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    • M
      mooshld last edited by

      Former All Black great convicted of domestic violence

      Former All Black great convicted of domestic violence

      Former All Blacks prop Carl Hayman has reportedly been convicted of domestic assault in France.

      At least he didn't blame it on the drink. But suspended sentence seems pretty light considering the details.

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      • jegga
        jegga last edited by

        What a prick , must be fucking terrifying for a chick to have a guy that size give you a hiding .

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        • MN5
          MN5 @jegga last edited by MN5

          @jegga said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

          What a prick , must be fucking terrifying for a chick to have a guy that size give you a hiding .

          Yep fuckwit alright. Probably a case of a guy not playing anymore and needing an outlet for his aggression but there’s Martial arts and boxing gyms for that Carl....

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            Billy Tell last edited by

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            • Salacious Crumb
              Salacious Crumb last edited by

              He was in an altercation with several players he was coaching at Pau back in January, cited as the reason why they fired him. Was it verbal or did he strike somebody there too? Bad year for him, sad story.

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              • Siam
                Siam last edited by

                Impossible to form a decent opinion without high resolution details, which we'll never get, but such is life in the public eye

                "3 sides to a story" situation.

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                • Bones
                  Bones @Siam last edited by

                  @Siam said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                  Impossible to form a decent opinion without high resolution details, which we'll never get, but such is life in the public eye

                  "3 sides to a story" situation.

                  Welcome to the fern! First time poster?

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                  • Donsteppa
                    Donsteppa last edited by Donsteppa

                    I think it's possible to form an decent opinion based on (a) a conviction by the justice system (b) a four month suspended prison sentence, and (c) his wife leaving him - having been "slapped" so hard that she needed three days off work:

                    An over-hyped prop and a nasty thug.

                    Hoping he can stay teetotal for his sake.

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                    • rotated
                      rotated last edited by rotated

                      It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?

                      That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.

                      Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.

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                      • Salacious Crumb
                        Salacious Crumb last edited by

                        Maybe potloads of money doesn’t buy peace & happiness...?

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                        • Tim
                          Tim last edited by

                          He did a shitload of moaning about how hard it was to be an All Black in NZ, so he was probably always a fuckwit.

                          Sounds like complete scum.

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                          • Paekakboyz
                            Paekakboyz @rotated last edited by

                            @rotated but imagine how much worse they might have been without that AB self development exp!

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                            • K
                              kidcalder last edited by

                              The man is responsible for his own behaviour - nothing to do with Hansen/Ted or being an AB.
                              An alcoholic bully is an alcoholic bully.
                              I hope he gets help

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                              • booboo
                                booboo @rotated last edited by

                                @rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?

                                That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.

                                Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.

                                Shortly after in this case is 12 years

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                                • rotated
                                  rotated @booboo last edited by

                                  @booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                  Shortly after in this case is 12 years

                                  Or 9 per the article, but point taken.

                                  I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.

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                                  • Paekakboyz
                                    Paekakboyz @rotated last edited by

                                    @rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that they help develop better people... they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.

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                                    • Mick Gold Coast QLD
                                      Mick Gold Coast QLD @rotated last edited by

                                      @rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
                                      ...

                                      Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.

                                      Do they really say that? The team which just welcomed back in a defrocked captain who cried, a 28 year old leader of what was once a noble entity, when he was caught out cheating? I hear they have rewarded the grubby master cheat too, the small fellow with a big gob, a gutter mouth and too little intelligence to offer an amusing sledge, who cannot cop a little bit for his corner.

                                      I do hope they face South Africa soon and that the crowd gives the li'l fella plenty more about Sonny Bill porking madly away in a nightclub dunny. I loved watching his classic little big man cameo in the dressing room stairwell screeching at the South Africans "Hold me back, I'll belt him, I'll belt youse all, you just watch me ... I said hold me back!"

                                      I will continue to fetch my news here, at a New Zealand rugby blog, about Australian cricket and the team which treats the dollars as applause. I have no interest in anything it or its spruikers say or do.

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                                      • rotated
                                        rotated @Paekakboyz last edited by

                                        @Paekakboyz said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                        @rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that they help develop better people... they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.

                                        Which is my point, I think Shag and the NZRU brass would be best advised to as well.

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                                        • booboo
                                          booboo @rotated last edited by booboo

                                          @rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                          @booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                          Shortly after in this case is 12 years

                                          Or 9 per the article, but point taken.

                                          I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.

                                          Read the article? Why start now.

                                          Thought his last test was the match that never happened in 2007 (checked and Wikipedia confirms). So 11.5 years ...

                                          And no I would not likely comment on the Canberra Raiders.

                                          Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?

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                                          • Paekakboyz
                                            Paekakboyz @rotated last edited by

                                            @rotated on history you'd say that's due to it being mission impossible for the NRL. Whereas on the whole I'd say most ABs would have shown, and personally acknowledged, positive growth as part of being involved. No initiative or goal like that is ever going to have perfect outcomes, but I've never felt the ABs have overstated it in the overall scheme of things.

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                                            • rotated
                                              rotated @booboo last edited by rotated

                                              Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?

                                              At least a few of them were granted name suppression so I'll play by the rules, although they were open secrets at the time... but one was mid 00's, two late 00's and Savea which was public. All had more than a cup of coffee in black.

                                              I think one of the later 00's one did not end with charges though.

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                                              • jegga
                                                jegga @booboo last edited by

                                                @booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                @rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                @booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                Shortly after in this case is 12 years

                                                Or 9 per the article, but point taken.

                                                I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.

                                                Read the article? Why start now.

                                                Thought his last test was the match that never happened in 2007 (checked and Wikipedia confirms). So 11.5 years ...

                                                And no I would not likely comment on the Canberra Raiders.

                                                Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?

                                                Does that Chiefs player tonguing a strippers balloon knot count?

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                                                • Catogrande
                                                  Catogrande @jegga last edited by

                                                  @jegga said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                  @booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                  @rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                  @booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                  Shortly after in this case is 12 years

                                                  Or 9 per the article, but point taken.

                                                  I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.

                                                  Read the article? Why start now.

                                                  Thought his last test was the match that never happened in 2007 (checked and Wikipedia confirms). So 11.5 years ...

                                                  And no I would not likely comment on the Canberra Raiders.

                                                  Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?

                                                  Does that Chiefs player tonguing a strippers balloon knot count?

                                                  If I'm right in assuming the balloon knot is the same thing as a rusty sheriff's badge, i'd say the man gets a get out of jail free card.

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                                                  • jegga
                                                    jegga last edited by

                                                    I missed the part where he harassed her, presumably after she moved out. He sounds like a real nutter .

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                                                    • Chris B.
                                                      Chris B. @rotated last edited by

                                                      @rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.

                                                      I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.

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                                                      • Nepia
                                                        Nepia @rotated last edited by

                                                        @rotated The Adam Thomson one was bullshit, he actually suffered from being famous in that or got investigated when there really was no issue.

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                                                        • MN5
                                                          MN5 @Chris B. last edited by

                                                          @Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                          @rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.

                                                          I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.

                                                          Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?

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                                                          • Nepia
                                                            Nepia @MN5 last edited by

                                                            @MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                            @Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                            @rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.

                                                            I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.

                                                            Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?

                                                            Some anti Reiko posters claim he is because he’s aggressive, is Akira’s brother, and forced Jordie to throw a quick line out intercept try. 😉

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                                                            • Canes4life
                                                              Canes4life @Nepia last edited by

                                                              @Nepia he did. 😛

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                                                              • JC
                                                                JC @Mick Gold Coast QLD last edited by

                                                                @Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                @rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
                                                                ...

                                                                Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.

                                                                Do they really say that? The team which just welcomed back in a defrocked captain who cried, a 28 year old leader of what was once a noble entity, when he was caught out cheating? I hear they have rewarded the grubby master cheat too, the small fellow with a big gob, a gutter mouth and too little intelligence to offer an amusing sledge, who cannot cop a little bit for his corner.

                                                                I do hope they face South Africa soon and that the crowd gives the li'l fella plenty more about Sonny Bill porking madly away in a nightclub dunny.

                                                                Point of order, I don't think you can say "pork" and "Sonny Bill" in the same sentence esp during Ramadan.

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                                                                • jegga
                                                                  jegga @MN5 last edited by

                                                                  @MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                  @Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                  @rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.

                                                                  I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.

                                                                  Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?

                                                                  Andrew Hore and seals .

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                                                                  • Bones
                                                                    Bones @Nepia last edited by

                                                                    @Nepia said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                    @MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                    @Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                    @rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.

                                                                    I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.

                                                                    Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?

                                                                    Some anti Reiko posters claim he is because he’s aggressive, is Akira’s brother, and forced Jordie to throw a quick line out intercept try. 😉

                                                                    Farken hell talk about people inventing offence! None of those things mean you're anti Reiko.

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                                                                    • Nepia
                                                                      Nepia @Bones last edited by

                                                                      @Bones said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                      @Nepia said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                      @MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                      @Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                      @rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.

                                                                      I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.

                                                                      Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?

                                                                      Some anti Reiko posters claim he is because he’s aggressive, is Akira’s brother, and forced Jordie to throw a quick line out intercept try. 😉

                                                                      Farken hell talk about people inventing offence! None of those things mean you're anti Reiko.

                                                                      Reiko hater!!!

                                                                      Nah just kidding, that post was in jest. I 100% wasn’t thinking about you when I wrote it either.

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                                                                      • Bones
                                                                        Bones @Nepia last edited by

                                                                        @Nepia said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                        @Bones said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                        @Nepia said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                        @MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                        @Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                        @rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.

                                                                        I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.

                                                                        Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?

                                                                        Some anti Reiko posters claim he is because he’s aggressive, is Akira’s brother, and forced Jordie to throw a quick line out intercept try. 😉

                                                                        Farken hell talk about people inventing offence! None of those things mean you're anti Reiko.

                                                                        Reiko hater!!!

                                                                        Nah just kidding, that post was in jest. I 100% wasn’t thinking about you when I wrote it either.

                                                                        Well that's just downright disappointing.

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                                                                        • KiwiMurph
                                                                          KiwiMurph last edited by

                                                                          who is this Reiko guy? Almost has the same first name as Rieko Ioane

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                                                                          • Victor Meldrew
                                                                            Victor Meldrew @KiwiMurph last edited by

                                                                            @KiwiMurph said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                            the same first name as Rieko Ioane

                                                                            Cousin of some bloke called Ishwhale Flou I think

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                                                                            • Victor Meldrew
                                                                              Victor Meldrew last edited by

                                                                              Didn't Hayman have a close family member who had a tragedy or medical situation which shortened his career? Read some where it was the reason he took the pot of gold in Frogland.

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                                                                              • Bones
                                                                                Bones @KiwiMurph last edited by

                                                                                @KiwiMurph said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                                who is this Reiko guy? Almost has the same first name as Rieko Ioane

                                                                                He's that blues player that acts like a right munter. Rieko Ioane plays for the ABs, he's ace.

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                                                                                • Salacious Crumb
                                                                                  Salacious Crumb @Paekakboyz last edited by

                                                                                  @Paekakboyz said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                                  @rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that **they help develop better people... **they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.

                                                                                  I’m probly mistaken, but I thought it was “Better people make better ABs,” and not the other way around.

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                                                                                  • ACT Crusader
                                                                                    ACT Crusader @Salacious Crumb last edited by

                                                                                    @Salacious-Crumb said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                                    @Paekakboyz said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:

                                                                                    @rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that **they help develop better people... **they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.

                                                                                    I’m probly mistaken, but I thought it was “Better people make better ABs,” and not the other way around.

                                                                                    That sounds about right to me. I can’t recall the cartel or AB management at the time making reference to the ABs being the reformist colony where players came out of as newfound 100% law abiding citizens.

                                                                                    They definitely talked about character and didn’t shy away from referring to a player as a “good person” if it was warranted.

                                                                                    On Hayman, any of these stories of indiscretion and violence are very sad and impact so many more people than those directly involved.

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