All Black Coach - Ian Foster



  • @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Winger said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial

    JJ and Brown is so clearly the best option. It will reflect extremely poorly on the NZRU if they aren't appointed

    Joseph will an outstanding front person for the ABs. He looks like an adult.

    Robertson looks like too much of a lad still. Fine for Canterbury and the Crusaders. But not for the ABs. And he isn't proven outside the Canterbury / Crusaders environment. He needs to leave and get some overseas experience. And hopefully mature a bit

    Another factor. Can Robinson relate to all players from throughout NZ. Rather than reverting back to a Crusaders team. Has he this maturity (I doubt it)

    I don't care about how they look but do agree that if a JJ/Brown combo are in the mix I would take a bit of persuading to get away from them.
    I don't even know if Rennie has applied but Rennie/O'Halloran is also an exciting mix (although without the visible high level achievements)

    It is important

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  • @Winger said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial

    JJ and Brown is so clearly the best option. It will reflect extremely poorly on the NZRU if they aren't appointed

    Joseph will an outstanding front person for the ABs. He looks like an adult.

    Robertson looks like too much of a lad still. Fine for Canterbury and the Crusaders. But not for the ABs. And he isn't proven outside the Canterbury / Crusaders environment. He needs to leave and get some overseas experience. And hopefully mature a bit

    Another factor. Can Robinson relate to all players from throughout NZ. Rather than reverting back to a Crusaders team. Has he this maturity (I doubt it)

    Yo say this based on an intimate knowledge of the applicants, their applications and propossals?



  • @Winger said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Winger said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial

    JJ and Brown is so clearly the best option. It will reflect extremely poorly on the NZRU if they aren't appointed

    Joseph will an outstanding front person for the ABs. He looks like an adult.

    Robertson looks like too much of a lad still. Fine for Canterbury and the Crusaders. But not for the ABs. And he isn't proven outside the Canterbury / Crusaders environment. He needs to leave and get some overseas experience. And hopefully mature a bit

    Another factor. Can Robinson relate to all players from throughout NZ. Rather than reverting back to a Crusaders team. Has he this maturity (I doubt it)

    I don't care about how they look but do agree that if a JJ/Brown combo are in the mix I would take a bit of persuading to get away from them.
    I don't even know if Rennie has applied but Rennie/O'Halloran is also an exciting mix (although without the visible high level achievements)

    It is important

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    Yep.

    JJ would NEVER wear a track suit.
    Robertson would NEVER wear a suit and tie.

    Coz what they wear is the most important consideration.



  • @booboo

    It certainly helps if the person looks the part. That JJ certainly does. He looks the part 100% and has all the requirement. Including not being from Canterbury 👍 And SBW will give him a tick too.

    and he got an outstanding assistant in Tony Brown.

    To me its almost a no-brainer.
    Compare to Robertson below. smart vs scruffy

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  • Quite Happy to leave Razor to rebuild the Crusaders who ever gets the job has a hard job ahead.
    It will make or break the coaching unit, its never easy after a WC failure( and not winning is always a failure in The ABs eyes)
    The way we play the game over the next 4 years is going to be mighty interesting because whoever comes in better not wast 4 years with the wrong gameplays and selections.



  • @Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Quite Happy to leave Razor to rebuild the Crusaders who ever gets the job has a hard job ahead.
    It will make or break the coaching unit, its never easy after a WC failure( and not winning is always a failure in The ABs eyes)
    The way we play the game over the next 4 years is going to be mighty interesting because whoever comes in better not wast 4 years with the wrong gameplays and selections.

    Would be interesting if the JJ/Brown model was to apply the speed approach they used with Japan along with a stronger set piece and defence (and higher player quality). It is very close to the Hansen/Foster design though. We just didn't execute it well at times.



  • @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Quite Happy to leave Razor to rebuild the Crusaders who ever gets the job has a hard job ahead.
    It will make or break the coaching unit, its never easy after a WC failure( and not winning is always a failure in The ABs eyes)
    The way we play the game over the next 4 years is going to be mighty interesting because whoever comes in better not wast 4 years with the wrong gameplays and selections.

    Would be interesting if the JJ/Brown model was to apply the speed approach they used with Japan along with a stronger set piece and defence (and higher player quality). It is very close to the Hansen/Foster design though. We just didn't execute it well at times.

    It's all very well to be able to play fast. But sometimes you have to play direct and a little bit ugly, so the new coach needs to be able to tighten up our play as well



  • So the primary requirement is a neat hair cut.

    I hope you don't object too much if I say that you're awfully odd sometimes @Winger.



  • No one really knows who the top 3 or 4 candidates are wanting as their preferred assistant coaches, so it becomes speculation on our part as to the strength of their coaching group. The only thing we do know for certain is that Tony Brown was in demand with 2, if not 3, of those coaches and his loyalty to Joseph is a big plus in his favour, and a blow to Foster and Robertson. McLeod also has some relationship with both Joseph and Foster.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been more leaked via the media about potential assistants but maybe that will be known when a shortlist is confirmed.



  • @Winger said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Winger said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial

    JJ and Brown is so clearly the best option. It will reflect extremely poorly on the NZRU if they aren't appointed

    Joseph will an outstanding front person for the ABs. He looks like an adult.

    Robertson looks like too much of a lad still. Fine for Canterbury and the Crusaders. But not for the ABs. And he isn't proven outside the Canterbury / Crusaders environment. He needs to leave and get some overseas experience. And hopefully mature a bit

    Another factor. Can Robinson relate to all players from throughout NZ. Rather than reverting back to a Crusaders team. Has he this maturity (I doubt it)

    I don't care about how they look but do agree that if a JJ/Brown combo are in the mix I would take a bit of persuading to get away from them.
    I don't even know if Rennie has applied but Rennie/O'Halloran is also an exciting mix (although without the visible high level achievements)

    It is important

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    Looks are totally irrelevant. But here you are. Joseph wears tracksuits, too, and Robertson looks good in a suit. Big deal.

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  • So it’s down to haircut then?
    Razor has no chance.



  • Have a surf off



  • @Bovidae Yeah, I can't wait to find out who the candidates are, and particularly, the combos. People also seem to forget that Joseph and Brown are negotiating with Japan and may get an offer they can't refuse. So they might not be available or pull out. We simply don't know. Is it even a certainty that Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, or was that just speculation or misinterpretation by a journo? I'd be most happy with a trio of Joseph, Brown and Robertson. I'd would be most unhappy if either Hammett or Philpott are somehow involved in whatever capacity. I also hope Plumtree isn't one of the candidates, or Boyd, or Lam. I don't think Foster would be a disaster, but a lot will depend on who he picks as his assistants.



  • @Machpants 😂 Now that would be something I'd want to watch!!



  • @canefan said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Quite Happy to leave Razor to rebuild the Crusaders who ever gets the job has a hard job ahead.
    It will make or break the coaching unit, its never easy after a WC failure( and not winning is always a failure in The ABs eyes)
    The way we play the game over the next 4 years is going to be mighty interesting because whoever comes in better not wast 4 years with the wrong gameplays and selections.

    Would be interesting if the JJ/Brown model was to apply the speed approach they used with Japan along with a stronger set piece and defence (and higher player quality). It is very close to the Hansen/Foster design though. We just didn't execute it well at times.

    It's all very well to be able to play fast. But sometimes you have to play direct and a little bit ugly, so the new coach needs to be able to tighten up our play as well

    Highlanders style when they were under these two was good. Direct and hard when needed but rapid when on a roll.
    Don't forget JJ is renowned as a hard task master and demands toughness



  • @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    So it’s down to haircut then?
    Razor has no chance.

    Yeah, because becoming the ABs head coach is similar to being named New Zealand's Next Top Model. 😀



  • He was even harder than Eddie to the Japan squad, according to Leitch



  • @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Highlanders style when they were under these two was good. Direct and hard when needed but rapid when on a roll.
    Don't forget JJ is renowned as a hard task master and demands toughness

    They kicked more than other teams too. Contestable kicks and backing the defence was a big part of that season.
    Very different from the possession game Japan played.



  • @Stargazer unless Robertson is head and JJ and Brown his assistants, that trio wont happen.



  • If JJ/Brown are offered the AB's coaching role I don't think any amount of money would keep them in Japan. They have both stated their desire to coach the AB's and they will be well remunerated anyway. Its actually also a great time to take over as we came 3rd in the WC, lost the RC and have stuttered in recent years. Whoever is the new coach has 4 years to build a team that will hopefully go all the way.



  • @Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    He was even harder than Eddie to the Japan squad, according to Leitch

    If JJ is as tough as they say he is, and demands his players are fully committed to the cause, they you'd have to think that Akira Ioane's chances of forcing his way into the vacant no.8 jersey are low. Akira's poor workrate and relaxed attitude to training and personal fitness don't seem compatible with a Joseph coached All Black team.



  • Unsure how big a factor this will play. I hope Robinson can rise above this. The players in teams outside of Canterbury must feel they have a fair chance of making the ABs. This si unlikely to happen with Robertson

    https://www.therugbyruckus.com/2019/11/08/razor-the-next-all-black-coach-stamp-it/

    1. Mark Robinson – NZ Rugby CEO – ex Crusader player and team mate. Razor saved his bacon plenty of times on the field, like every loosie does for his little mates in the backline…
    2. Mike Anthony – ex Crusader and All Black S&C and long term friend of Mr Razor (btw he is part of the ex Crusader mafia quietly pulling the strings of NZ rugby now – with good reason of course.. )
    3. Graham Henry – well known admirer of Razor and his Authentic methods. I believe Ted Is one of Razors coaching mentors..
    4. Brent Impey – Incoming Chair of NZ Rugby- will go along with what the rugby experts on the panel say..
    5. Wai Taumaunu – ex NZ netballer and successful coach – connected with Razor through the strong NZ rugby and netball network. I won’t name names here… I don’t like horses heads in my bed…


  • @Winger said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Unsure how big a factor this will play. I hope Robinson can rise above this. The players in teams outside of Canterbury must feel they have a fair chance of making the ABs. This si unlikely to happen with Robertson

    https://www.therugbyruckus.com/2019/11/08/razor-the-next-all-black-coach-stamp-it/

    1. Mark Robinson – NZ Rugby CEO – ex Crusader player and team mate. Razor saved his bacon plenty of times on the field, like every loosie does for his little mates in the backline…
    2. Mike Anthony – ex Crusader and All Black S&C and long term friend of Mr Razor (btw he is part of the ex Crusader mafia quietly pulling the strings of NZ rugby now – with good reason of course.. )
    3. Graham Henry – well known admirer of Razor and his Authentic methods. I believe Ted Is one of Razors coaching mentors..
    4. Brent Impey – Incoming Chair of NZ Rugby- will go along with what the rugby experts on the panel say..
    5. Wai Taumaunu – ex NZ netballer and successful coach – connected with Razor through the strong NZ rugby and netball network. I won’t name names here… I don’t like horses heads in my bed…

    Fuck. So we get the scruffy combover.

    Doomed.

    We're doomed ...



  • Surely personal bias would have no impact on the decision....😲



  • @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Chris said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Quite Happy to leave Razor to rebuild the Crusaders who ever gets the job has a hard job ahead.
    It will make or break the coaching unit, its never easy after a WC failure( and not winning is always a failure in The ABs eyes)
    The way we play the game over the next 4 years is going to be mighty interesting because whoever comes in better not wast 4 years with the wrong gameplays and selections.

    Would be interesting if the JJ/Brown model was to apply the speed approach they used with Japan along with a stronger set piece and defence (and higher player quality). It is very close to the Hansen/Foster design though. We just didn't execute it well

    Where we go from here tactically will be an interesting watch for me.
    We need a strong defensive game and use our kicking ability but I agree we need to play at pace to maximise our skill sets.
    Fascinating 2020 coming up.



  • I just hope the coaches are aware that we need to score more points than the opposition...oh and tackle real good. If we go zippy zippy fasty runny with the ball then even better.



  • @Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    So it’s down to haircut then?
    Razor has no chance.

    Yeah, because becoming the ABs head coach is similar to being named New Zealand's Next Top Model. 😀

    Fuk how did Henry and Hansen get the job then



  • @Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    Have a surf off

    breakdance off



  • The derp is getting pretty strong already and we still have weeks to go



  • @mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    The derp is getting pretty strong already and we still have weeks to go

    I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.



  • @Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
    disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down

    Not from me it damn well won't. I am still trying to come to terms with 1905. And as it is now cricket season there is this that still irritates me

    followed shortly after by this one

    These also still leave a bitter taste in the mouth https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76685615/five-incidents-that-rocked-new-zealand-v-australia-one-day-cricket-matches don't even get me started on this one



  • @Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.

    Wouldn't even be the least credentialed AB head coach from those early 90s Waikato teams. I'm sure Foster would have a better backroom though.



  • @Higgins said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
    disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down

    Not from me it damn well won't. I am still trying to come to terms with 1905.

    This. A thousand times.

    If we're talking cricket I still rate the Underarm as one of the the worst. I can can remember our whole family crowded round the telly shouting at it.



  • @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    So it’s down to haircut then?
    Razor has no chance.

    And explains why Squire wasn't able to nail down the no.6 jersey, I guess...



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    So it’s down to haircut then?
    Razor has no chance.

    And explains why Squire wasn't able to nail down the no.6 jersey, I guess...

    Nope. See Goodhue.





  • @Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.

    This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.

    Insiders? Only BB would be considered an 'insider' in the loosest terms as the fish heads won't be telling the players ahead of times. He has given Foster an endorsement (as did Hansen). Nothing unusual in that. I get endorsements for stuff on LinkedIn but it doesn't mean I'm a shoe in for a job.

    Decided years ago? Not even the NZR are that stupid. There is no doubt that Foster will know that good performances in house give him an advantage over outside candidates simply because he works closer with the management team and they may have more of an insight into his qualities. That can work the other way as well though. Also you can't ignore the fact that the CEO has changed and there are panelists from outside of the inner workings.

    How are the NZR paying 'lip service'? Just because they aren't tweeting out notes after seeing every candidate or doing the process through the press that doesn't mean they are hiding a sham. They are doing what any employer would do and that is interview privately.

    Hilariously approached 26 candidates? Surely approaching only a pre-assessed short list would be more of a show? This is really no different to common practice of inviting current employees to apply for a promoted role (part of the reason for doing this is that it gives those people a bigger insight into where they need to develop) and ensures that coaches working overseas are sent the message that they aren't forgotten or pre-judged. I would be pretty certain that only a handful actually applied and that was always expected. The process and courtesy is good practice.

    There is hardly going to be a 'quiet announcement'. This thread alone proves the level of public interest and the sports media will be jumping all over the decision and picking it apart.

    As for 'least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory'. What complete bullshit. 8 years hands on as part of an AB coaching setup that produced a mid 80s% win rate (well above historical average) provides credentials. It is well known that Foster runs the trainings and implements the coaching plans. As for 'deserving', well that is entirely subjective. Please tell what Razor or Rennie or Joseph have done to 'deserve' appointment? They have built records that put themselves forward strongly as candidates but no one gets to 'deserve' the job.

    What the decision will hopefully be based on is whether a candidate has the goods for the next cycle. Foster appears to outsiders to be culpable for his part in the RWC, however we don't know the inner workings. Maybe he was a dissenting voice to the SB selection? Maybe he wanted to amp them up more for the game but Hansen wanted to take a measured approach? Maybe he wanted to hold back a little against Ireland knowing that it could backfire?
    I'm not saying that is all true and I can't see that he isn't part of the decision to move away from experience. The coaching and selecting groups made errors and he will have to explain those. Was it that they were collectively running out of ideas? If so then continuity goes out the window as does Foster.



  • @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    See Goodhue.

    With that mullet, I'd rather not...



  • @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.

    This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.

    Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.

    Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.



  • @Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    @Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:

    I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.

    This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.

    Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.

    Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.

    Neither work there anymore. Or did you miss that news?


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