NZ Judiciary
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Read these notes from the jugde and compare it to the sentence
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/r-v-milne/@@images/fileDecision?r=810.675585873
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@jegga said in NZ Judiciary:
@Godder said in NZ Judiciary:
Seems a bit low - wouldn't surprise me to see it increased on appeal.
With all the talk lately of hate crimes I would have thought that cretin would have had more publicity over what he did.
Why, did he misgender the victim? If he did then throw away the key.
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You’d have to ask what kind of moron would let someone who looks like this live with her family but 17 months doesn’t seem like much for attacking someone with a hammer in front of their kids .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12255340
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Can someone please enlighten me about the "female" in the below:
"after pleading guilty to assaulting a female"
Is that a thing? I thought assault was assault - the female part means what? Is that worse, in terms of sentencing?
Not planning on bashing any particular gender myself, but I have never heard of it.
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I suppose as a male is more likely to inflict more serious harm on a female, similar to an adult to a child.
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@booboo Thanks Boo, I had no idea, and that was 1961 - well before I was around and yes the damage / harm that can be done by a male is possibly relevant. Personally I think the violence is, men can be the victims as well apparently.
I wonder how that all fits in with our multi gender society now?
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@Snowy said in NZ Judiciary:
@booboo Thanks Boo, I had no idea, and that was 1961 - well before I was around and yes the damage / harm that can be done by a male is possibly relevant. Personally I think the violence is, men can be the victims as well apparently.
I wonder how that all fits in with our multi gender society now?
Women tend to get shorter sentences than men for the same crime .
I’m surprised more crims haven’t frocked up in court to get a shorter sentence and access to women who probably aren’t all that fussy .
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@jegga thats an interesting point...so a transgender would have to go into thier 'new' gender prison right?
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Judiciary:
@jegga thats an interesting point...so a transgender would have to go into thier 'new' gender prison right?
Yeah , Canada and the Uk have already had issues with troons raping women in prison . The Canadians actually put a pedophile in the minimum security part where there was women with babies.
Probably some huge compensation payments coming up for the victims.
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@jegga another crazy scenario from the fern that will undoubtedly come to fruition one day.
We're getting good at predicting the short comings of ridiculous legislation from myopic authorities who simply have no awareness of bad faith actors in society.
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@Tim said in NZ Judiciary:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/114821603/pedestrian-killed-by-fleeing-driver/
Great decision to let that prick back on the streets.
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"No doubt there will be letters to the editor demanding my resignation," Christchurch District Court Judge Raoul Neave said at Tuesday's sentencing. "It won't be the first time and it won't be the last."
...yep that's a pretty safe assumption. May have even been a letter to the editor demanding a "Head on a pike" had the killed pedestrian been a child.
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@Rembrandt yeah at least it wasn't a child... Huh?
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@Bones said in NZ Judiciary:
@Rembrandt yeah at least it wasn't a child... Huh?
Outrage over the death of a homeless man will be significantly less than that of a child.
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@SammyC said in NZ Judiciary:
@Tim said in NZ Judiciary:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/114821603/pedestrian-killed-by-fleeing-driver/
Great decision to let that prick back on the streets.
That intensive supervision that allows the authorities to monitor him is obviously top notch.
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Two rapes? No jail for you if you're good at sports
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@JC said in NZ Judiciary:
@jegga That is screwed up. If he’s that bad now imagine him with the extra sense of entitlement and arrogance arising from being told by a judge how special he is. Why does his future outweigh the future he stole from those young girls?
Its fucked. And you are right too, he's only going to get worse. It reminds me of these two little shits who got a slap on the wrist because apparently they were promising rugby players too
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11858288
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Another example of the law being an ass
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@jegga said in NZ Judiciary:
Two rapes? No jail for you if you're good at sports
Stuff has in the mean time added this correction to the article:
* CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story incorrectly reported that the teenager had been spared jail after a court heard of his promising sport career. In fact, because the case was heard in the Youth Court a jail term was not a sentencing option available to the judge. We regret the error. -
@Stargazer said in NZ Judiciary:
@jegga said in NZ Judiciary:
Two rapes? No jail for you if you're good at sports
Stuff has in the mean time added this correction to the article:
* CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story incorrectly reported that the teenager had been spared jail after a court heard of his promising sport career. In fact, because the case was heard in the Youth Court a jail term was not a sentencing option available to the judge. We regret the error.It also says the police tried to get the trial held in court so he would be available for a jail sentence. Our justice system appears to have very few fucks to give to victims of crime .
I swear this guy was already on his last chance -
@jegga that is a massive F-up in reporting by Stuff. No real surprises though aye.
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@jegga said in NZ Judiciary:
@Stargazer said in NZ Judiciary:
@jegga said in NZ Judiciary:
Two rapes? No jail for you if you're good at sports
Stuff has in the mean time added this correction to the article:
* CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story incorrectly reported that the teenager had been spared jail after a court heard of his promising sport career. In fact, because the case was heard in the Youth Court a jail term was not a sentencing option available to the judge. We regret the error.It also says the police tried to get the trial held in court so he would be available for a jail sentence. Our justice system appears to have very few fucks to give to victims of crime .
I swear this guy was already on his last chanceHe was only in the car because he was handing back his gang patch.... I'm more than a little sceptical of that claim.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Judiciary:
@jegga that is a massive F-up in reporting by Stuff. No real surprises though aye.
No surprises, the cops should have pushed harder to get him into court though, if he's raped two girls before he was 18 I'd put good money on him doing it again.
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Once again , zero fucks for the victim who lives next door to this kid.
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@jegga A complete little shit.
On a side note, I would be quite happy to never read/hear again about some fuckstick's promising/potential sports career impacted if they get a criminal conviction. Don't want a conviction? Don't commit crimes. It should be about impact on the victim.
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@Mokey said in NZ Judiciary:
@jegga A complete little shit.
On a side note, I would be quite happy to never read/hear again about some fuckstick's promising/potential sports career impacted if they get a criminal conviction. Don't want a conviction? Don't commit crimes. It should be about impact on the victim.
Agree , these are the attitudes wanting to reform our justice system at the moment though
This one in particular appalls me
And Alison Mau split $26000 with another speaker to mc the justice summit. She also hasn't said a thing about labour having an alleged rapist working for them despite hijacking #metoo in NZ and becoming the face of it.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132960
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@jegga If National had a leader who wasn't a farking idiot, they could be making hay with this. 1.6m on a two day summit?
Also, Alison Mau is a giant hypocrite. You can't be all dum dee doo, nothing to see here, if the sexual assault stuff is within the party you support. You're against it, you're against it all.
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One of those classic "wellness" raw unpasteurised juice companies.... who didn't extend the wellness courtesy to their own staff...
A fruit juice company whose employee was killed after being dragged into machinery has been fined $367,500 and ordered to pay $141,000 to the employee's widower.
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Home detention for man who twisted and broke 4-year-old's leg
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Dean Gray also kicked the young boy in the head at least once.
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@Tim that is grim. Real grim. I struggle with the use of home detention where it's a softer (but not easy) sentence condition. I am totally for rehabilitation but there are crimes that really challenge where the line is - or how punishment transitions to rehabilitation without undercutting the chance of genuine behaviour change.
Cause this guy is a fluffybunny. While I hope he can become a passable human being was being in prison while on remand enough stick?
Is home detention that much cheaper? Aside from the monitoring side of things surely it is. Also wonder if home detention will be seen as even softer, or possibly harder, now that people have experienced lockdown a few times.
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@Paekakboyz Yeah, I don't usually like posting that sort of thing, but that instance struck me as particularly cruel.
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@Tim and with our shit record of child abuse stuff like that is far too common
Also as the cycle continues we will continue to have people who get sentenced with consideration of their own troubled aka fucking horrid upbringings. Obviously far more context and nuance in the mix. But holy shit we need to figure out a way forward with all of this.
Crimes Act 1961
Assault - Community Law
