Christchurch Gunman in Mosque



  • @No-Quarter have any enquiries been started yet?

    There will be numerous ones done I expect, but yes will be interesting to see what comes out of it.

    The GCSE and surveillance was a big issue a few years back, and you would hope that there havent been any relaxing or changes around this that might have prevented this.

    Nicky Hagar being on that committee was a fucking joke, how can he be considered remotely impartial or fair in his assessment of it.



  • @taniwharugby It would be funny if they were criticised for dropping the ball and he among others was implicated, seeing as he is all into less oversight and all that



  • so the 'alleged' fuckstick has made a complaint about being denied use of a phone, TV or any contact with people...seriously though, given what he did, this cnut should have every single basic human right revoked bar being given 4 walls, a bed, running water and some food.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111672304/alleged-christchurch-mosque-shooter-makes-formal-complaint-from-prison



  • @taniwharugby I understand your anger mate but we've got civilised standards for incarceration which I believe we must uphold.

    My anger is more directed to the media vultures for reporting anything about him.

    Again Adern missed another trick here. At the outset she should have explained to all NZers that this criminal case is certain. He will be tried in private and will be incarcerated for his entire life. He will spend that life away from other inmates. His future will be of no interest or consequence to NZers. He will die in a cell. She could have issued legislation or strong recommendations that no media outlets were to publish or report on his life since being arrested and to all intents and purposes his life in the public eye is over. She could have stressed that clickbait media about him should be viewed with derision and disgust by decent NZers.

    This will be the treatment for all crimes like this - he will essentially not exist in the minds of the new zealanders. The message to other wannabe martyrs to follow is clear, you get locked up in anonymity for ever.

    He gets a cell and none of the attention he craves and which motivated him.

    Exceptional treatment for exceptional circumstances.

    She won't though, she'll see the outrage like me and you feel for this gutter journalism as another great opportunity to thrust herself front and centre in the public eye, hoping people will forget kiwibuild and other failings on her watch.

    We have mores in the fern for not reporting some things, I think we should do the same for clickbait about this utter fluffybunny. Not a rule, but perhaps an agreement we could all make voluntarily



  • @Siam all he deserves is to be locked in a cell with the bare basics, agree that the media shouldnt give him anything though.

    He lost all his rights to being treated civilly when he treated others lives as nothing.



  • @taniwharugby for sure mate, so how do WE deal with that? I say we take it into our own hands to properly ignore the fluffybunny. Fuck being slaves to a dishonest and discredited media.



  • @Siam problem is, the media will be lapping it all up, people still click on thier BS...



  • @taniwharugby yep such is our society where, seemingly, we're all lemmings to this rancid media business model.

    But do we have to be....?



  • @Siam how do you get everyone to make a stand?

    I never knowingly click on 2 idiots that call themselves sports journos, but they are still employed oblvious to the ramblings of people such as me.

    So little actual journalism these days, usually just opinion or puff peices with an agenda.



  • @taniwharugby I know it's not easy, neither is an effective strategy

    Perhaps a mental stop and think. Then ignore. I mean there is no info about him that we need to know so fuck it, let nothing in.

    Tell people it's not a subject worth conversing on.

    Certainly no sharing. But it's hard, though I do believe even individual efforts en Masse is at least better than a resounding" that's just the way life is" . Some say all the stupid noise emanates from 8% of the popn. They don't represent my views and I refuse to bow down to them, whatever the names I'm called.

    I'm sick of being led by the nose about what is acceptable in a continual dysfunctional narrative.

    But mostly bro, I don't know anything except fuck these media and social media companies



  • @Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @taniwharugby I know it's not easy, neither is an effective strategy

    Perhaps a mental stop and think. Then ignore. I mean there is no info about him that we need to know so fuck it, let nothing in.

    Tell people it's not a subject worth conversing on.

    Certainly no sharing. But it's hard, though I do believe even individual efforts en Masse is at least better than a resounding" that's just the way life is" . Some say all the stupid noise emanates from 8% of the popn. They don't represent my views and I refuse to bow down to them, whatever the names I'm called.

    I'm sick of being led by the nose about what is acceptable in a continual dysfunctional narrative.

    But mostly bro, I don't know anything except fuck these media and social media companies

    MSM is as bad as outlets like the Woman's Day these days. The shit they spill is brain melting but people still lap it up. Since the days of the Christians and the Romans, people have lapped up drivel



  • @canefan agree but not totally. Before about 5-10 years ago the public were way more discerning. We all grew up with truth ( not sensationalism) as a cornerstone to society. Fake news was given no oxygen to live. The Truth newspaper was a fun rag, and universally condemned as a creditable source. The distrust of previously strong institutions ( media, justice, politics) is a real thing that needs to be addressed

    Just recognising it is a start

    Time to push back and actually not encourage these messages which only serve to corrupt our mindsets.

    There's a great Sam Harris podcast this week talking about it if interested.



  • @Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan agree but not totally. Before about 5-10 years ago the public were way more discerning. We all grew up with truth ( not sensationalism) as a cornerstone to society. Fake news was given no oxygen to live. The Truth newspaper was a fun rag, and universally condemned as a creditable source. The distrust of previously strong institutions ( media, justice, politics) is a real thing that needs to be addressed

    Just recognising it is a start

    Time to push back and actually not encourage these messages which only serve to corrupt our mindsets.

    There's a great Sam Harris podcast this week talking about it if interested.

    We didn't have so many alternate information sources as we do now either. Some legitimate, others more marginal. Either way, MSM are under more pressure than ever to maintain their business and journalist standards seem to have slipped. But I think the news has always been delivered on an angle, it's just easier to see now



  • I feel the same way about shitlebrities and politicians using the massacre for their own publicity seeking or race baiting .

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111582476/wellmeaning-pkeh-you-must-get-out-of-the-way-of-the-muslim-communitys-healing



  • @jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    I feel the same way about shitlebrities and politicians using the massacre for their own publicity seeking or race baiting .

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111582476/wellmeaning-pkeh-you-must-get-out-of-the-way-of-the-muslim-communitys-healing

    Seemingly completely different characters but yet those Elders are just as fucken annoying as eachother. I wonder how many thoughts and prayers Millie has sent ?



  • Another thing I wish Adern would have done from the outset is to have referred to the victims as kiwis and completely left religious identity out of it. We all know the intersectionality. First and foremost these people we feel deep sympathy for are New Zealanders. All other sub group labels (religion, age, sex, left or right handed etc) are less relevant and are only convenient for identitarians to selfishly virtue signal.

    She should have brushed away the obvious and united all of us under a kiwi backdrop. Fellow kiwis suffered on that day and that's what's most important.

    But no, she goes all dress up and points to the elephant in the room by dividing us on the basis of religion, thereby opening the door to shit pieces like the one jegga posted.

    Keep the narrative that kiwis were killed and it's kiwis that need our help in terrible times, (which ordinary kiwis did magnificently). You don't deny the religion, but it plays a backseat role when addressing the nation and the world.



  • Oh good then...is it just be or this this verging on a puff piece for NZ gangs.

    There was an article a few days back showing a 'emotional haka' by one of these groups at a mosque. One person put a pretty damning heartfelt comment stating that a couple of the men being praised were up on rape and home invasion charges. Kinda infuriating but I guess thats the point for clicks

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111594950/gangs-bosses-say-weapons-wont-be-handed-back-after-christchurch-mosque-shooting



  • @Siam so you wouldn't mention the racial and religious bigotry / hatred that led to the mass murders?



  • @dogmeat no mate, simply because everyone with a functioning brain has noticed the religious hatred and bigotry motivated murders that have permeated life since 2001.

    At the outset the focus should have been the care and support for victims and families and those immediately affected. The narrative could have been focussed on kiwis rather than a sub group when we were trying to digest what happened.

    Time to address the other issues later, for now (then) it was rallying around new zealanders.

    That would have been a unifying and more mature message in my opinion



  • @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    The gunman ( and I still don't know his name without googling ) ...

    I’ve been wondering the past two weeks whether this is by design. I suspect it is, mostly because of the idea that we don’t want to give the sickfuck psychopath “infamy and notoriety” or something. Maybe there are other explanations.

    But burying his name seems to me irresponsible and inadequate. It’s a way of absolving him of some of the blame and spreading it far-and-wide onto “toxic white masculinity and privilege,” especially, which let’s face it means a lot of us here. Like, we did it. That’s why we keep seeing fingers pointed at ourselves with far too many confessional white-guilt op-eds telling us “we’re to blame,” etc. Am I being defensive? Maybe I am. But that’s what happens when people start fingerpointing and throwing around blame. And I suspect this is exactly the sort of highly emotional and divisive effect that the dickwad terrorist was banking on.

    No, we and society are not to blame. Sure, there are a lot of factors you can pull outta your bunghole if you want to absolve the sicko. But he’s the shitforbrains who planned and executed this appalling crime. His name is Brenton Harrison Tarrant, and he ALONE is responsible for it. Certainly we can all do better as a culture and society making sure everybody feels included. But we are ALL individuals responsible for our own actions, and fingers don’t need to be pointed anywhere other than the sickfuck who planned the assault and pulled the triggers.



  • @dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Siam so you wouldn't mention the racial and religious bigotry / hatred that led to the mass murders?

    Well apparently according to the censor.. we arent allowed to know what led to this mass murder.. our fragile brains cannot be allowed to see it. We must just be told by the govt why he did it...



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    The gunman ( and I still don't know his name without googling ) ...

    I’ve been wondering the past two weeks whether this is by design. I suspect it is, mostly because of the idea that we don’t want to give the sickfuck psychopath “infamy and notoriety” or something. Maybe there are other explanations.

    But burying his name seems to me irresponsible and inadequate. It’s a way of absolving him of some of the blame and spreading it far-and-wide onto “toxic white masculinity and privilege,” especially, which let’s face it means a lot of us here. Like, we did it. That’s why we keep seeing fingers pointed at ourselves with far too many confessional white-guilt op-eds telling us “we’re to blame,” etc. Am I being defensive? Maybe I am. But that’s what happens when people start fingerpointing and throwing around blame. And I suspect this is exactly the sort of highly emotional and divisive effect that the dickwad terrorist was banking on.

    No, we and society are not to blame. Sure, there are a lot of factors you can pull outta your bunghole if you want to absolve the sicko of his crime. But he’s the shitforbrains who planned and executed this appalling crime. His name is Brenton Harrison Tarrant, and he ALONE is responsible for the crime. Certainly we can all do better as a culture and society making sure everybody feels included. But we are ALL individuals responsible for our own actions, and fingers don’t need to be pointed anywhere other than the sickfuck who planned the assault and pulled the triggers.

    Outstanding post !

    To put it more simply for any feminists who might be reading. I didn't kill Grace Millane and I didn't kill all those people in the mosque either.

    Can't say for sure but I have a feeling none of my fellow ferners did either.



  • Media finally covering this. Good to see.



  • Things are getting more ridiculous by the day



  • @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that



  • @canefan

    Agree .....It was basically a sign of unity and respect to those executed in cold blood.....Everyone was talking compassion and empathy and that was a way to show it.

    I agree with baron too, but think that’s a separate issue and doesn’t form part of the mosque shooting narrative.



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    It's not a symbol of the Muslim faith. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the Koran or Haddith. It's just a tool males have used to oppress women, and those Muslim feminists that were deeply offended by the "gesture" had every right to be. Our PM that calls herself a feminist as well should have known better.



  • @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    It's not a symbol of the Muslim faith. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the Koran or Haddith. It's just a tool males have used to oppress women, and those Muslim feminists that were deeply offended by the "gesture" had every right to be. Our PM that calls herself a feminist as well should have known better.

    Poor old Jacinda was fucked either way though, if she didn't wear it any number of critics would have had a go at her for that too.



  • @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    It's not a symbol of the Muslim faith. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the Koran or Haddith. It's just a tool males have used to oppress women, and those Muslim feminists that were deeply offended by the "gesture" had every right to be. Our PM that calls herself a feminist as well should have known better.

    Poor old Jacinda was fucked either way though, if she didn't wear it any number of critics would have had a go at her for that too.

    I think Jacinda has come out of this glowingly in terms of overall public perception of her. I would be interested in her polling before and after the attacks?



  • @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    It's not a symbol of the Muslim faith. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the Koran or Haddith. It's just a tool males have used to oppress women, and those Muslim feminists that were deeply offended by the "gesture" had every right to be. Our PM that calls herself a feminist as well should have known better.

    Poor old Jacinda was fucked either way though, if she didn't wear it any number of critics would have had a go at her for that too.

    I don't think so, if she showed her empathy with her speeches and actions by visiting the victims and the Mosques without the hijab, I doubt anybody would have mentioned her not wearing it.

    Wearing it is a small sign of approval of the subjegation of women by that religion.



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    Rubbish, I was not talking about it long term, I think it was disrespectful at the time. Many Muslim women find the Hajib oppressive, it is NOT some universally accepted rule in the Islamic world. But you seem to find that very difficult to understand, and until you can understand that I can see why picking a side and virtue signalling out of ignorance has some appeal. I suggest you actually read the article posted above with an open mind.



  • @MN5 yeah poor Jacinda, politics is so cruel.



  • @Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    It's not a symbol of the Muslim faith. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the Koran or Haddith. It's just a tool males have used to oppress women, and those Muslim feminists that were deeply offended by the "gesture" had every right to be. Our PM that calls herself a feminist as well should have known better.

    Poor old Jacinda was fucked either way though, if she didn't wear it any number of critics would have had a go at her for that too.

    I think Jacinda has come out of this glowingly in terms of overall public perception of her. I would be interested in her polling before and after the attacks?

    I agree with you, dont think it is justified, but if The First Baby and Jacinda-mania has taught us anything.. it is that most NZ voters are fucking morons.



  • @Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    It's not a symbol of the Muslim faith. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the Koran or Haddith. It's just a tool males have used to oppress women, and those Muslim feminists that were deeply offended by the "gesture" had every right to be. Our PM that calls herself a feminist as well should have known better.

    Poor old Jacinda was fucked either way though, if she didn't wear it any number of critics would have had a go at her for that too.

    I think Jacinda has come out of this glowingly in terms of overall public perception of her. I would be interested in her polling before and after the attacks?

    Yep she has, even some of my real hard out right wing FB mates made mention of this which to me says it all. She's been awesome.



  • @Kirwan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    It's not a symbol of the Muslim faith. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the Koran or Haddith. It's just a tool males have used to oppress women, and those Muslim feminists that were deeply offended by the "gesture" had every right to be. Our PM that calls herself a feminist as well should have known better.

    Poor old Jacinda was fucked either way though, if she didn't wear it any number of critics would have had a go at her for that too.

    I don't think so, if she showed her empathy with her speeches and actions by visiting the victims and the Mosques without the hijab, I doubt anybody would have mentioned her not wearing it.

    Wearing it is a small sign of approval of the subjegation of women by that religion.

    Fair enough, happy to stand corrected in this instance.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    It's not a symbol of the Muslim faith. It's not even mentioned anywhere in the Koran or Haddith. It's just a tool males have used to oppress women, and those Muslim feminists that were deeply offended by the "gesture" had every right to be. Our PM that calls herself a feminist as well should have known better.

    Poor old Jacinda was fucked either way though, if she didn't wear it any number of critics would have had a go at her for that too.

    I think Jacinda has come out of this glowingly in terms of overall public perception of her. I would be interested in her polling before and after the attacks?

    I agree with you, dont think it is justified, but if The First Baby and Jacinda-mania has taught us anything.. it is that most NZ voters are fucking morons.

    Personally, rarely do I see anything a politician does to give them a good look (or bad look for that matter) is justified.

    Every move they make either flips up Black Jack or is bust. Jacinda got Black Jack with this episode.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    Rubbish, I was not talking about it long term, I think it was disrespectful at the time. Many Muslim women find the Hajib oppressive, it is NOT some universally accepted rule in the Islamic world. But you seem to find that very difficult to understand, and until you can understand that I can see why picking a side and virtue signalling out of ignorance has some appeal. I suggest you actually read the article posted above with an open mind.

    I know your position, I was talking about mine. We disagree, that is all. Unless of course you don't agree that we can have differing opinions on the matter.....?



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    Rubbish, I was not talking about it long term, I think it was disrespectful at the time. Many Muslim women find the Hajib oppressive, it is NOT some universally accepted rule in the Islamic world. But you seem to find that very difficult to understand, and until you can understand that I can see why picking a side and virtue signalling out of ignorance has some appeal. I suggest you actually read the article posted above with an open mind.

    I know your position, I was talking about mine. We disagree, that is all. Unless of course you don't agree that we can have differing opinions on the matter.....?

    Yes you have a position, but you have nothing to back it up except virtue signalling. Flat earthers have a position also, doesnt make them any more knowledgeable on the shape of the planet...



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan

    Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...

    And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that

    Rubbish, I was not talking about it long term, I think it was disrespectful at the time. Many Muslim women find the Hajib oppressive, it is NOT some universally accepted rule in the Islamic world. But you seem to find that very difficult to understand, and until you can understand that I can see why picking a side and virtue signalling out of ignorance has some appeal. I suggest you actually read the article posted above with an open mind.

    I know your position, I was talking about mine. We disagree, that is all. Unless of course you don't agree that we can have differing opinions on the matter.....?

    Yes you have a position, but you have nothing to back it up except virtue signalling. Flat earthers have a position also, doesnt make them any more knowledgeable on the shape of the planet...

    I don't really classify the selective Twitter posts as evidence to back up either, which is all I've seen from you


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