My Turn ... Running Down A Dream
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Long time listener, first time caller ..
Running. The forum seems divisive on it, especially those about 40 as its' not so good for your joints etc. This well may all be true, but reality is that I HATE exercising. Capitalised to get my point across. But above exercising, I FUCKING HATE gyms. So what do you do?
Well, I run. I wouldn't say I love it, but I get through it, and more often than not, I feel much better for it. So where are we at? Well, I'm 41, I've run a few half marathons, try to do at least 25k p/week across 3-4 runs and do fuck all else. Anything else I try, I do it for about a month, then it gets dropped by the way side. Swimming, cycling, circuits, personal training etc. All gone to shit. So thats where I'm at.
Anyway, I've decided it's time to up my game. Marathon time. We are looking at 2020, I'll see if I can get into London mara, but if not, will need to try a more regional one. The purpose of this thread, is to "blog" results. I lost a lot of weight 3 years ago on a program, and blogging was one of the key aspects to keep motivated. So, here we go.
Starting base isn't too bad. Ran a half mara two weeks at at 1:58:17. At current weight of around 93kg (height of 177cm) I'm fat, and thats what needs to change. When I finished the run, I felt fine fitness wise, the odd ache / pain in the legs. But the joints were the weak points. So the weight has to go. To give some context, my last half mara was 2017, when I was 89 kg (heathrow injection) which I ran at the same pace. So I'm arguably fitter if I can run at the same pace.
as I've got a year, I've got plenty of time to try different things, build myself up, and lose weight properly. And of course, blow out every now and again. My aim is to be circa 80kg for (as yet unknown) race day. That's a long way from here, but so is race day (probably around a year). This means 1kg a month average weight loss.
Current plan is 2-3 mid week runs (dependent on recovery from weeks) of around 6-7km. One will be interval training (run til your fucked, jog recover. Repeat a few times) and then 1-2 runs at steady, fast pace. Weekends alternate long runs (start at 16k build upt) and medium, faster rruns (start at 10k, build up slower). I took a week off post half, so last few days have been (distance, time, pace (time/km):
Mon: 6k, 35:22, 5:52/km
Wed: 10k, 54:17, 5:25
Fri: 6k, 31:59, 5:18
Sun: 6k, 32:32, 5:14
Mon: 6k, 34:04, 5:38So a bit of variability depending on how feeling /terrain / time of day etc. Rest of this week plan is
Wed: interval
Fri: 6k
Weekend: 16kSo here goes nothing ....
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@mooshld said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
Way to go. I will be following your along for the ride.
As someone who has run a half at 106Kg and 76Kg I can tell you this. If you have been running a while, the easiest gains in speed you will ever make are losing weight.
Good luck
Cheers. I saw your similar thread starter as well and will be following.
Ultimately it's (as it always is) about finding the right balance.
Out of interest, what were your 106kg / 76kg times?
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106 was 2:06
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Hold on. I'm 1cm shorter than you and 12kg heavier... umm I'm big boned!!
Dude you might not love running but you've done half marathons and tick over some decent km's per week. At worst I'd say you have mild apathy for it ha ha.
During the times I have been running fit and haven't had knee issues it has been awesome. There is something really enjoyable about being out and about under your own steam. Very cool to have @mooshld providing insight into how weight loss can help with speed increases (as in holy shit bro!!)
I do give non/anti-gym folks a bit of jip about not finding the right combo of training, or not investing enough time to get it a genuine go. But ultimately you've got to find something you are either engaged with or can make yourself do, otherwise you won't keep it up.
Look forward to hearing about your progress @MajorRage
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@mooshld said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
106 was 2:06
76 was 1:34both of those times are pretty fucking good, the fastest is really fucking good
overachiever
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@mooshld said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
106 was 2:06
76 was 1:34That second time is insane.
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I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
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@canefan said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 Kids are not very good for training
I used to use mine as weights back in the day. Can be great for weighted push-ups and military presses. Squats as well. Too big now though....
As an aside, don't ever take that time for granted. It goes so quick and they'll soon be big smelly teens complaining about morning wood. -
All good advice chaps, I know weight is the biggest issue, it’s also the hardest thing to deal with!
One thing I’m interested in is what you should do in a run if you are either in the zone or not. Some runs I’m absolutely on it and will occasionally push myself further. Others I’m not at all but push myself to keep going. So the question is ... injuries aside, should you stick to a plan like glue, or deviate according to how you feel?
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@gt12 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
If I was still in HK, for sure.
Japan health checks are insane. Yet, I think they are the healthiest people alive ... so maybe something in it.
189cm and 86 kg is hardly bad tho!!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@canefan said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 Kids are not very good for training
I used to use mine as weights back in the day. Can be great for weighted push-ups and military presses. Squats as well. Too big now though....
As an aside, don't ever take that time for granted. It goes so quick and they'll soon be big smelly teens complaining about morning wood.I'm really hoping you have boys.
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@Catogrande said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@canefan said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 Kids are not very good for training
I used to use mine as weights back in the day. Can be great for weighted push-ups and military presses. Squats as well. Too big now though....
As an aside, don't ever take that time for granted. It goes so quick and they'll soon be big smelly teens complaining about morning wood.I'm really hoping you have boys.
Well they were assigned that gender at birth.
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
If I was still in HK, for sure.
Japan health checks are insane. Yet, I think they are the healthiest people alive ... so maybe something in it.
189cm and 86 kg is hardly bad tho!!
Thats basically me minus 12-14kg and everyone knows I'm a fucken unit so pay that shit no mind.
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@MN5 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
If I was still in HK, for sure.
Japan health checks are insane. Yet, I think they are the healthiest people alive ... so maybe something in it.
189cm and 86 kg is hardly bad tho!!
Thats basically me minus 12-14kg and everyone knows I'm a fucken unit so pay that shit no mind.
Rather convoluted way to tell the forum that you are 189cm in height.
Well done on being tall?
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MN5 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@gt12 said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
I followed at @mooshld advice a couple of years ago after reading his journal on here and it worked a treat - focused on running lots of miles and eating healthier to achieve weight loss. I went from a 27 minute 5k at 92kgs to - only one time though - a sub 20 minute 5k at 79 kgs.
I had been holding steady at 82 kgs for the last year or so, running three - four times a week, which doesn’t get me in trouble at work for being too fat (yearly checks start indicating metabolic syndrome for me above this - btw I’m 189cm tall - don’t get me started about Japan). However, since the boy was born, I’ve blown out to 86 and am only running once or twice a week.
So this thread is nice - it gives me some motivation to think about how crap I’ve been and to get back out there again. I may occasionally highjack it if I get motivated enough to post any updates.
After my stroke, my doctor isn’t so keen on me doing full marathons, but I may even look around for a half. If anyone wants to come to JP for a half, let me know and I’ll find one
Enjoy it @MajorRage and do try to consider the weight steps - I found them brilliant.
If I was still in HK, for sure.
Japan health checks are insane. Yet, I think they are the healthiest people alive ... so maybe something in it.
189cm and 86 kg is hardly bad tho!!
Thats basically me minus 12-14kg and everyone knows I'm a fucken unit so pay that shit no mind.
Rather convoluted way to tell the forum that you are 189cm in height.
Well done on being tall?
190cm but who's counting.....
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
All good advice chaps, I know weight is the biggest issue, it’s also the hardest thing to deal with!
One thing I’m interested in is what you should do in a run if you are either in the zone or not. Some runs I’m absolutely on it and will occasionally push myself further. Others I’m not at all but push myself to keep going. So the question is ... injuries aside, should you stick to a plan like glue, or deviate according to how you feel?
Personally I stick to a plan like glue. If I am feeling it, I have a good run and call it a day, I don't push it. But conversely if I am not feeling it I refuse to quit on a run because its in the plan.
For me if I had the flexibility to add more on the good days I would feel I could take away on the bad days. But its the bad days where you get the most benefit.
Its running when it sucks, when it hurts, and when you don't want to. You will need that mental strength during the marathon because the wall is fucking real.
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Speaking of mental strength and pushing through pain barriers to run I am currently listening to "Cant hurt me" by David Goggins on audible.
It is properly inspiring and worth listening to for just this kind of thing.
Also the audio book has been supplemented by interviews with him in amongst chapters which really adds something.
Cant reccomend it enough (if you look at the reviews you will see I am not alone)
Seemed relevant to the discussion, seriously give it a listen. And if you do while on your runs it will be very hard to back off as it feels wrong when listening to his story.
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Going to aim for Monday morning updates here of the previous week and plan for the week ahead.
Mon: 6km, 34:04, 5:38 p/km
Wed: 6km, 31:38, 5:14 p/km
Fri: 7km, 37:55, 5:23 p/km (interval training)
Sun: 11km, 1:01:44, 5:35 paceFriday interval 800m warm up, 1min, 2min, 3min, 5, 3, 2, 1 with half time in between resting. 800m cool down at the end. Blew out far too quick on the early sets and had to walk afterwards. On the longer ones found a better rhythm around 4:35 - 4:50 pace, flat the last 30 secs .. only had to walk a little bit. I need more work on these
Sundays distance I was quite happy with. Had a dull headache all day from the night before, and finally roused the energy to do it around 4pm. Aim was for 55min 10k, then try and push the last km (its an ever so slight down hill) to aim for sub hour. Through 3km at 5:15 pace before started to lose my way. However, managed to keep every km under 6 mins, which I categorise as a mini-victory, so I'll take it!
This weeks plan - only going for 3 runs this week, but will push for a decent length one this weekend:
Tuesday - 7.5km, consistent pace, aim for no km > 5:40
Thursday - 7.5km, interval. Probably 800m warm up / cool down (it's 800m from my house to a canal which I run along), then perhaps 6 x 800m fast / 200m slow
Saturday - 15km, sub 1 hour 25 aim which is 5:40 paceAlways interested in others runners thoughts on what I shuld tweak / change / aim for etc.
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My only comment is that your warmup seems quite short. I can't say I would have broken much of a sweat after 800m. I normally go for 20 to 30 minutes before upping the pace. But sounds like you are in amongst it and have a plan. So stick with it and good luck.
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@mooshld said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
My only comment is that your warmup seems quite short. I can't say I would have broken much of a sweat after 800m. I normally go for 20 to 30 minutes before upping the pace. But sounds like you are in amongst it and have a plan. So stick with it and good luck.
Fair comment. Given that my 6k runs I'm only aiming for 30 mins, then a 20 min warm up may seem excessive!
One thing that I'm wondering will ever change is the feeling of struggle at about the 3 min mark. It's always always been there and I'm wondering if it will ever dissipate ... I always just run through it, but generally I'd say that the biggest struggle for me on any length run is usually this point!
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Do you run by yourself mate?
I saw the biggest improvements in my times when I started running with a group which had a couple of members who were naturally much faster than myself.
I was never a fast runner in my youth, but runnnng with these guys made me realise I was taking it a lot easier than I needed to. My half marathon time went from 1:50ish to 1:29 in a year or so. Still only average club runners times, but I feel like I’ve reached my potential
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@mooshld said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
My only comment is that your warmup seems quite short. I can't say I would have broken much of a sweat after 800m. I normally go for 20 to 30 minutes before upping the pace.
When I was seriously fit I basically ran until I was tired and then turned around and tried to run a negative split back home. Or for planned distances every km was faster than the one previous. It didn't matter if the pace was merely five seconds quicker, it was the mental effort to run faster that was the key.
@SammyC said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
Do you run by yourself mate?
I saw the biggest improvements in my times when I started running with a group which had a couple of members who were naturally much faster than myself.
I was never a fast runner in my youth, but runnnng with these guys made me realise I was taking it a lot easier than I needed to.
I worked it out quickly when I was unable to continue talking with others while they maintained a conversation. That identified my level of fitness in comparison to them. But keeping with them quickly made a difference. Also the competitiveness of running with others means you naturally run faster anyway because no one wants to be at the back.
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@SammyC said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
Do you run by yourself mate?
I saw the biggest improvements in my times when I started running with a group which had a couple of members who were naturally much faster than myself.
I was never a fast runner in my youth, but runnnng with these guys made me realise I was taking it a lot easier than I needed to. My half marathon time went from 1:50ish to 1:29 in a year or so. Still only average club runners times, but I feel like I’ve reached my potential
Yyeah, I do. I really don't like running with others, I kind of like to be in my own zone and run at my own pace vs the clock etc. I'm 100% sure that I would probably improve quicker, but as I stated in my opening mission statement / gambit, running is still more a chore than recreation, subsequently anything which reduces my enjoyment, will also reduce my motivation.
Having said that if I look at my stats, for YTD
Jan, 12 runs, 88.5km, avg pace 5:45 p/km
Feb, 11 runs, 100.6km, avg page 5:33 p/km
Mar, 13 runs, 110km, avg page 5:27 p/kmOnly one in April so far but that was at 5:20 p/km. So I see a pretty steady improvement. 2017 / 2018 my overall average was closer to 6min km. October 2017 I ran 153km!
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If you can find a running partner, it's a game changer. I had similar (although not as high) gains to the guys above, mainly from running with a friend and talking at the same time. I'd do my normal pace, but have to talk the whole time. As result, my fitness improved out of sight and my effort runs quickly went down. After my friend left, I started running and quietly singing to myself, but had to give it up - just too many strange looks from the ppl around.
from looking at your stats though, seems like you re doing brilliantly. Hows the weight loss going?
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Tuesday, 7.5km, 40:04, 5:20 p/km
Thursday, 7.5km, 41:42, 5:32 p/km
Saturday, 16.4km, 1:30:05, 5:29 p/kmup n down week of running. Flew out of the blocks on Tuesday running 40 mins at 5:20 pace. My aim on this run was to do every km at sub 5:40 pace. Reason being is this time is sub 4 hour marathon pace. So on the shorter run, I want to ensure at no point do I dip below this pace i.e - I want to feel that this pace is quite slow (if that makes sense). Only failed on one, which was a 5:46, and also where I did a 180 turn.
Second run was WOEFUL. It was a new route (where my kids swim to home) and it was at 5pm, so there was loads of traffic and roads to cross. I just never felt comfortable on it and got a bit frustrated at myself. However, when I finally managed to get on the canal, I got a bit of rhythm and blasted out the last km in 4:49 (which gives you a good indication of how shit I was running before that if I averaged 5:32)!.
Saturdays was probably in my top 5 runs ever. Plan was to do 15km, but I ended up doing a bit further than that. Started out feeling really comfortable and got through 5km at 5:23 pace before I conciously slowed things down a bit. Slowest km was once again 5:46, with fastest at 5:20, so very happy with the consistency. Just got into a nice rhythm. Went through 15km at 1:22:30 which I think is a PB for me, and decided to see what I could do in 90 mins. At the end of it wasn't blowing too hard and felt pretty good. Only real areas of pain where the points of my shoulders, which a bit of reasearch tells me is poor technique. Something to work on.
Difficult couple of weeks coming up - fly to thailand on friday for a villa holiday with friends then a quick trip to Hong Kong. My plan, which I'm sure will go to shit, is to put the long runs on hold and try and get out for 25-30mins each day. However, I'm looking to get 24km done before flying, so I only need to do one on the first weekend (jet lag recovery). Hence:
Mon - Thurs - 3 x 8km
Sat/Sun - 1 x 6kmI will be at home on Wednesday though, so I may change it up and do 10km then, will see how todays run goes.
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7.5km in less than 42 is nothing to be sneezed at!!
That run on saturday was bloody good mate, well done.
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@mariner4life said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
7.5km in less than 42 is nothing to be sneezed at!!
That run on saturday was bloody good mate, well done.
Cheers. Results was that run was ok, but the feeling on it was horrible. Was destroyed at the end of it too, but that probably had a fair bit to do with the 4:49 km!
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Tips for running:
You have heaps of time before your run so I would try and completely change your running technique. I have worked with 100's of runners and this always leads to decreased overuse injuries, more running efficiency and even increased enjoyment with running.- Biggest change is work on changing your cadence (steps per minute) most recreational runners have 140-160 steps per minute. This leads to heel striking, increased stress through your joints, increased force through anterior aspect of the leg (aka shins), increased demand on your glute med to control more movement (from heel strike to toe coming off) usually as that fail/fatigue you will get a valgus strain on your knee.(knee going in and 'arches collapsing') causing knee injuries. The majority of people don't need anti pronating shoes they need to improve their running technique.
Step 1: Get a metronome on your phone. Your aim should be build towards running at 180 steps per minute at the same pace. This means more smaller steps ideally landing on your mid foot rather than your heel. Use the metronome while you run. This will feel weird and also make your calves burn....thats normal until they get use to it.
Step 2: Keep running how you normally do to keep your K's under the belt....I want you to transition to this new way of running over 3-6 months until its your new technique.
Start over the next four weeks doing either as a warm up or a session during your week doing 1km in this technique. I recommend week 1) 10x100m at your normal pace week 2) 5x200 3)3x400 4) 2x500 next week start running your first 1km (or what you can tolerate) in your new style and slowly increase 500m-k each week. I usually find when you can hit 5km you are onto a winner. No need to rush it.
Tip 2:
Work on glute stability and control:
Do as many as possible of these a day: Single knee bends: Line your foot up on a line so its dead straight (will feel weird). Keep upper body upright and bend your knee. Dont worry about depth worry about keeping your hips square and try and get your knee over the line of your middle toes. Best in barefeet but try and do 1x10 all throughout the day you will improve quickly.
3x8 daily: Single leg glute bridge. Start with your hands/arms on the ground for support as you improve put one hand over your shoulder then both hands. Squeeze from your butt to lift up dont swing up from your leg. Once you can do that hit me up and I will progress.Tip 3:
Start foam rolling:
This sucks to start off with. Only start this program if you can do it for 21 days straight. If you can you will see progress if not you will just keep being sore.
1 roll = up and down
3 sets each day. Add one roll to just one of the sets each day. Start with 3x3 work up to 3x10.
Eg
Day 1: 3x3 rolls on each leg
Day 2: 2x3 and 1x4
Day 3: 1x3 2x4
Day 4: 3x4
If that doesn't make sense let me know.
The rolls at 3,4,5 will hurt way more than 8/9/10. Once you get to 3x10 it should just be mildly uncomfortable and just continue to do 1x10 either before or after your run.Tip 4:
Start progressing to slightly more minimlist shoes. This site is amazing. https://therunningclinic.com/en/minimalist-index/
Find a similar type of shoe and figure out your % when you need a new pair of shoes (probably every 3-6 months depending on K's. Try and progress 10-20% down the minimilist scale (less heel support). These shoes will be lighter and make running easier. If you have improved your running technique heel support is irrelevant. Every 100g is something like a 1% more oxygen efficency so lose weight both inside and out.Tip 5:
Load management. People blow out by increasing stuff too fast. Don't go and catch up on some K's by doing extra long runs or more long runs in a week. Stick to your program progress no more than 10% in either increase in distance or decrease in time. Its hard but worth it to avoid tendon overload.Tip 6:
Read a book called born to run its great. Also read you can't hurt me but take inspiration not training techniques from that crazy fucker.Tip 7:
Read all the above again and throw in the towel haha no just kidding get amoungst it, future you will thank yourself. - Biggest change is work on changing your cadence (steps per minute) most recreational runners have 140-160 steps per minute. This leads to heel striking, increased stress through your joints, increased force through anterior aspect of the leg (aka shins), increased demand on your glute med to control more movement (from heel strike to toe coming off) usually as that fail/fatigue you will get a valgus strain on your knee.(knee going in and 'arches collapsing') causing knee injuries. The majority of people don't need anti pronating shoes they need to improve their running technique.
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I've shortened my stride a heap. Not running as fast but feel like I use a heap less energy and my knee hurts less
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@Magpie_in_aus Thats some outstanding tips, cheers!!!
Any tips on foam rollers? Just looked online and looks like there are thousands to choose from.
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@MajorRage said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@Magpie_in_aus Thats some outstanding tips, cheers!!!
Any tips on foam rollers? Just looked online and looks like there are thousands to choose from.
Here's a tip. They all suck!!
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@MajorRage just your stock standard blue one will do the trick.
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@MajorRage just get a solid one - can't stand the softer foam ones. But I am a (solid) delicate flower and crush those foam ones!
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@Paekakboyz said in My Turn ... Running Down A Dream:
@MajorRage just get a solid one - can't stand the softer foam ones. But I am a (solid) delicate flower and crush those foam ones!
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