes like this - he will essentially not exist in the minds of the new zealanders. The message to other wannabe martyrs to follow is clear, you get locked up in anonymity for ever.
He gets a cell and none of the attention he craves and which motivated him.
Exceptional treatment for exceptional circumstances.
She won't though, she'll see the outrage like me and you feel for this gutter journalism as another great opportunity to thrust herself front and centre in the public eye, hoping people will forget kiwibuild and other failings on her watch.
We have mores in the fern for not reporting some things, I think we should do the same for clickbait about this utter fluffybunny. Not a rule, but perhaps an agreement we could all make voluntarily
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@taniwharugby for sure mate, so how do WE deal with that? I say we take it into our own hands to properly ignore the fluffybunny. Fuck being slaves to a dishonest and discredited media.
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