Hong Kong


  • Banned

    The thing is, how can Beijing back down from this and avoid future protests and, most importantly, potential protests on the mainland? Could it be the case of weighing up the short-term international outrage and financial pain against allowing a movement that could be the spark that eventually topples the regime? China has been compared to Kaiser Wilhelm's Germany. I reckon that's pretty spot on, but I hope to Christ they have the good sense not to go the full retard like Bill did.







  • @jegga That stuff makes me sick. Reminds me of Maxim Gorky's visit to the soviet 're-education camps' to quell international concern over what they really were. Bodies were hidden, places were tidied, slave labour and torture stopped for a couple days. He met the prisoners who dared not breath a word of the horrors that were going on but a 14 year old boy bravely took him aside and told him everything.

    The boy got a bullet in the back of the head before Gorky had even boarded his return ship. The piston wristed gibbon didn't write about it, god forbid reality get in the way of an ideological utopia.



  • @Rembrandt said in Hong Kong:

    @jegga That stuff makes me sick. Reminds me of Maxim Gorky's visit to the soviet 're-education camps' to quell international concern over what they really were. Bodies were hidden, places were tidied, slave labour and torture stopped for a couple days. He met the prisoners who dared not breath a word of the horrors that were going on but a 14 year old boy bravely took him aside and told him everything.

    The boy got a bullet in the back of the head before Gorky had even boarded his return ship. The piston wristed gibbon didn't write about it, god forbid reality get in the way of an ideological utopia.

    Henry A Wallace visited Ptompkin villages in Siberia and came home convinced by what he saw and played down the Soviet threat . He was going to run for president and was going to appoint two kgb spies to senior positions in his administration if he did.



  • @jegga Wallace did run for President - for the Progressives. At least he fessed up and admitted the USSR was evil.

    Interesting guy - should have been the President after FDR but lost the VP nomination despite being the popular party choice because some good ol' boys didn't like his anti-segregationist stance.

    Real contrast to Truman. World would be a different place if he'd compromised on his racial equality principals. Also founded a multi billion dollar company.

    Prett sure he'd be on the protesters side in HK



  • @jegga New York times and their Holodomor denial. This garbage has been going on for ages. Independent journalism could really do some good if the social media giants weren't so intent on being the propaganda arms of certain establishments.

    Back on topic apparently Twitter and Facebook are deleting chinese mis-information accounts...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/twitter-facebook-take-down-chinese-accounts-targeting-hong-kong-protests/ar-AAG1OYx

    Twitter will no longer accept advertising from state-controlled media outlets, specifically those that are either financially or editorially controlled by a nation-state.

    I wonder if that will also apply to Straya's ABC and the UK's BBC? Or is that approved propaganda?



  • @Rembrandt May I introduce Yuri Bezmenov?

    Went down a huge rabbit hole with his YouTube videos. In the 80s he defected to America and laid it all out in 4 steps, even the 30 year progression that's lead to today's insanity.

    The guy nailed it.



  • @dogmeat said in Hong Kong:

    @jegga Wallace did run for President - for the Progressives. At least he fessed up and admitted the USSR was evil.

    Interesting guy - should have been the President after FDR but lost the VP nomination despite being the popular party choice because some good ol' boys didn't like his anti-segregationist stance.

    Real contrast to Truman. World would be a different place if he'd compromised on his racial equality principals. Also founded a multi billion dollar company.

    Prett sure he'd be on the protesters side in HK

    Thanks for the correction, I’m glad he didn’t become president. Truman wasn’t taking any shit from Stalin to the point of threatening nukes if he didn’t his troops out of Iran as per their wartime deal .



  • Concerning. Chinese police cars at Australian rallies against China.

    Very weird and coincidental prank if it is that. Shame they aren't saying the ethnicity of the perpetrators.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-19/fake-chinese-police-cars-spotted-in-adelaide-and-perth/11426850



  • @Rembrandt said in Hong Kong:

    Very weird and coincidental prank if it is that

    I'm not finding it very funny.



  • Australia..we have a problem.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-16/pro-hong-kong-rallies-see-tensions-boil-over-melbourne-adelaide/11423332

    I'm not picking these pro-China folk as being your average run of the mill Australian citizen, they are likely to be employed by the Chinese government. It's one thing having these folk in the shadows buying our politicians but out in the open like this well that's kind of new.



  • I'm sure there have been other incidents but I've been following a couple of instances of people supporting the HK protesters and the repercussions.

    First guy was the GM of the Rockets tweeting, and the Chinese not reacting well at all. The NBA commissioner is involved now and treading that line between free speech but not wanting to foul all the coverage and $$ the NBA gets via China. Interesting that the company Tencent is coming up - they have their finger in sport, gaming, and also dropped a fat investment in Reddit a year or so ago.

    Second one is a Hearthstone gamer who won a comp in Taiwan. During his interview with the casters he made a statement about supporting the HK crew. Blizzard (Activision) who are massive with games like WoW, Starcraft 2, Hearthstone, cut the guys winnings and banned him for 12 months, then they fired the casters even though they had nothing to do with the guys comments. Blizzard has been going HAM with mobile games full of micro-transactions aimed at the Chinese market - so $$ talk very loudly.

    oh and have been keen to watch the latest South Park episode 'Band in China' - have been laughing at their mock apology and ability to skewer the actions of China who apparently have now scrubbed South Park off their internet!

    Unfortunately it seems the stuff happening in HK is getting increasingly grim.



  • Well Blizzard's approach has blown up in their faces. Memes galore, heaps of people cancelling their subscriptions, more prominent players and casters opting out of Blizzard events, and protests by Blizzards own staff - not to mention some political commentary from Senators Rubio and Wyden. They have Blizzcon coming up and after the last one was a shambles with Diablo for mobile being released (ie for a Chinese market) they must be nervous about things. I hear a lot of pooh bear costumes are being hired 🙂





  • Another interesting thread from one a bigwig game designer:



  • Not to go too far down the gaming rabbit hole but Epic is 40% owned by Tencent. But the CEO has come out to support HK and say that they won't be influenced by Tencent or flip to pro-China to protect revenue.

    Note: Epic own Fortnite 😁



  • This is getting next level ridiculous. Blizzard has apparently blocked people deleting their accounts....Yeah that'll calm them down.

    That's the thing with would-be authoritarians it takes them a while to work out the only way to force someone into their utopian ideals is through violence.



  • @Rembrandt it's insanity, from info I've seen China is still the much smaller market compared to Western audiences. So they must have some compelling predictions about market growth. Especially since their Diablo knock-off hasn't gone overly well (anywhere).

    Loving the European folks using their data laws to force Blizzard to delete their accounts and get their data sent to them. In other countries Blizzard are making changes to how you can delete an account. Somehow they think they'll lose fewer customers this way?? wtffffffff



  • Meanwhile, LVMH still handily beat quarterly earnings expectations despite the effects of the HK protests. So people are still buying $2k leather bags after they're done fighting the police 🤷🏻♂



  • @TeWaio said in Hong Kong:

    Meanwhile, LVMH still handily beat quarterly earnings expectations despite the effects of the HK protests. So people are still buying $2k leather bags after they're done fighting the police 🤷🏻♂

    That's HK in a nutshell. #mustlookrich





  • Kid protests Hong Kong situation by tricking NBA cameras.



  • Incredible scenes, looks like out of a movie or from Les Mis. I don't think this is dying down anytime soon.



  • Deaths look like an inevitability now sadly.



  • It's a good way to play into China's hands; create an ongoing state of lawlessness to ensure they send in troops. You have to wonder at the intellect of some people.



  • @antipodean what alternatives do they have? peaceful protest? wasn't that met with force as well?



  • @Paekakboyz said in Hong Kong:

    @antipodean what alternatives do they have? peaceful protest? wasn't that met with force as well?

    Are they allowed to protest in China? If not, then stay within the confines of the law and you won't be met with a violent govt reaction.



  • @Paekakboyz said in Hong Kong:

    @antipodean what alternatives do they have? peaceful protest? wasn't that met with force as well?

    The extradition bill has been withdrawn. Objective met. Stop poking the bear.



  • @antipodean said in Hong Kong:

    @Paekakboyz said in Hong Kong:

    @antipodean what alternatives do they have? peaceful protest? wasn't that met with force as well?

    The extradition bill has been withdrawn. Objective met. Stop poking the bear.

    Protestors have crossed a few lines now and are starting to lose a fair bit of support.

    I'm not sticking up for the police or anything, as undoubtedly alot of their responses / behaviour has been completely unacceptable. However, all I see is very very one sided. As an example, a protestor has shot a police officer with an arrow, and its' barely reported on.

    Petrol bombs, bow and arrows etc etc. Thats just nuts.



  • @antipodean said in Hong Kong:

    @Paekakboyz said in Hong Kong:

    @antipodean what alternatives do they have? peaceful protest? wasn't that met with force as well?

    The extradition bill has been withdrawn. Objective met. Stop poking the bear.

    That was the original aim. However, the view is that the police response was very "China", in that they could do what they want and face zero repurcussions. The rule / law of state makes them untouchable.

    Hence, the aim has now gotten much wider.



  • @antipodean said in Hong Kong:

    It's a good way to play into China's hands; create an ongoing state of lawlessness to ensure they send in troops.

    Have heard a conspiracy theory from some HK folk that some of the "protesters" are mainland plants and or triads sent in to cause civil unrest - hence playing in to China's hands.

    Not out of the realms of possibility. Some of this is well out of character for HK people.



  • @Snowy said in Hong Kong:

    @antipodean said in Hong Kong:

    It's a good way to play into China's hands; create an ongoing state of lawlessness to ensure they send in troops.

    Have heard a conspiracy theory from some HK folk that some of the "protesters" are mainland plants and or triads sent in to cause civil unrest - hence playing in to China's hands.

    Not out of the realms of possibility. Some of this is well out of character for HK people.

    Oldest trick in the Asia book that one. Exactly that happened in the Bangkok riots between red and yellow shirts. Protesters running away getting shot face on.





  • @MajorRage said in Hong Kong:

    Protestors have crossed a few lines now and are starting to lose a fair bit of support.

    What's your thoughts on the election? Surprised? Or is the support for the pro democracy parties distinct from the support for the protesters?



  • @Duluth said in Hong Kong:

    @MajorRage said in Hong Kong:

    Protestors have crossed a few lines now and are starting to lose a fair bit of support.

    What's your thoughts on the election? Surprised? Or is the support for the pro democracy parties distinct from the support for the protesters?

    Directly, pointless. There are already a few articles floating around about how the actual result of the votes is more 60/40.

    Indirectly, at least a calming period ahead. Small victories for protesters which don't mean anything in the big scheme of things should help with peace. Carrie Lam should use this time to work out the path forwards. Although I do fear that her well known lack of any actual power will come to the front as Beijing looks to continue to "crack down".

    If protesters can cease violence for a while (Police are taking all the criticism, and they may be the main instigators, but protest action has crossed many a line), then a resolution may appear forthcoming.




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