Super Rugby 2020



  • @Bovidae
    Shame, could've been a star player based on his HS form.



  • @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @mofitzy_ said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @nzzp
    Has he missed his shot at U20s?

    If he or any player turns 20 this year they are out of luck. IIRC the cut-off date is Jan in the year of the tournament.

    Not sure there will bea n U20 this year anyway



  • @mofitzy_

    I was trying to find Niko's exact DOB but no luck.

    @nzzp Yes, this year's U20 tournament has been cancelled.



  • @Canes4life Jesus I hope Gats doesn't sign him either. Send all the old Hurricanes backs down south.



  • @nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @nzzp Even though Niko played no.8 at schoolboy level I don't think he has the size to play there at senior level. I think he'll follow his old man and move to openside.

    and then on to 6 as he gets older

    As long as he plays on bloody Sundays!



  • He has said he will.



  • Brodie Retallick, Waisake Naholo, Ben Smith, Ryan Crotty among others are back in the country, too, but not expected to suit up. And while not seeking a New Zealand contract until next season, Julian Savea has announced intentions to return from France.

    Why can't all players returning from lucrative excursions to the safe havens of home be swiftly ushered into the five franchises to immediately enhance the quality of the derby competition?

    As usual money, or in this case insurance, is the bottom line. The Herald understands insurance costs are in the tens of thousands for each player contracted abroad. These agreements can take months to negotiate, even for a 10-week competition.



  • @Tim IMO there's an upside to those players (except Retallick, who was away on a sabattical, like Whitelock) not playing SR Aotearoa. They are at the end of their career, but they would possibly push new, young players out of the matchday 23. While it would be fun to watch them play again and at least some of them would raise the game of their franchise, their presence might stall the development of the players that we have to rely on in the next few years. These players have had their time, have said their goodbyes; now it's the turn of a new generation.

    (can't read the article, because it's "premium")



  • @Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2020:

    So now Julian Savea is looking for a return to either the Hurricanes, another NZ franchise or at the very least the Warriors apparently.

    I hope the Canes don’t go there, he is 4 years past his best and we don’t really need wingers with Salesi Rayasi coming back into the mix.

    Maybe his best chance is to play for Wellington in the NPC or at the Highlanders where the 2015 WC winning back three can re-connect.

    6 years past it, in fact. He was close to the ABs best player in 2013 and 2014, but has been below par since then (one barn-storming performance against France aside).



  • @Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @Tim IMO there's an upside to those players (except Retallick, who was away on a sabattical, like Whitelock) not playing SR Aotearoa. They are at the end of their career, but they would possibly push new, young players out of the matchday 23. While it would be fun to watch them play again and at least some of them would raise the game of their franchise, their presence might stall the development of the players that we have to rely on in the next few years. These players have had their time, have said their goodbyes; now it's the turn of a new generation.

    (can't read the article, because it's "premium")

    There is an upside but if you are good enough you will get your chance. I would rather have five strong Super Rugby teams and strong Mitre 10 Cup teams. One of the reasons teams are picking players out of school is teams are losing senior players so want to get their hands on young talent.



  • @Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @Tim IMO there's an upside to those players (except Retallick, who was away on a sabattical, like Whitelock) not playing SR Aotearoa. They are at the end of their career, but they would possibly push new, young players out of the matchday 23. While it would be fun to watch them play again and at least some of them would raise the game of their franchise, their presence might stall the development of the players that we have to rely on in the next few years. These players have had their time, have said their goodbyes; now it's the turn of a new generation.

    (can't read the article, because it's "premium")

    I'd normally be onboard with this view, but I think in the current climate the franchises should take advantage of the greater interest that having these guys playing is likely to garner. NZ rugby and the franchises need as many eye balls as possible watching this tournament and these guys are likely to help with that.



  • I'm all for as many of these guys playing as possible. They enhance depth and competition and raise the standard among the squads. Good young guys won't be blocked because if they're good enough they'll get a crack. If they're not good enough to supplant an aging veteran then so be it, as they'd have lowered the standard if playing by default.

    Squad depth has been eroded, and eroded, and eroded over the years. Some years it's been a negligible drop but others it's been substantial, and very noticeable. Get them back in. This can ONLY help.





  • Eden Park CEO was talking about how they might get crowds back: Link

    10 gates and 500 people per gate for a crowd of 5000

    Possible to have some distancing and let in 40% capacity (20,000)

    Obviously that would depend on the Government & NZR. Also they have yet to be confirmed as the Blues home ground so maybe this is for the NPC



  • @Duluth said in Super Rugby 2020:

    Eden Park CEO was talking about how they might get crowds back: Link

    10 gates and 500 people per gate for a crowd of 5000

    Possible to have some distancing and let in 40% capacity (20,000)

    Obviously that would depend on the Government & NZR. Also they have yet to be confirmed as the Blues home ground so maybe this is for the NPC

    They'd be delighted with 20,000 even outside of COVID times



  • @booboo good marketing ploy, we are going to limit sales!



  • @booboo said in Super Rugby 2020:

    They'd be delighted with 20,000 even outside if COVID times

    Just below 20k is what they'd get for a big SR derby game in fine weather. With results improving that might change.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens when crowds are fully allowed back. A boost, or will people be cautious of big events?



  • The kick-off times are more family-friendly.



  • @Duluth I'm excited. Would love to get back to that...



  • They should be able to open for the corporate boxes, imo, Max ten in each. Same as a restaurant or whatever



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  • @Stargazer we need some live rugby back, and soon.



  • Ugh my screen is stained with gwa



  • @Machpants said in Super Rugby 2020:

    Ugh my screen is stained with gwa

    Ginga With Attitude?



  • @nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @Machpants said in Super Rugby 2020:

    Ugh my screen is stained with gwa

    Ginga With Attitude?

    Keep outta sunlight
    pale motherfucker with a red do
    from the gang called gingerz with attitude
    take my shirt off, take my hat off
    forget the sunscreen, my skin starts peeling off



  • @mariner4life brilliant



  • @nzzp said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @Machpants said in Super Rugby 2020:

    Ugh my screen is stained with gwa

    Ginga With Attitude?

    Possibly? Just means Ginger in UK forces, maybe not a widespread term!



  • @Machpants
    I preferred this:

    Gwa
    A 'Gwa' is a person with a general chernobyl look to them. They have a recessed chin, overbite, a sharp or overlarge nose, lazy eye and/or usually accompanied by other rat-like features. The recessed chin and overbite is mandatory. They are best determined by seeing a side profile. Its almost like their chin becomes one with their neck. Think of the movie "Gummo" or your typical trailer trash. The defination was created by Jennicartoon.com after noticing the evolving "look" of people. These "gwa's" got their name by basically looking like the only word they could spit past their stonehenge teeth would be "Gwa!"
    Holy shitballs! Look at the Gwa's picking through the dumpster!

    Apologies to the team above.



  • That’s probably accurate to what is meant , apparently (according to A.R.R.S.E. the army rumour service) it’s spelt ‘gwar’ in the forces





  • @KiwiMurph Good. I was concerned World Rugby's recent elections had them taken over by league lovers.



  • Why?

    Highlanders coach Aaron Mauger has confirmed that New Zealand Rugby has tabled an NRL-style 'golden point' system to decide drawn games in Super Rugby Aotearoa.
    
    "It has been tabled by New Zealand Rugby and the coaches have been part of that discussion as well," Mauger said on Wednesday.
    
    "I think it's a great idea. It's great for the spectacle. You can get a clear winner or loser."
    
    The proposal is in line with NZ Rugby's commitment to being innovative in Super Rugby Aotearoa, and although major rule changes are unlikely to be made the golden-point system would add some spice to a 10-week competition that doesn't have a finals system.
    


  • @Bovidae to minimise the chances of two teams on the same 'competition' points at the end of the 10 weeks?

    Plus one of the benefits of this 'comp' is you can trial a few ideas.



  • @Bovidae I think it sucks in state house rugby so I don't want it in rugby.

    A draw is a result.



  • @KiwiMurph They could just use the same tie breakers as currently (who beats who, points differential).





  • @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @KiwiMurph They could just use the same tie breakers as currently (who beats who, points differential).

    Sure - but I don't think its a bad time to tweak these sort of things to see if fans like it.



  • NRL fans fucking hate golden point



  • @mariner4life the ratings say otherwise apparently.

    From an article from November on NRL.

    Greenberg said reverting to a system where teams finish with a draw if scores are locked up after 80 minutes was not on the table.
    
    "No. There has been no discussion with me and certainly I have been a strong proponent for supporting the concept of golden point," he said.
    
    "The numbers speak for themselves. When you get to the end of 80 minutes our ratings numbers on both broadcast partners go through the roof when we hit that (golden point) period.
    
    "We understand what business we are in. We are in the entertainment business and we are going to continue to find ways to innovate the game and make sure fans are fully engaged with us."
    


  • @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2020:

    @mariner4life the ratings say otherwise apparently.

    From an article from November on NRL.

    Greenberg said reverting to a system where teams finish with a draw if scores are locked up after 80 minutes was not on the table.
    
    "No. There has been no discussion with me and certainly I have been a strong proponent for supporting the concept of golden point," he said.
    
    "The numbers speak for themselves. When you get to the end of 80 minutes our ratings numbers on both broadcast partners go through the roof when we hit that (golden point) period.
    
    "We understand what business we are in. We are in the entertainment business and we are going to continue to find ways to innovate the game and make sure fans are fully engaged with us."
    

    what? do they go up at fulltime of a drawn game?


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