Reds v Blues



  • Reds

    1 JP Smith – GPS
    2 Alex Mafi – Bond University
    3 Taniela Tupou – Brothers
    4 Izack Rodda – Easts
    5 Angus Blyth – Bond University
    6 Angus Scott-Young – University of Queensland
    7 Liam Wright – Easts
    8 Scott Higginbotham – Wests
    9 Scott Malolua – Souths*
    10 Matt McGahan – Norths
    11 Filipo Daugunu – Wests
    12 Samu Kerevi – Souths (c)
    13 Chris Feauai-Sautia – Souths
    14 Jock Campbell – University of Queensland
    15 Bryce Hegarty – GPS

    Reserves
    16 Brandon Paenga-Amosa – Sunnybank
    17 Ruan Smith – GPS
    18 Gav Luka – Bond University
    19 Harry Hockings – University of Queensland
    20 Adam Korczyk – University of Queensland
    21 Moses Sorovi – Wests
    22 Duncan Paia’aua – Norths
    23 Hamish Stewart – Bond University

    http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/NewsArticles/tabid/581/ArticleID/18570/St-George-Queensland-Reds-announce-Round-17-team-against-Blues-at-Suncorp-Stadium.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2YqCL9LON15MwVpEV8iqBPUldk1osVuLPSoSzcEq_Bdo7zXB9l_Un9XMQ



  • Blues

    1 Alex Hodgman, 2 James Parsons, 3 Ofa Tuungafasi, 4 Gerard Cowley-Tuioti, 5 Scott Scrafton, 6 Dalton Papalii, 7 Blake Gibson (c), 8 Akira Ioane; 9 Augustine Pulu, 10 Otere Black, 11 Tanielu Tele’a, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 13 TJ Faiane, 14 Matt Duffie, 15 Melani Nanai.

    Reserves:
    16 Leni Apisai, 17 Marcel Renata, 18 Lua Li, 19 Tom Robinson, 20 Josh Goodhue, 21 Jonathan Ruru, 22 Harry Plummer, 23 Levi Aumua.

    Players not considered with injury: Sione Mafileo (ankle), Stephen Perofeta (pectoral), Jordan Trainor (thigh), Michael Collins (groin), Karl Tu’inukuafe (illness), Sam Nock (hand), Matt Moulds (hand), Jed Brown (hamstring), Jimmy Tupou (calf), Caleb Clarke (calf), Sonny Bill Williams (knee).

    Players on leave, others with or returning from injury, and form have led to six changes to the Blues team to take on the Queensland Reds in Brisbane on Friday night.
    
    All Blacks Rieko Ioane and co-captain Patrick Tuipulotu will sit out their second stand-down game while fellow international Dalton Papalii makes a welcome return to the starting line-up.
    
    Injury has forced out Caleb Clarke on the right wing, replaced by Matt Duffie, with block-busting youngster Tanielu Tele’a moving to the left flank. Meanwhile the inside back pairing Augustine Pulu and Otere Black come from the bench to start in the changes made by coach Leon MacDonald.
    
    MacDonald bracketed Sonny Bill Williams to start but despite taking a full part in training, he believes another week is needed to complete his recovery.
    
    “We had always ear-marked this game as a break for Rieko and Patrick but at the same time Matt Duffie has been itching to get his chance after a late start to the season with injury and Tanielu has been strong in his first season,” said MacDonald.
    
    “Upfront our locking stocks are competitive with Josh Goodhue back into the reserves after starting earlier in the season.
    
    “We are delighted to have Dalton recovered which gives us another chance to start this exciting back row and it goes without saying that Sonny has done everything possible to get himself back in shape. He was close but we are not taking any risks bringing him back until he is 100 percent.”
    
    It means Ma’a Nonu will again link with vice-captain TJ Faiane in the midfield for the 13th time in 15 games with the pair playing the full 80 minutes in all but two of those starts.
    
    “There’s a lot of healthy competition in this team, and we have always said that performance will dictate selection, and that has led to Augie and Otere getting their opportunities.
    
    “The whole team was disappointed with the performance last week at home against the Bulls where we just did not make the best of our chances and did not use the plentiful amount of possession wisely.
    
    “We want to put that right. We continue to train well and want to focus on transferring the performance on the training ground to game-day. We have two more opportunities to achieve that and if we do, then let’s see where that takes us.”
    

    https://blues.rugby/blues-chase-quality-performance-against-queensland/



  • @Stargazer Those injuries to the Blues certainly evens this contest up a bit. I still think they will be just about good enough though



  • the illness to Tu’inukuafe is concerning, is that 2 or 3 weeks now?





  • Akira continues to get run into the ground..... Great....



  • @KiwiMurph said in Reds v Blues:

    Akira continues to get run into the ground..... Great....

    i think it's time we accepted he's not playing in Black this year. I'm saving up a massive melt.



  • possibly numbering error?

    Robinson showing as lock reserve and Goodhue as loosie reserve.

    Who of Gibson or Dalton can play 8, if Akira doesnt get injured, he is looking at another 80 minute stint?

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  • The backrow is better with Dalton at 6.

    Disappointed that we aren't using Robinson to cover lock. I'd like to see if he could do it at this level. Robinson/Sotutu would offer more from the bench than Goodhue/Robinson



  • @taniwharugby said in Reds v Blues:

    Who of Gibson or Dalton can play 8

    Dalton



  • @Duluth that would make more sense at least then you have a genuine 8 on the bench.

    although numbers in the team sheet, indicates Robinson is the lock reserve...



  • Gibson has played a couple of games at 8 for Auckland too.



  • Here's an interesting stat

    Akira and Faiane and Nanai have each played more minutes for the Blues this year than SBW has ever played (total minutes) for the Blues in 3 seasons (even including SBW's match vs British and Irish Lions).



  • Anyone going?



  • @Duluth said in Reds v Blues:

    @taniwharugby said in Reds v Blues:

    Who of Gibson or Dalton can play 8

    Dalton

    He was very good as an 8 in school.

    He has the size and ball carrying to cover 8 at this level. His ball carrying is actually one of the more underrated and underutilized aspects of his game.



  • @Duluth said in Reds v Blues:

    The backrow is better with Dalton at 6.

    Disappointed that we aren't using Robinson to cover lock. I'd like to see if he could do it at this level. Robinson/Sotutu would offer more from the bench than Goodhue/Robinson

    I like what I have seen of Papali'i so far but to say that the backrow is better with him at 6 is forgetting how good has been Tom Robinson who is the standout player for the Blues this year.



  • @cgrant If Akira develops the way many Blues fans think he will then that trio could develop into New Zealand's best going forward. A good balance of height, power and hard edge.



  • @Bones said in Reds v Blues:

    Anyone going?

    I’m going to go, good chance I’ll miss kick off though as the young blokes rugby training doesn’t finish until 7.



  • @Canes4life said in Reds v Blues:

    @cgrant If Akira develops the way many Blues fans think he will then that trio could develop into New Zealand's best going forward. A good balance of height, power and hard edge.

    "Going forward" in a ball carrying sense or in a 90's corporate wankspeak sense ?



  • @cgrant said in Reds v Blues:

    @Duluth said in Reds v Blues:

    The backrow is better with Dalton at 6.

    Disappointed that we aren't using Robinson to cover lock. I'd like to see if he could do it at this level. Robinson/Sotutu would offer more from the bench than Goodhue/Robinson

    I like what I have seen of Papali'i so far but to say that the backrow is better with him at 6 is forgetting how good has been Tom Robinson who is the standout player for the Blues this year.

    If you look at the stats when Dalton plays he’s the worker of the back row, hits rucks and makes a huge amount of tackles, carrys the ball.

    Robinson has been great, but isn’t as busy and the Blues suffer for it. Especially as the team pattern has him on the wing a lot.

    When the team pattern also has Akira in the midfield, that’s not many loosies over the ball!



  • @Kirwan is that a fault of the pattern they are running then, or the players on the park for not sticking to thier roles?

    Players might have the same position but the way they play suits them being in different parts of the structure, ie TR is stationed wide when he is on the park, whereas DP is used more centrally, so of course their work will be different.

    Similarly when people were critical of Same Cane in years gone by when Ardie was making turnovers, bustling runs etc...they are used completely differently by thier respective teams, so again, while playing same positions, you cant directly compare stats to show who is the better/worse...just different.

    All playing well to fit thier Job Description.



  • @taniwharugby said in Reds v Blues:

    TR is stationed wide when he is on the park

    Yes, in the last 20mins it seems he's been told to stand outside the winger. It is infuriating that they are doing this and turning over ball in the middle of the park.
    Besides, his breaks dried up after the first month (probably after the opposition coaches noticed his speed)

    He's been very good this year but Dalton is the better player. The four best loosies should all be rotating anyway..



  • @taniwharugby said in Reds v Blues:

    the illness to Tu’inukuafe is concerning, is that 2 or 3 weeks now?

    Flu or some other virus?



  • @taniwharugby spoke to a couple of people in the know at the Blues,Robinson Ranging wide has been a strategy ,because of his height and offloading ..he’s also been a great resource in the lineout as well ,
    I know he is nowhere near the finished article ,but to be honest if we 15 Tom Robinson’s on the paddock that put in his sort of effort, we would be world beaters..
    All this sort of talk makes me think he should bugger off to the Saders to totally improve his game..
    From where I am looking I don’t see a hell of lot of improvement with some of the cattle they have in key decision making departments..not to mention the loss of Nonu,SBW and Melani Nanai who finally played up to his potential ,shame it’s taken him 4 seasons to figure it out.



  • @Steven-Harris said in Reds v Blues:

    Melani Nanai who finally played up to his potential ,shame it’s taken him 4 seasons to figure it out.

    Nanai was great in his first season and was called into ABs training etc



  • I hope in the second half we see Papalii 8 and Robinson at 6.



  • @KiwiMurph said in Reds v Blues:

    I hope in the second half we see Papalii 8 and Robinson at 6.

    Yes it would be good to see another combo. Or Robinson at lock..

    We don't learn anything by seeing Goodhue come on at lock and Robinson at 6 again



  • @Duluth but it would be fair to say this had been his most consistent season..I don’t believe for a second he’s a fullback, does not have a kicking game and the number of times he’s ignored support players not to mention the really frustrating one
    Fields a kick and runs straight into contact..where a wide pass to another player and then double around or support would be the go..and that’s where he could have been very dangerous..!
    I will reiterate he’s played bloody well this season..but why has the consistency in his game taken so long..?
    Maybe Leon McDonald..?



  • @Steven-Harris said in Reds v Blues:

    but it would be fair to say this had been his most consistent season..I don’t believe for a second he’s a fullback, does not have a kicking game and the number of times he’s ignored support players not to mention the really frustrating one
    Fields a kick and runs straight into contact..where a wide pass to another player and then double around or support would be the go..and that’s where he could have been very dangerous..!

    He's a winger who can cover fullback. The lack of another kicking option has hurt us

    Remember Perofeta was probably first choice. He's injured, Trainor is injured and Collins is not good enough.
    It's hard to criticise his selection at the back

    @Steven-Harris said in Reds v Blues:

    I will reiterate he’s played bloody well this season..but why has the consistency in his game taken so long..?
    Maybe Leon McDonald..?

    Not Umaga? Debut season was very good under Kirwan. Stagnated for 3 years. Another good season now.
    Maybe they clashed?



  • @Steven-Harris

    He’s been playing.

    In the past if he had a game with a few mistakes he’d go back to the bench and hardly get used for weeks - he’s clearly a player that needs time out there, and probably a bit of support. Tana didn’t seem to have much trust in him.

    It’s been great to see him get an extended opportunity. When he was stringing a few games together and playing 14 when he first started, I was sure that he’d get AB caps, but I guess that shows hard it is to break into the 3/4 spots. Probably also a reflection of the complete lack of coaching at the Blues.



  • @gt12 said in Reds v Blues:

    Tana didn’t seem to have much trust in him.

    Lack of trust in squad players has been a common issue for Blues coaches for many, many years (conversely, some players kept getting picked despite sub-par performances)



  • @taniwharugby said in Reds v Blues:

    Lack of trust in squad players has been a common issue for Blues coaches for many, many years (conversely, some players kept getting picked despite sub-par performances)

    True of Kirwan/Umaga /MacDonald

    However MacDoanld has a chance to clear out players he does not trust as their contracts expire.

    For instance it's strange that Umaga didn't trust Moulds and then kept signing him.

    I have no problem with a squad player not getting game time if they are not extended. But that implies a lot of 2nd/3rd tier players are not wanted by the current coach



  • @Duluth were some instances with Nucifora too (was he coach 05/06?)



  • Nanai had a really short leash under Tana, while Li and Collins got super long ones, it was all a bit weird.

    Highlander fans now know how we felt when Li would never get dropped. 😄



  • @Dice said in Reds v Blues:

    Highlander fans now know how we felt when Li would never get dropped. 😄

    ... but, but, but, he's really fast in training!



  • @nzzp said in Reds v Blues:

    @Dice said in Reds v Blues:

    Highlander fans now know how we felt when Li would never get dropped. 😄

    ... but, but, but, he's really fast in training!



  • Dalton was poor at the start of the season a bit of a headless chook. but I feel that was the all blacks leave hurting a young player who needed the coaching.

    Tom Robinsons work rate is not an issue. I think he tries to do too much without being effective on occasion. And many teams play there 6 out wide if hes not doing workout there it's the 10 12 13 not getting the ball to the right parts of the field



  • @muddyriver said in Reds v Blues:

    Dalton was poor at the start of the season a bit of a headless chook.

    Yeah, I think those were all at 7?

    He gave an interview early in the year where he talked about playing 6 v 7. When playing 6 he tries to impersonate Kaino, when he's at 7's he tries to push the ref.

    He didn't get those judgement calls right and gave away a lot of dumb penalties. Offsides and not listening to instructions at the breakdown etc

    His games at 6 have been high quality



  • @Duluth Umaga chose Collins ahead of Nanai because of his communication skills despite Nanai being a far superior player. Nanai's always been fantastic when given a go. Not his fault Umaga fucked him around so badly.



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    AR1: Mike Fraser
    AR2: Jordan Way
    TMO: James Leckie


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