Crusaders 2020



  • @Bones said in Crusaders 2020:

    @antipodean said in Crusaders 2020:

    I appreciate it's the Crusaders, but would he be happy with a bench role?

    He was a lot more than a bench role this season, certainly racked up the minutes and even earned himself an AB call up. Not sure why that would change?

    I think the presumption is his chances would require the rest or injury to others. Even as an All Black, not sure I'd want that.



  • @antipodean said in Crusaders 2020:

    @Bones said in Crusaders 2020:

    @antipodean said in Crusaders 2020:

    I appreciate it's the Crusaders, but would he be happy with a bench role?

    He was a lot more than a bench role this season, certainly racked up the minutes and even earned himself an AB call up. Not sure why that would change?

    I think the presumption is his chances would require the rest or injury to others. Even as an All Black, not sure I'd want that.

    To be honest I'd back him to make a better fist of 12 than Jordie...

    I seriously doubt he'll be lacking game time, he didn't exactly lack this year before he was a proven performer....



  • @Bones Yeah, there will be injuries and ABs rest breaks. Apart from those, only a few Crusaders' backs weren't rotated during the season : Mo'unga, Bridge, Goodhue and Havili. So there will be plenty of game time for the other players.

    Besides, if Jordie comes to the Crusaders, he'll be less certain of a start every week than Crotty. Crotty was a lock-in if fit; Jordie still has to earn that jersey.



  • @Bones I don't think Ennor plays 12. He's a centre/wing.



  • @Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:

    @Bones I don't think Ennor plays 12. He's a centre/wing.

    I didn't say he did.



  • @Bones Oh, I must have misunderstoond.

    This: "To be honest I'd back him to make a better fist of 12 than Jordie..." wasn't about Ennor?



  • @Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:

    @Bones Oh, I must have misunderstoond.

    This: "To be honest I'd back him to make a better fist of 12 than Jordie..." wasn't about Ennor?

    Yes it was.



  • I hope, wherever Jordie goes, that he plays 12 rather than 15.

    Too slow to be the A.B. 15 and doesn't really dominate in the air despite being a giraffe.



  • @Toddy said in Crusaders 2020:

    I'll love it if if goes to the Crusaders. My MIL is a dyed in wool Cantab (as in Matt Todd should've been picked ahead of Kaino in 2011) and she hates Jordie. It'll be hilarious to watch her do a complete 180 on this and now become his biggest fluffer.

    He's been a bit average for the Canes the last two seasons. Hopefully he can find some form of he heads south.

    Bro, sounds like you married well



  • @Stargazer

    With Crotty gone, I wonder if there will be so many injury opportunities in the Saders midfield....

    Goodhue is a much better 13 than 12, so 12 is an opportunity, but there are a few very talented players who won’t even make the 23 if Jordie goes there. I think it’s a risk for players like Ennor and Jordan (especially).



  • @gt12 Ennor and Jordan still young and will get game time.

    I’d be pulling out all the stops to try and keep Goodhue playing centre because that will be his best shot at being a long term AB as well.



  • @gt12 Crotty has actually missed very few games (he played 15 games this season). He has been taken off early a few times, but mostly that was precautionary, until he broke his thumb.

    IMO, the Crusaders don't need Jordie. Havili and Goodhue can both play at 12, and in the few "easy" games, they can give game time to Punivai at 12. I prefer Havili at 15 and Goodhue at 13 though.



  • @Stargazer I agree recruiting Jordie is not as important as a couple of decent Loose Forwards and a TH.They to me are more important plenty of 2nd Five cover as you have mentioned. Then there is the option of a McLeod type younger player for long term development



  • @gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:

    @Stargazer

    With Crotty gone, I wonder if there will be so many injury opportunities in the Saders midfield....

    Goodhue is a much better 13 than 12, so 12 is an opportunity, but there are a few very talented players who won’t even make the 23 if Jordie goes there. I think it’s a risk for players like Ennor and Jordan (especially).

    Only big reason for Jordie to shift is if he has his heart set on playing second-five and knows he won't get much of a shot with Laumape having that spot locked up.

    It's pointless for the Crusaders to sign him as a fullback with Havili and Jordan (and Bridge) already on the books.



  • Whatever happens i hope Goodhue stays at 13. The ABs need him to stay there long term.

    Not too fussed who Jordie ends up playing for, but if moving to the Crusaders and playing 12 gets him in his “best” position and he improves as a player that is good for NZ rugby.



  • The Crusaders' head coach confirmed they've filled one of the two vacancies created by the departure of Ronan O'Gara and Brad Mooar, while they're in discussions with a handful of people regarding the other opening. 
    
    Robertson shed little light on the coach he's snagged, which will be announced by the Crusaders this week, but confirmed he had thought outside the box, as was the case when he lured Irishman O'Gara to Christchurch ahead of the 2018 season.
    
    "I know the market well. If I didn't know who was out there, I'm not doing my job," Robertson said.
    
    The newcomer will take over from Mooar, who has taken over as head coach of Welsh side Scarlets after four seasons with the Crusaders, including one year as a defence coach under former coach Todd Blackadder. 
    
    Mooar predominantly worked with the inside backs under Robertson, and was charged with leading the team's attack, strategy and game planning. 
    
    Robertson also confirmed Andrew Goodman, who is sharing Tasman's head coaching role with Clarke Dermody this year, was in the process of re-signing with the franchise for a third season.
    
    Former Mako captain Goodman assisted Robertson as defence coach, and individual technical development, this season. 
    
    Forwards coach Jason Ryan inked a new two-year deal with the red and blacks in April. 
    
    The final coaching structure won't be finalised until the final vacancy has been filled, but there's a chance Goodman will take over from O'Gara, who worked with the backs but has returned to France to coach La Rochelle.
    
    "We've got a lot of guys who are second and third year guys who will take over and push for those positions," Robertson said.
    
    "There's a lot of continuity, there's a lot of players that have come through our academy that know our systems, so the cohesion is really high and we've had a lot of them in with us the last few pre-seasons."
    
    That includes openside flanker and former New Zealand under-20s captain Tom Christie, who trained with the Crusaders all season and should earn a full contract next season as Todd's potential replacement. 
    
    "We've got four, potentially five, contracts to sort over the Mitre 10 Cup. We're negotiating with a couple of players to nail off. It's always evolving," Robertson said.
    
    "We have our scouts and tracking in place, so it all starts again."
    

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/114405809/super-rugby-crusaders-remain-on-the-prowl-for-one-more-assistant-coach



  • Greg Feek 🤫🤫. Saw him in chch a few weeks ago



  • @chchfanatic Good article about him.



  • The other name I’ve heard around the traps is Rob Penny.



  • @chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:

    The other name I’ve heard around the traps is Rob Penny.

    That would be a great signing. He would be perfectly positioned to take the rains from Razor if needed too.


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