Julian Assange arrested
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Excellent. This creep has effectively done seven years in jail and now he has to go and face his bail jumping charges and then onto an orange jumpsuit and life in Leavenworth .
It’ll be interesting over the next few days watching people who have piled onto #metoo tie themselves in knots defending and alleged rapist .
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@jegga said in Julian Assange arrested:
It’ll be interesting over the next few days watching people who have piled onto #metoo tie themselves in knots defending and alleged rapist .
I was always amused how so many "progressive" activists and social justice warriors gave Assange a free get-out-of-jail card because of his political leanings.
Been reported the Swedish prosecutors are under pressure to re-open the rape allegations against him. Good, Let him face trial in an open court.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Julian Assange arrested:
@jegga said in Julian Assange arrested:
It’ll be interesting over the next few days watching people who have piled onto #metoo tie themselves in knots defending and alleged rapist .
I was always amused how so many "progressive" activists and social justice warriors gave Assange a free get-out-of-jail card because of his political leanings.
Been reported the Swedish prosecutors are under pressure to re-open the rape allegations against him. Good, Let him face trial in an open court.
I thought that they had to drop charges after the statute of limitations had run out, I checked though and it expires in 2020. It'd be awesome if he was convicted of rape then after that sentence spent the rest of his live in Leavenworth.
There's some interesting parallels between the stains that have supported him and demonised his victims and the fools that bought all the Russiagate nonsense. They decided what they believe to be true and then created a narrative around it, I've read plenty of activist types saying the prosecutor who told the woman to press charges was bent and politically motivated when they really didn't have a clue what they were talking about but they was the established narrative from their side and they were happy to buy into it without question
One of his victims is unable to work and lives in hiding due to the harassment from his supporters which seems a bit out of step with #metoo and #believewomen .So stoked to see him in jail , all that time in hiding for nothing.
I'm going to keep an eye on this thread for the lols, already his fanbois are bending the truth
Assange Arrested
Julian Assange has been arrested by British Police inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London after his asylum was revoked.UPDATE: Assange has been convicted of skipping bail and the US has requested …
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@Frank said in Julian Assange arrested:
What are the chances the US is behind this and he eventually ends up there?
Depends on which conspiracy theorist you read, I guess.
At the end of the day, the only clear fact is that he is a fugitive from a rape charge to be faced in Sweden.
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Some of the reaction is plain bonkers. According to a leading UK lawyer - senior barrister Geoffrey Robinson, QC - Assange will be extradited to the US which will pave the way for the editors of UK newspapers , like The Guardian, to be extradited to the US and jailed on Trump's say so.....
"If they get away with extraditing Julian Assange they could extradite Alan Rusbridger, and the editors and journalists from the Guardian, and put them inside in America for a very long time."
Some of the more deranged activists really aren't having a good week. Mueller, evidence emerging of US intelligence illegally spying on Trump's campaign and now Assange.
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@jegga there's already some truth bending going on in your post regarding Russia.
I totally get that it is quite rich for some with extreme views that supported his work only when it suited them and ignore it when it doesn't but it applies in both directions.
'Russiagate' is not nonsense with regard to participation of some parties (Russia and Assange)
There is no doubt that Russia attempted to influence the US elections AND there is no doubt that Wikileaks participated (even if as a pawn).
Keep those facts clear of any arguments about Trump Inc. collusion.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Julian Assange arrested:
"If they get away with extraditing Julian Assange they could extradite Alan Rusbridger, and the editors and journalists from the Guardian, and put them inside in America for a very long time."
Heh now that really would be something!
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Julian Assange arrested:
"If they get away with extraditing Julian Assange they could extradite Alan Rusbridger, and the editors and journalists from the Guardian, and put them inside in America for a very long time."
Heh now that really would be something!
Except nothing has stopped them from asking for that extradition already and they haven't done so. Any follow on charges would have to be after initial charges are proven.
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Julian Assange arrested:
"If they get away with extraditing Julian Assange they could extradite Alan Rusbridger, and the editors and journalists from the Guardian, and put them inside in America for a very long time."
Heh now that really would be something!
It wouldn't happen as under the UK-US treaty, extradition can only occur if the activity is an illegal one in both the UK & the US. I posted it as an example of people making arses of themselves when ity comes to Assange - in this case a senior barrister who seems to have exposed himself as an idiot.
He's been charged with computer hacking in the US and not for exposing or publishing secrets.
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@Victor-Meldrew 'Heh' is my laugh. I think its funny people thought that and something funnier would be Trump actually having the ability to extradite Guardian journalists for being as shit as they are.
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The Guardian and The Daily Mail are two cheeks of the same arse IMHO. Poor checking of facts, misleading headlines and an agenda of whipping up outrage.
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I’m of two minds. On the one hand, he needs to be released. He’s doing what any indpendent news organization would have done. On the other hand, I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago. He’s been a political prisoner for years, he’s already been sentenced and served time.
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@Crucial said in Julian Assange arrested:
@jegga there's already some truth bending going on in your post regarding Russia.
I totally get that it is quite rich for some with extreme views that supported his work only when it suited them and ignore it when it doesn't but it applies in both directions.
'Russiagate' is not nonsense with regard to participation of some parties (Russia and Assange)
There is no doubt that Russia attempted to influence the US elections AND there is no doubt that Wikileaks participated (even if as a pawn).
Keep those facts clear of any arguments about Trump Inc. collusion.
I was, you have misread my point or I wasn't clear enough.
The people who wanted to believe Russiagate were happy to believe any evidence that supported the theory and decided Mueller was a great american despite probably never having heard of him before he was appointed .
The people who wanted to believe the charges against Assange were bogus were happy to believe any evidence that supported that and that Marrianne Ny was corrupt and incompetent despite never having heard of her before she decided to lay charges against Assange.
Thats the parallel I was referring to, people who want to buy into these things exhibit some extreme cognitive dissonence .
Assange is an amoral creep, I'm glad those women might actually get justice. I see theres losers on the standard thread dismissing the rape charges as trumped up
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Julian Assange arrested:
I’m of two minds. On the one hand, he needs to be released. He’s doing what any indpendent news organization would have done. On the other hand, I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago. He’s been a political prisoner for years, he’s already been sentenced and served time.
Political prisoner? Thats a stretch , he was wanted on two charges of rape.
Sentenced and served time? That was his choice , he jumped bail to avoid trial.
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Manning is back in jail too . I wonder how Snowden likes Russia ?
Here’s a good rundown on how much him and Greenwald stretched the truth.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Julian Assange arrested:
I’m of two minds. On the one hand, he needs to be released. He’s doing what any indpendent news organization would have done. On the other hand, I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago. He’s been a political prisoner for years, he’s already been sentenced and served time.
The facts are he's a convicted criminal who jumped bail to avoid having to face rape charges. Pretty much says all you need to know about the bloke
The US want him extradited to face charges of computer hacking. Just because he calls himself a journalist is no more a defence or any different to Sun journalists being charged for hacking into people phones.
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@jegga said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Salacious-Crumb said in Julian Assange arrested:
I’m of two minds. On the one hand, he needs to be released. He’s doing what any indpendent news organization would have done. On the other hand, I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago. He’s been a political prisoner for years, he’s already been sentenced and served time.
Political prisoner? Thats a stretch , he was wanted on two charges of rape.
Sentenced and served time? That was his choice , he jumped bail to avoid trial.
What part of “I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago” don’t you understand?
Dial back that outrage some.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Julian Assange arrested:
@jegga said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Salacious-Crumb said in Julian Assange arrested:
I’m of two minds. On the one hand, he needs to be released. He’s doing what any indpendent news organization would have done. On the other hand, I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago. He’s been a political prisoner for years, he’s already been sentenced and served time.
Political prisoner? Thats a stretch , he was wanted on two charges of rape.
Sentenced and served time? That was his choice , he jumped bail to avoid trial.
What part of “I wished that he confronted these charges head-on in a court of law years ago” don’t you understand?
Dial back that outrage some.
The part where you said he’s a political prisoner and sentenced and served time are the ones I found hard to understand.
I agree with you he should have sorted it out years ago , to claim the the other things you did didn’t outrage me it made me wonder what you were talking about .
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Yeah, well I can be reliably foolish and assume that his seeking and aquiring asylum at the Ecudorian embassy for years had something to do with politics, but it’s just one persons’ viewpoint, marginal though it clearly is.
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I don't know much about Assange. I get the rape charges thing, ( very similar to Polanski ) but my simpleton view on leaking classified info superficially suggests 2 things:
Were they factually true?
If so dangerous to modern society, why not "locked up" better?I know I'm wrong but is he such a threat to nations that he's the beast he's portrayed as.
Really keen to be corrected by youse fullas
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@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
I don't know much about Assange. I get the rape charges thing, ( very similar to Polanski ) but my simpleton view on leaking classified info superficially suggests 2 things:
Were they factually true?
If so dangerous to modern society, why not "locked up" better?I know I'm wrong but is he such a threat to nations that he's the beast he's portrayed as.
Really keen to be corrected by youse fullas
Depends on who you ask , he had to be talked out of releasing the names of Iraqi and Afghanistani interpreters helping IS forces which is effectively a death sentence, had no qualms about doing the same to ICE staff though
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@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
If so dangerous to modern society, why not "locked up" better?
Assume your taking about the classified info being released?
It doesn't follow that just because something isn't as secure as it could be, you can simply take it. It's called theft. Not much different from saying it's OK to nick a car because the keys were in the ignition
Whether sensitive information is true or not is irrelevant. It is classified for a reason and it isn't up to Assange to decide what should and shouldn't be released. Unless you believe a self-appointed Assange has the right to decide the release of names and addresses of teenage rape victims, bank accounts of judges and names and addresses of security personnel.
Finally, Assange isn't being charged for publishing the info. He is accused of hacking computer systems which is a completely separate, though related, thing.
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@Victor-Meldrew nice one thanks. Got confused as some painted him as an independent journalist.
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017. Some commentators with some credibility think he's performed some useful role in calling out government behaviour. "Hero" seems a bit of a stretch though
Again, I don't know enough
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@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017.
Not quite.... The complainants have requested they be reinstated so he can stand trial. They were put on hold as Assange jumped bail to avoid facing questioning in Sweden (as required under Swedish law).
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@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Victor-Meldrew nice one thanks. Got confused as some painted him as an independent journalist.
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017. Some commentators with some credibility think he's performed some useful role in calling out government behaviour. "Hero" seems a bit of a stretch though
Again, I don't know enough
Good video, I now need to see another with the other point of view. Any recommendations anyone?
Should it be a crime to publicly expose your own governments crimes?
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Siam said in Julian Assange arrested:
@Victor-Meldrew nice one thanks. Got confused as some painted him as an independent journalist.
Apparently the sex charges were dropped in 2017. Some commentators with some credibility think he's performed some useful role in calling out government behaviour. "Hero" seems a bit of a stretch though
Again, I don't know enough
Good video, I now need to see another with the other point of view. Any recommendations anyone?
Should it be a crime to publicly expose your own governments crimes?
I think history decides whether its a crime or a public service eventually. It's like was David Ben Gurion a terrorist or a freedom fighter? History says the latter but at the time it was viewed differently.
With Assange, I just don't know. At first I sort of applauded him for some of the stuff he was exposing, but more and more I view his exposes as being at the very least dangerous but could easily be viewed as much worse.(ie releasing the names of the interpreters). What is the plus point of doing something like that? What does he want to achieve?
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@Catogrande Yeah I definitely don't know enough to make a firm opinion on him.
Is the non-redacting claim an accepted fact or is it just an opinion that is going out there? A high powered politician embarrassed by what this guy has revealed would probably want to push that narrative in order to justify action against him.
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@Rembrandt I've honestly no idea mate. This (Assange and Wikileaks) is an area that really seems to polarise opinions and I'm not sure I trust much of what I hear in regard to the what is justifiable and what is not.
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@Catogrande yep, bloody hard to separate fact from bs. Wikileaks has certainly proven that with authorities..whether its for the best I have no idea.
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
Is the non-redacting claim an accepted fact or is it just an opinion that is going out there?
Appears to be fact.
" WikiLeaks has published the sensitive personal data of hundreds of ordinary people, including sick children, rape victims and people with mental health problems, an investigation has revealed..
The Saudi diplomatic cables alone hold at least 124 medical files, according to a sample analyzed by the Associated Press. Some described patients with psychiatric conditions, seriously ill children or refugees.
“This has nothing to do with politics or corruption,” said Dr Nayef al-Fayez, a consultant in the Jordanian capital of Amman who confirmed that a brain cancer patient of his was among those whose details were published to the web."
WikiLeaks posted medical files of rape victims and children, investigation finds
The ‘radical transparency’ organization has published sensitive personal data belonging to hundreds of ordinary citizens, an investigation has revealed
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@Rembrandt said in Julian Assange arrested:
Should it be a crime to publicly expose your own governments crimes?
Wouldn't it depend if you spotted illegal activity and went thru established, independent confidential, whistle-blowing procedures (which exist in the police, armed forces and security services, In the UK you can go to your MP) first?
If that didn't work, you'd have some defence if you then went to the press.
Not sure that Chelsea Manning, Assange & Snowden did that - they seemed to just spray out all the stuff with little thought for the consequences
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@Catogrande said in Julian Assange arrested:
What is the plus point of doing something like that? What does he want to achieve?
Self gratification & beatification probably
