Bledisloe #2



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:

    Surprised that with Goodhue, Barrett, Franks out of the starting lineup they’ve only bought in two Crusaders, Reece and Bridge. Doesn’t add up.

    I blame Fox.

    Your constant dad-level Crusaders jokes always make me smile.
    Keep 'em coming



  • @Tim said in Bledisloe #2:

    Ben Smith and Franks gone!

    Maybe it's just an experiment, but I think sacrificing Ben Smith is a big mistake, at least for the RWC.

    The selectors should drop the 2 starting 10 idea, put Smith at 15, and put BB back to 15 and RM to 10 around the 50 minute mark.

    You can't beat a mistake free experienced rugby player in knockout matches, and that has been proven multiple times.

    However, maybe they want to try out Reece and Bridge.

    I really REALLY think the selectors are missing a beat by not putting Ennor on the bench ahead of Jordie Barrett.



  • @Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe #2:

    @Tim said in Bledisloe #2:

    Ben Smith and Franks gone!

    Maybe it's just an experiment, but I think sacrificing Ben Smith is a big mistake, at least for the RWC.

    The selectors should drop the 2 starting 10 idea, put Smith at 15, and put BB back to 15 and RM to 10 around the 50 minute mark.

    You can't beat a mistake free experienced rugby player in knockout matches, and that has been proven multiple times.

    However, maybe they want to try out Reece and Bridge.

    I really REALLY think the selectors are missing a beat by not putting Ennor on the bench ahead of Jordie Barrett.

    The two tens concept is good. Gives ability to make a play off a play. Does this mean that Bender is unable to play in his best place? Yes.
    However Bender at 14 should also be better than any of the other options and currently he is struggling.
    Franks has been a waste of space for ages and Moody has caught his bug.
    The forwards simply have to front up and that starts with numbers 1 and 3.



  • A slightly slower Ben Smith is still miles better than Jordie Barrett -especially in such a high pressure match.



  • One thing is sure - you'd be paid big money if you'd bet on this being the team to play in a deciding Bledisloe match at the start of the year!

    Looks to me that this is a bit of a "can't make an omelette without breaking eggs team" - that some of these guys (Bridge and Reece especially) were scheduled to play this game with the Bled supposed to be already safely locked in the cupboard.

    Hansen sticking with his plan?



  • I've learned not to doubt southermans tips.

    I think Hansen's put everyone on notice and dropped some previous stalwarts to emphasize the point.

    Admittedly he's picked quite an important match to prove said point, though

    I guess he's just going to tell these guys to go out there, at home, and retain that cup we've had for so long.

    This game gets more enticing each day.



  • Perhaps there are injuries. We simply don't know the reason for the changes yet.



  • @Nepia said in Bledisloe #2:

    Is that the actual team? A 3rd 7 still on the bench? Ioane dropped when he was playing himself back into form despite tutae ball? As already mentioned the giraffe back in? Reece?

    I think I'm nearly ready to join the sky is falling in crowd. 🙂

    @SouthernMann seems to have a good sauce



  • Yep the starting wingers were definitely the issue



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  • @Chris said in Bledisloe #2:

    2 things stand out they are determined to stick with the BB and RM starting combo
    And the twin open sides in Ardie and Sam
    Points to trying to play the game at extreme pace with Todd on the bench again 3 open sides in the 23.

    Based on first half rewatch RM was fine on Saturday, and BB mixture, so no problem with Beau'unga.

    Laulala is good at scrumtime (only three in first half) and more mobile than Owen, so makes sense. Bigger issue is that Ofa on bench at LH will probably struggle bigtime with Tupou who is six inches shorter. Need Moli or Karl T in RWC squad.

    Cane/Savea is predictable, given TWM's obstinence, but nether has the instincts of an enforcer to punish/discourage jaywalking around rucks/scrums/etc.. That concerns me. Also Todd on bench seems waste. SOS Squire?

    Not sure what quite to make of Reece/Jordie. Rieko was fine on Saturday, even though Benda off pace. On balance, I imagine they felt need to test Reece at top level. Maybe between him and Jordie for 14 backup?



  • Who would have picked a top XV with everyone fully fit that wouldn't include Smith or Jordie.

    If they dump Ben Smith a month out from the RWC from the XV after preaching experience, experience, experience all cycle at the expense of having a full look at other options then they may as well give it away.

    The only way it makes sense if Smith is carrying a niggle and they've made the judgement that Smith at 80% isn't good enough anymore - which is reasonable. But if that were the case I doubt they would have risked him last week with RWC looming.

    Surely Smith is the type of player who doesn't need to be "sent a message".



  • Also, there is nothing wrong with moving on from an old stalwart on the eve of a RWC, for some it can just be a bridge too far; a similar thing happened with Mils in 2011. If Hansen and co have made the judgement that Smith's 10 year career is in it's twilight and he isn't starting calibre anymore then I have to trust their judgement. They aren't going to play favourites and won't pick players on past glories when their form is waning.

    Oh and welcome back SBW.



  • @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

    Who would have picked a top XV with everyone fully fit that wouldn't include Smith or Jordie.

    If they dump Ben Smith a month out from the RWC from the XV after preaching experience, experience, experience all cycle at the expense of having a full look at other options then they may as well give it away.

    The only way it makes sense if Smith is carrying a niggle and they've made the judgement that Smith at 80% isn't good enough anymore - which is reasonable. But if that were the case I doubt they would have risked him last week with RWC looming.

    Surely Smith is the type of player who doesn't need to be "sent a message".

    Will be interesting to find out if injuries a factor -- Franks for example.



  • @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

    Oh and welcome back SBW.

    Yep. We def. need physicality, off-loading, ball skills, discipline, leadership,. ball retention and rugby nous in the midfield.



  • SouthernMann had the good oil!

    1. Joe Moody (39)

    2. Dane Coles (63)

    3. Nepo Laulala (18)

    4. Patrick Tuipulotu (23)

    5. Samuel Whitelock (110)

    6. Ardie Savea (37)

    7. Sam Cane (62)

    8. Kieran Read - captain (120)

    9. Aaron Smith (85)

    10. Richie Mo’unga (11)

    11. George Bridge (3)

    12. Sonny Bill Williams (52)

    13. Anton Lienert-Brown (36)

    14. Sevu Reece (1)

    15. Beauden Barrett (76)

    16. Codie Taylor (43)

    17. Ofa Tuungafasi (28)

    18. Angus Ta’avao (6)

    19. Jackson Hemopo (4)

    20. Matt Todd (19)

    21. TJ Perenara (57)

    22. Ngani Laumape (12)

    23. Jordie Barrett (10)



  • Shag says they know what Benda, Rieko and Owen can do and wanted to see if Nepo, Reece and Bridge have what it takes.
    Suspect that if Ofa were to handle Tupou (unlikely) they'd be moving towards him as second loosehead for RWC.





  • @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

    Surely Smith is the type of player who doesn't need to be "sent a message".

    I don’t know that they are sending a message. Certainly not to him; tho’ possibly a message to others. They already know what they have with him — a senior leader, one of the world’s most experienced rugby players. I suspect they’re resting him and bleeding a couple newbies before the WC, possibly to give them some pressure minutes in a black jersey, possibly to help the selectors. They’re unlikely to learn anything they don’t already know about Ben. They want to nurse his knee, and he hasn’t been sharp for a while. My take anyway.



  • @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

    SouthernMann had the good oil!

    Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
    I'm going for a lie down.



  • @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

    SouthernMann had the good oil!

    Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
    I'm going for a lie down.

    Was going to complain about this, but @Snowy beat me to it. It upsets the natural order of things.

    also, thanks @SouthernMann good consistent oil, cheers



  • As for the Jordie selection - we were down to one Barrett for this match so he had to be picked. Always got to have at least two apparently.



  • If they were experimenting you’d think they’d have Bender on the bench in case of emergency. That he’s out completely in such a crunch match surely suggests he’s still injured. But dropping Rieko as well is what’s really perplexing. We’re left with two starting wingers as green as the Eden Park turf and a backstop on the bench with the Hex Factor. It’s like they’re playing Russian Roulette with five bullets in the chamber.



  • @MrDenmore they are either grasping at straws, or this is all part of some grand plan....



  • @MrDenmore said in Bledisloe #2:

    If they were experimenting you’d think they’d have Bender on the bench in case of emergency. That he’s out completely in such a crunch match surely suggests he’s still injured

    Was implied that the hammy still wasn't right in an article in the Herald. Would also explain why he has looked slow (whether that is due to lack of confidence in it, or it still is giving problems physically).



  • @nzzp said in Bledisloe #2:

    @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

    SouthernMann had the good oil!

    Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
    I'm going for a lie down.

    Was going to complain about this, but @Snowy beat me to it. It upsets the natural order of things.

    also, thanks @SouthernMann good consistent oil, cheers

    It’s called sauce. Get it right.



  • @canefan I think Chris B probably got it right. It was a grand plan hatched on the presumption that the Bledisloe would be tucked away after the Perth match. Had that been the case this selection would have looked smart. It now looks desperate. But as others have pointed out who the wingers are is immaterial if the front five aren’t winning the ball



  • @Crucial said in Bledisloe #2:

    @nzzp said in Bledisloe #2:

    @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

    SouthernMann had the good oil!

    Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
    I'm going for a lie down.

    Was going to complain about this, but @Snowy beat me to it. It upsets the natural order of things.

    also, thanks @SouthernMann good consistent oil, cheers

    It’s called sauce. Get it right.

    I believe the young ones call it "awesome sauce" these days.

    https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/awesomesauce/

    A young employee of mine said it and I actually thought she read the Fern for a minute.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe #2:

    @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

    Oh and welcome back SBW.

    Yep. We def. need physicality, off-loading, ball skills, discipline, leadership,. ball retention and rugby nous in the midfield.

    Love the description. Not sure who that player is though.



  • @MrDenmore you have to win the battle up front before you spin it to the backs!



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #2:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe #2:

    @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

    Oh and welcome back SBW.

    Yep. We def. need physicality, off-loading, ball skills, discipline, leadership,. ball retention and rugby nous in the midfield.

    Love the description. Not sure who that player is though.

    Irony is sometimes spelt "Sonny Bill Williams".



  • @MrDenmore said in Bledisloe #2:

    @canefan I think Chris B probably got it right. It was a grand plan hatched on the presumption that the Bledisloe would be tucked away after the Perth match. Had that been the case this selection would have looked smart. It now looks desperate. But as others have pointed out who the wingers are is immaterial if the front five aren’t winning the ball

    Cue the tight 5 (apart from Sam) getting shown what for again, while the wingers romp in 20 or more points between them.



  • It's almost like they've dropped Reiko because Tuipulotu coming into the tight five would mean "too many Blues" at Eden Park...



  • @Donsteppa said in Bledisloe #2:

    "too many Blues"

    Hmmm, being a Blues supporter, that is actually a thing.



  • @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

    SouthernMann had the good oil!

    Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.

    You know what's worse than naming the team on Wed? Not naming the team at all. That happened last week, and we all know the result of that mistake.



  • Shag said in the beginning of the season that his focus was the Bledisloe and the World Cup.

    He lied



  • @pakman said in Bledisloe #2:

    Laulala is good at scrumtime (only three in first half) and more mobile than Owen, so makes sense. Bigger issue is that Ofa on bench at LH will probably struggle bigtime with Tupou who is six inches shorter. Need Moli or Karl T in RWC squad.

    Ofa has more experience than Moli at LH at this point. Moli was injured all of 2018 and only started playing regularly at LH for the Chiefs when he returned this season. We will get a better idea of the scrum battle when it is 8 vs 8.



  • 4th midfield combination in 4 tests this year.



  • Well we are going to get answers on a lot of players after Saturday.

    Bridge, Reece, Tuipulotu, Hemopo, SBW, Ofa as a loosehead.

    I'm not sure we are going to like all the answers.



  • @KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe #2:

    Well we are going to get answers on a lot of players after Saturday.

    Bridge, Reece, Tuipulotu, Hemopo, SBW, Ofa as a loosehead.

    I'm not sure we are going to like all the answers.

    Happy with Reece and Bridge - they looked Ok so far in Black.

    Opportunity for Ofa, Pat T & Hempopo to step up. And for SBW not to fcuk up too much


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