2019 NZ Schools



  • WTF!!

    Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!

    What a joke.



  • @Stargazer has Philpott moved from Under 20s to Schools? 😛

    Only one rep out of Wellington over both teams, that must be an all-time low.



  • @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    WTF!!

    Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!

    What a joke.

    How many are eligible?

    I've seen teams where, between international players and players who are too old, almost none were even eligible to be picked for NZSS.



  • @Canes4life It's quite bad if you see the small number of players from the Hurricanes region that were selected. One from Palmy Boys and one from Scots college in the NZ Schools team and two from Hastings Boys, one from Manukura, one from Feilding HS in the NZ Schools Barbarians team.



  • @Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.

    Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?



  • @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.

    Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?

    Everyone is under-represented, except inner Auckland.

    Until you realise that population-wise, the Hurricanes zone has about the right amount. Just because we are divided into five franchises, doesn't mean that each franchise has even close to the same number of people.



  • @Chester-Draws If I look at the list, I see schools under/overrepresented, not only regions.



  • Apparently, only one player in the Hastings 1st XV team was over 18. So that can't be the reason.



  • @Chester-Draws said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.

    Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?

    Everyone is under-represented, except inner Auckland.

    Until you realise that population-wise, the Hurricanes zone has about the right amount. Just because we are divided into five franchises, doesn't mean that each franchise has even close to the same number of people.

    That doesn't make much sense - the Canes have what, three players (by my rough calculation) in the team (including none from the top team in the region/country). The population of the region is nearly 1m.



  • @Canes4life said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Stargazer has Philpott moved from Under 20s to Schools? 😛

    Only one rep out of Wellington over both teams, that must be an all-time low.

    As I noted on the other thread - the Hammettuer is coach.



  • @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Chester-Draws If I look at the list, I see schools under/overrepresented, not only regions.

    As was ever so.



  • Before I get mobbed it is always hard to pick schools teams because of the geography and the fact that games between players competing for spots are rare unless they are in same comp.
    In terms of hurricanes representation and more specifically Wellington I just don’t think Wellington schools rugby is very strong atm (hate begins) scots got comprehensively beaten by Hastings. Even go down to u15 and Wellington college and st pats town came 15/16 out of 16 teams at one comp while st pats silverstream came down the bottom half of hurricanes tournament (they were top of their comp).
    The biggest surprise is some of sth island (whom I know reasonably well) selections which is more than in previous years. 4 from CBHS is ridiculous! Lopas and can understand even Max Hughes (although I think others in NZ have played better) other two I just don’t see how. Also two from St Andrews who as a team imploaded this year to finish 7th!! Although I see they have a member (or ex) as a skills coach iso wonder if that played a part.
    Will Gualter I like and can see why as well as Segner and
    In the end I assume that selectors know who is available and have had a good look at tapes/ live games.
    With all that still like to say good luck to those selected!



  • @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    WTF!!

    Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!

    What a joke.

    This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:

    2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
    2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
    2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
    2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
    2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
    2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
    2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
    2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 players



  • @Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    WTF!!

    Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!

    What a joke.

    This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:

    2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
    2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
    2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
    2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
    2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
    2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
    2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
    2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 players

    Goodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.



  • @Chester-Draws said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    WTF!!

    Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!

    What a joke.

    This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:

    2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
    2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
    2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
    2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
    2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
    2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
    2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
    2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 players

    Goodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.

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  • @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Chester-Draws Apart from 5 to 6 players, all players from this year's Hastings Boys 1st XV will return next year. So the majority will be eligible. Several players are year 11.

    Also, if they are eligible to play the Top 4 finals, doesn't that also mean they are eligible for NZ Schools?

    IIRC, I think they picked the main team that was mainly Year 13s, and the Baabaas were mainly Year 12s.
    So if they are Year 11, I'm assuming that's why they weren't picked.
    That was in the past, so not sure if it's still the same.

    Does anyone have a breakdown of the Year Levels of the players?



  • @Chester-Draws said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Number-10 said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    WTF!!

    Hastings Boys win the National Top 4 and have ZERO players in the NZ Schools team, and only TWO in the NZ Barbarians team!

    What a joke.

    This is not the first time in recent years that the national champion has had zero players in the NZ Schools team:

    2018 winners St Peter's College - 1 player in NZ Schools
    2017 winners Hastings BHS - 6 players
    2016 winners Mt Albert Grammar - 4 players
    2015 winners Rotorua BHS - 0 players
    2014 co-winners Hamilton BHS - 2 players
    2014 co-winners Scots College - 3 players
    2013 winners Hamilton BHS - 4 players
    2012 winners St Kentigern College - 2 players

    Goodness me, don't bring facts into it! Are you new to the Fern? Outrage is required here, and the fact that many others have suffered a similar fate isn't helpful.

    Yes, I have a chance for more outrage, by many you mean one? Add this to your population projection for the Canes region and it seems you have a trumpian outlook on size and numbers. 😉



  • @98blueandgold said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    Before I get mobbed it is always hard to pick schools teams because of the geography and the fact that games between players competing for spots are rare unless they are in same comp.

    http://www.nzrugby.co.nz/what-we-do/national-teams/new-zealand-schools

    They aren't just judged on their school games. There's camps, and provincial games etc.

    But going to a big school is a massive bonus. We recently had a student at my school that should have been in the secondary school team, but didn't go to the right school. He made it to U20 squad, once free of that problem.

    @Stargazer said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    Apparently, only one player in the Hastings 1st XV team was over 18. So that can't be the reason.

    They pretty much all have to be now, after a rule change, if I understood the rules correctly. Only two can be over 18 at the start of the year.

    I can't find the eligibility requirements for international schoolboy games though. I thought that it was younger than under 18 on the 1st January because of the different school years of NH teams.



  • @Chester-Draws I agree as I am also involved in schools rugby as well and have seen this a lot. 20s is where players should be aiming for not schools. What I was pointing out was the camps are a snapshot in a very short space of time. If you do not perform there that maybe your only chance so unless you are at a big school that is on tv or you are playing g a player regularly that you are in competition with it would be hard to make team.



  • 8 from Crusaders region schools in the top team is a pretty high representation. 30% or thereabouts. Zero from any Highlanders region schools but four from there in the Barbarians side. Two from my Dad's old school John McGlashan and one each from Kings HS and OBHS. It'd be pretty rare for OBHS to not have the greatest proportion of players, of Dunedin schools.



  • There has been some delay in the team naming of the NZ Māori U18 squad, today. I guess there was an unexpected abundance of choice after the NZ Schools and Barbarians Schools team naming. I'm keen to find out how many players from Hastings and Hamilton BHS will end up in this squad.



  • New Zealand Māori Under 18 teams named

    The Ngā Whatukura team will assemble in Rotorua on 17 September before matches against Fiji Schools (22 September) and in the game of three halves in Palmerston North against the New Zealand Schools and the New Zealand Schools Barbarians (26 September).
    

    The New Zealand Māori U18 Ngā Whatukura team is;

    Name School/club Iwi
    Blake Rogers Scots College Te Aupouri
    Carlos Karaitiana Rotorua BHS Ngāti Porou, Tūhoe
    Cassius Misa Te Teko Rugby & Sport Club Ngāti Kahungunu
    Ethan Seed Francis Douglas MC Te Atiawa
    Harry Hansen Otago BHS Ngāti Porou
    Hemopo Cunningham Rotorua BHS Ngāti Pikiao
    Hunter Nuku Taradale RFC Ngāti Kahungunu, Ngāi Tai
    Jacob Ward Napier BHS Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Kahungunu
    Jayden Walker Napier BHS Ngāti Kahungunu
    Jock McKenzie Westlake BHS Ngāti Maniapoto
    Jordan Thompson-Dunn Hastings BHS Ngāti Kahungunu
    Kaharoa Takuira-Mita Tauranga BHS Ngāti Rangi, Ngāti Ranginui
    Keegan McGregor Christchurch BHS Ngāti Raukawa
    Mercedes Hodge Hastings BHS Tūwharetoa
    Nephi Sanireve Trident High School Ngāti Awa, Tūwharetoa ki Kawerau
    Nikora Broughton Arataki Sports Club Ngāti Ruanui
    Niwa Barlow New Plymouth BHS Tūwharetoa
    Noah Hotham Hamilton BHS Ngāi Tai
    Rocky Olsen Whangarei BHS Ngāti Whātua
    Stuart Leach Rotorua BHS Ngāti Porou, Tūhoe
    Tamaikoha Te Aute Rangiuru Sports Club Te Arawa
    Taylor Dale Otago BHS Ngāpuhi, Ngāti Whātua
    Thomas Murray-Edwards New Plymouth BHS Ngāti Whakaue
    Tiaki Fabish Old Boys University, Wellington Ngāti Maniapoto, Te Whānau ā Apanui
    Valance Yates St Kentigern College Ngāpuhi

    Ngā Kaiako/Kaiwhakahaere

    Name Role Iwi
    Kahu Carey Head Coach Rangitāne, Ngāti Apa ki te Rā Tō
    Jeremy Wara Forwards Coach Tainui, Ngāti Tahinga, Ngāti Tiipa
    Ngatai Walker Backs Coach Ngāti Porou
    Simon Kneebone Set Piece Coach Ngāti Porou
    Duncan Cameron Manager Ngāti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa,Te Whānau ā Apanui, Rangitāne
    Mihaere Emery Cultural Advisor Tahoe, Ngāti Awa, Ngāti Maniapoto, Ngāti Koroki Kahukura, Ngāti Raukawa
    Tiki Edwards Campaign Manager Whakatōhea, Ngāti Raukawa

    .

    The New Zealand Māori Rugby Board also acknowledged and celebrated the players selected in the U18 Ngā Mareikura team. While there is no match for the under 18 girls in 2019, Palmer said the Board wanted to congratulate the efforts of the young wahine athletes this season and commented that efforts were being made to ensure a programme for this team would be established in future years.
    

    The NZ Māori U18 Ngā Mareikura team is:

    Name School/club Iwi
    Jaylyn Campbell Waitakere City Rugby Club Te Rarawa
    Tuia Edwards Hastings GHS Ngāti Kahungungu
    Vici Rose Green Hamilton GHS Ngāti Maniapoto
    Daeja Kaponga Putaruru College Ngāti Raukawa
    Jurney Blair Te Rarawa Rugby Club Te Rarawa
    Mia Anderson Kerikeri High school Ngāpuhi
    Savannah Bodman Kamo High school Ngāpuhi
    Raegan Robinson Karamu High school Ngāti Kahungunu
    Milly Mackay Petone RFC Ngāti Porou
    Alesha Williams New Plymouth GHS Te Atiawa
    Mania Nuku Hamilton GHS Ngai Te Rangi, Ngāti Ranginui
    Kelsey Teneti Lytton High School Ngāti Porou, Te Whānau ā Apanui
    Shaniqka Wall Nga Paerangi Manukura School Ngāti Tūwharetoa
    Cortez Te Pou Karamu High School Ngāti Kahungunu
    Raumati Rogers Marlborough Girls College Tūhoe
    Charm Sandilands Karamu High School Ngāti Kahungunu, Ngāi Tahu
    Holly Topp Tauranga Girls’ College Ngāi Tahu
    Layla Te Rini Trident High Schoo Tūwharetoa
    Klee Begbie Putaruru College Ngāti Raukawa
    Karlee Cruickshank Central Southland Ngāpuhi
    Jamie Church Kavanagh Collage Ngāti Maniapoto, Tūwharetoa, Te Arawa, Ngāti Porou
    Naia Toaolamai-Holden Christchurch Girls High Te Atiawa, Ngāti Porou
    Shania Kohinga North Otago Ngāti Maniapoto Ngāti Tūwharetoa
    Jasmine Oconnell Manukura Ngati-Kahungunu, Ngāti-Maniapoto
    Calista Ruruku University of Waikato Te Atihaunui-ā-Pāpārangi

    Ngā Kaiako/Kaiwhakahaere

    Name Role Iwi
    Jayson McRoberts Head Coach Ngāti Kahungunu
    Caleb Angew-Jones Assistant coach Ngāti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa
    Geri Paul Assistant Coach Ngāti Awa
    Paula Taylor Anderson Manager Te Atiawa
    Tamara Toaloamai Assistant manager Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Hāmoa
    Tuterangi Nepe-Apatu Support Ngāti Kahungunu


  • It's amazing what a good program can do (when its like mens and all the best talent ends up at the best schools). I use to ref the hastings girls games back in the early 2000's I would call them off with like 20 minutes to go as a sign of mercy they were honestly that bad. Good sign for girls rugby where a lot of them don't start playing until high school and don't pick there schools based on the rugby teams (im sure some do but not as large a % as boys rugby)





  • Good to see Hammett still trolling @Nepia



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  • @Toddy said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    Good to see Hammett still trolling @Nepia

    I think that the Hastings Boys guys can be proud, snubbed like Ma'a by the Hammetuer.



  • @Nepia said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    @Toddy said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    Good to see Hammett still trolling @Nepia

    I think that the Hastings Boys guys can be proud, snubbed like Ma'a by the Hammetuer.

    TO think, those Hastings boys would have only be 9 or 10 years old when Hammett began as Haurricanes coach in 2011. Where as members of the Rotorua 1st XV would have been about 15 years old back then.



  • Interesting that after the Maori team (all players who were left out of the NZSS and Barbarians teams in favor of foreign players) after beating Fiji Schools and the Barbarians last year, the 2019 Maori team is tasked with playing in a "game of three halves" against the NZSS and Barbarians teams. A rugby know-it-all at work didn't think that was strange at all - But then again he's a bit slow in the face.

    *Foreign Players - Players who, like the "red sea" if their own countries were playing against the ABs or Kiwis, they'd be supporting their actual countries and and staying true to their true colors (not black)



  • I've been away so won't be trawling through the thread but the Top 4 doesn't mean a lot for NZ Schools selection, as the majority of the squad weren't even there. As an example, the only Hamilton BHS player (Green) selected was injured so wasn't in Palmy, and CBHS has 3 players but couldn't beat Nelson.

    From what I have been told team is pretty much selected before then and the Super U18s competition is also important in identifying the talent and seeing how the players perform in that environment. You could argue that St Kents is still the school to go to for higher recognition. I believe there is also an unofficial rule where Yr 11 players aren't selected as they have 2 more years of eligibility. Quite a few players from the 2018 NZ Barbarians team have graduated to the 2019 NZS squad.



  • @Bovidae said in 2019 NZ Schools:

    I've been away so won't be trawling through the thread but the Top 4 doesn't mean a lot for NZ Schools selection, as the majority of the squad weren't even there. As an example, the only Hamilton BHS player (Green) selected was injured so wasn't in Palmy, and CBHS has 3 players but couldn't beat Nelson.

    From what I have been told team is pretty much selected before then and the Super U18s competition is also important in identifying the talent and seeing how the players perform in that environment. You could argue that St Kents is still the school to go to for higher recognition. I believe there is also an unofficial rule where Yr 11 players aren't selected as they have 2 more years of eligibility. Quite a few players from the 2018 NZ Barbarians team have graduated to the 2019 NZS squad.

    That, in itself, is a worry, considering the 2018 NZ Schools Barbarians squad was beaten by both Fiji Schools and NZ Maori U18, last year. Hopefully, these players have improved a lot since then.



  • @Stargazer It may also suggest the younger players are selected for the NZ Baabaas first. Zach Gallagher, the lock the Cantabs have talked up, is one of those players.



  • Disappointing that there is so little publicity being given to the schools teams, this year. I guess part of that is due to the RWC, although the lack of news and livestreaming of the U19s tournament by NZR may also point at cost-cutting or other reasons.

    Anyway, today, New Zealand Māori U18 play Fiji Schools at Rotorua Boys High School. Kick-off 2pm.

    This is from Māori TV:

    https://teaomaori.news/building-better-rugby-players-and-better-men



  • Halftime: NZ Maori 12 v Fiji 8



  • Full time:

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  • Zach Gallagher has been named the captain of the NZ Schools team.



  • @Bovidae The kid is a beast. You don’t see many 17 yr old white kids as big as him. Be interesting to see who starts at 1st five. Ollie Lewis is a great player but I think Aidan Morgan may be better



  • @chchfanatic Is he bigger than Josh Lord and Sam Darry?

    It's hard to know who starts if you aren't familiar with all of the players and their positions. Based on last year's team Segner should be at 7, Kneepkens and Wrampling on the wings, and Murray at fullback. Grindlay will be in the midfield.



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  • Fixture list (I couldn't find the kick-off times for the game of three halves)

    • Thu 26 September 2019 - 3.00pm - Hillcrest High School, Hamilton
      Australian Schools & U18 v Fiji Schools

    • Thu 26 September 2019 - 2.30pm - Sport & Rugby Institute, Palmerston North
      game of three halves: NZ Schools v NZ Schools Barbarians v NZ Maori U18

    • Mon 30 September 2019 - 1.10pm - Hamilton Boys HIgh School, Hamilton
      NZ Schools Barbarians v Australian Schools & U18

    • Mon 30 September 2019 - 3.00pm - Hamilton Boys HIgh School, Hamilton
      NZ Schools v Fiji Schools

    • Wed 2 October 2019 - 8.30pm NZT (5.30pm local time) - Knox Grammar School, Wahroonga
      Australian Schools Barbarians v Samoan Schools

    • Fri 4 October 2019 -1.10pm - St Paul’s Collegiate, Hamilton
      NZ Schools Barbarians v Fiji Schools

    • Fri 4 October 2019 - 3.00pm - St Paul’s Collegiate, Hamilton
      NZ Schools v Australian Schools & U18


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