Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse
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Former All Black great convicted of domestic violence
Former All Blacks prop Carl Hayman has reportedly been convicted of domestic assault in France.
At least he didn't blame it on the drink. But suspended sentence seems pretty light considering the details.
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@jegga said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
What a prick , must be fucking terrifying for a chick to have a guy that size give you a hiding .
Yep fuckwit alright. Probably a case of a guy not playing anymore and needing an outlet for his aggression but there’s Martial arts and boxing gyms for that Carl....
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He was in an altercation with several players he was coaching at Pau back in January, cited as the reason why they fired him. Was it verbal or did he strike somebody there too? Bad year for him, sad story.
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@Siam said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Impossible to form a decent opinion without high resolution details, which we'll never get, but such is life in the public eye
"3 sides to a story" situation.
Welcome to the fern! First time poster?
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I think it's possible to form an decent opinion based on (a) a conviction by the justice system (b) a four month suspended prison sentence, and (c) his wife leaving him - having been "slapped" so hard that she needed three days off work:
An over-hyped prop and a nasty thug.
Hoping he can stay teetotal for his sake.
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It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?
That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.
Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
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Maybe potloads of money doesn’t buy peace & happiness...?
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@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
It's become a bit uncomfortable the regularity that Hansen/Ted will trot out the 'better people make better All Blacks' line and talking about culture change before the 2004 EOYT being the crux of everything. Sure, they did away with some of the remnants of amateurism and provincialism in making things like court sessions voluntary - but the actual results aren't too flattering?
That isn't to call anyone a shit bloke, at the end of the day it's a random collection of men with the same flaws as the broader community. But that is... maybe the 5th domestic violence charge for an AB either in the midst or shortly after their AB career since Ted/Hansen made the big cultural changes? That's without the incidents where patrons, seals and pie shop windows were harmed.
Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
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@rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that they help develop better people... they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.
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@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
...Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
Do they really say that? The team which just welcomed back in a defrocked captain who cried, a 28 year old leader of what was once a noble entity, when he was caught out cheating? I hear they have rewarded the grubby master cheat too, the small fellow with a big gob, a gutter mouth and too little intelligence to offer an amusing sledge, who cannot cop a little bit for his corner.
I do hope they face South Africa soon and that the crowd gives the li'l fella plenty more about Sonny Bill porking madly away in a nightclub dunny. I loved watching his classic little big man cameo in the dressing room stairwell screeching at the South Africans "Hold me back, I'll belt him, I'll belt youse all, you just watch me ... I said hold me back!"
I will continue to fetch my news here, at a New Zealand rugby blog, about Australian cricket and the team which treats the dollars as applause. I have no interest in anything it or its spruikers say or do.
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@Paekakboyz said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that they help develop better people... they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.
Which is my point, I think Shag and the NZRU brass would be best advised to as well.
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@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
Or 9 per the article, but point taken.
I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.
Read the article? Why start now.
Thought his last test was the match that never happened in 2007 (checked and Wikipedia confirms). So 11.5 years ...
And no I would not likely comment on the Canberra Raiders.
Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?
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@rotated on history you'd say that's due to it being mission impossible for the NRL. Whereas on the whole I'd say most ABs would have shown, and personally acknowledged, positive growth as part of being involved. No initiative or goal like that is ever going to have perfect outcomes, but I've never felt the ABs have overstated it in the overall scheme of things.
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Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?
At least a few of them were granted name suppression so I'll play by the rules, although they were open secrets at the time... but one was mid 00's, two late 00's and Savea which was public. All had more than a cup of coffee in black.
I think one of the later 00's one did not end with charges though.
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@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
Or 9 per the article, but point taken.
I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.
Read the article? Why start now.
Thought his last test was the match that never happened in 2007 (checked and Wikipedia confirms). So 11.5 years ...
And no I would not likely comment on the Canberra Raiders.
Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?
Does that Chiefs player tonguing a strippers balloon knot count?
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@jegga said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@booboo said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
Shortly after in this case is 12 years
Or 9 per the article, but point taken.
I suspect if it was Carl Hayman, Canberra Raiders' legend instead we wouldn't quibble on those things.
Read the article? Why start now.
Thought his last test was the match that never happened in 2007 (checked and Wikipedia confirms). So 11.5 years ...
And no I would not likely comment on the Canberra Raiders.
Also, can you fill me in on the other domestic incidents? Savea and who else?
Does that Chiefs player tonguing a strippers balloon knot count?
If I'm right in assuming the balloon knot is the same thing as a rusty sheriff's badge, i'd say the man gets a get out of jail free card.
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@Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.
I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.
Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?
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@MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.
I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.
Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?
Some anti Reiko posters claim he is because he’s aggressive, is Akira’s brother, and forced Jordie to throw a quick line out intercept try. 😉
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
...Good team, good processes - but they need to stop talking it up because it's approaching the Australian cricket team's "we are the keepers of where the line is" stuff.
Do they really say that? The team which just welcomed back in a defrocked captain who cried, a 28 year old leader of what was once a noble entity, when he was caught out cheating? I hear they have rewarded the grubby master cheat too, the small fellow with a big gob, a gutter mouth and too little intelligence to offer an amusing sledge, who cannot cop a little bit for his corner.
I do hope they face South Africa soon and that the crowd gives the li'l fella plenty more about Sonny Bill porking madly away in a nightclub dunny.
Point of order, I don't think you can say "pork" and "Sonny Bill" in the same sentence esp during Ramadan.
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@MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.
I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.
Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?
Andrew Hore and seals .
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@Nepia said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.
I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.
Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?
Some anti Reiko posters claim he is because he’s aggressive, is Akira’s brother, and forced Jordie to throw a quick line out intercept try. 😉
Farken hell talk about people inventing offence! None of those things mean you're anti Reiko.
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@Bones said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Nepia said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.
I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.
Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?
Some anti Reiko posters claim he is because he’s aggressive, is Akira’s brother, and forced Jordie to throw a quick line out intercept try. 😉
Farken hell talk about people inventing offence! None of those things mean you're anti Reiko.
Reiko hater!!!
Nah just kidding, that post was in jest. I 100% wasn’t thinking about you when I wrote it either.
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@Nepia said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Bones said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Nepia said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@MN5 said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Chris-B said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated Sivivatu was widely reported.
I was thinking the other day that there seems to be a high proportion of wings in the dickhead club.
Guildford, Howlett, Savea, Sivi.....am I missing anyone ?
Some anti Reiko posters claim he is because he’s aggressive, is Akira’s brother, and forced Jordie to throw a quick line out intercept try. 😉
Farken hell talk about people inventing offence! None of those things mean you're anti Reiko.
Reiko hater!!!
Nah just kidding, that post was in jest. I 100% wasn’t thinking about you when I wrote it either.
Well that's just downright disappointing.
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@KiwiMurph said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
the same first name as Rieko Ioane
Cousin of some bloke called Ishwhale Flou I think
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Didn't Hayman have a close family member who had a tragedy or medical situation which shortened his career? Read some where it was the reason he took the pot of gold in Frogland.
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@KiwiMurph said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
who is this Reiko guy? Almost has the same first name as Rieko Ioane
He's that blues player that acts like a right munter. Rieko Ioane plays for the ABs, he's ace.
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@Paekakboyz said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that **they help develop better people... **they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.
I’m probly mistaken, but I thought it was “Better people make better ABs,” and not the other way around.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@Paekakboyz said in Carl Hayman convicted of domestic abuse:
@rotated to the best of my knowledge the NRL has never made claims that **they help develop better people... **they file that under their wishful thinking outcomes.
I’m probly mistaken, but I thought it was “Better people make better ABs,” and not the other way around.
That sounds about right to me. I can’t recall the cartel or AB management at the time making reference to the ABs being the reformist colony where players came out of as newfound 100% law abiding citizens.
They definitely talked about character and didn’t shy away from referring to a player as a “good person” if it was warranted.
On Hayman, any of these stories of indiscretion and violence are very sad and impact so many more people than those directly involved.
