BOP Eruption?



  • https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118057679/white-island-volcano-erupts-in-the-bay-of-plenty

    Injuries reported as White Island volcano erupts in the Bay of Plenty

    Up to 100 people may have been on White Island when it erupted, spewing plumes of smoke into the air on Monday.

    The TECT Rescue helicopter and the Waikato Westpac Helicopter have been dispatched to White Island and are responding to initial reports of 100 people on the island at the time of the eruption.

    A St John spokesperson said they had reports of up to 20 people injured after the island in Bay of Plenty erupted, sending massive plumes of steam and debris into the air.



  • Listening to Radio NZ at the moment. They seem to have the most accurate info on their live feed blog without loads of guessing.



  • @NTA Maybe scratch BOP off your list of places to move to?



  • Isnt there generally more activity before an eruption? Seems unusual that there was no warning . Obviously I'm far from an expert though.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118061703/in-pictures-white-island-eruption



  • @jegga said in BOP Eruption?:

    Isnt there generally more activity before an eruption? Seems unusual that there was no warning . Obviously I'm far from an expert though.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118061703/in-pictures-white-island-eruption

    Listening to the experts talking at the moment. All the monitoring can do is guess at risk levels. You can still get a 'small' eruption out of the blue and/or many times the rating is increased because they notice activity it comes to nothing.
    This seems to have caught everyone out.

    It is a risk you take when visiting a volcano I guess, Hell, I spend a bit of time on Ruapehu and the Whakapapa side is built right on the lahar path. Everyone knows that and there are warnings, sirens and drills. Won't stop me going and won't stop something happening one day.



  • Here's some videos from someone who was on the spot

    https://twitter.com/sch



  • @jegga said in BOP Eruption?:

    @NTA Maybe scratch BOP off your list of places to move to?

    Maybe not quite as close to the water.... 🤔



  • One person is confirmed dead so far but there are still others on the island.



  • Very sad to hear, I went there as a kid and it was an amazing experience. Definitely a risk involved visiting it as it is a live volcano, but still incredibly bad luck.



  • 24 Aussies might have been on the island



  • Death toll at 5, more expected.



  • I always find it weird how initially boats and helis can get there to rescue people. People react to help. Once it's official is now to dangerous to too there.



  • Gotta feel for the people still there, too. Stranded overnight on an active, recently erupted volcanic island that killed five people is a bit of a horror scenario.



  • @Machpants said in BOP Eruption?:

    I always find it weird how initially boats and helis can get there to rescue people. People react to help. Once it's official is now to dangerous to too there.

    Not sure what's weird about that.

    I'm fortunately enough to have never had to make this decision (knock on wood!), but surely if you are there, you are there, and instincts take over. Firstly, to look after yourself, secondly to help out others. You have to make a judgement call on if your boat/heli goes back to pick up people who need to be evacuated. If you realistically think you can do it without hurting yourself, why wouldn't you?



  • @MajorRage said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Machpants said in BOP Eruption?:

    I always find it weird how initially boats and helis can get there to rescue people. People react to help. Once it's official is now to dangerous to too there.

    Not sure what's weird about that.

    I'm fortunately enough to have never had to make this decision (knock on wood!), but surely if you are there, you are there, and instincts take over. Firstly, to look after yourself, secondly to help out others. You have to make a judgement call on if your boat/heli goes back to pick up people who need to be evacuated. If you realistically think you can do it without hurting yourself, why wouldn't you?

    I think he means if regular Joe's can do it why can't the authorities?



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    Look at the ash covering the beach, and that helicopter is smashed

    This image, apparently taken just prior to the eruption seems to show people at the crater just before the eruption (red arrow). Considering the amount of debris that was probably being thrown into the air, that would not have been a good place to be

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  • @canefan said in BOP Eruption?:

    @MajorRage said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Machpants said in BOP Eruption?:

    I always find it weird how initially boats and helis can get there to rescue people. People react to help. Once it's official is now to dangerous to too there.

    Not sure what's weird about that.

    I'm fortunately enough to have never had to make this decision (knock on wood!), but surely if you are there, you are there, and instincts take over. Firstly, to look after yourself, secondly to help out others. You have to make a judgement call on if your boat/heli goes back to pick up people who need to be evacuated. If you realistically think you can do it without hurting yourself, why wouldn't you?

    I think he means if regular Joe's can do it why can't the authorities?

    Because as an individual you can choose to risk your own life.

    As an authority you cannot volunteer someone else to lose theirs.



  • That shift in risk assessment since the first responders got people out is sadly a good one. If no one is still alive on the Island to save... 😞

    Police update

    The Police Eagle helicopter, rescue helicopter, and NZDF aircraft have undertaken a number of aerial reconnaissance flights over the island since the eruption, but no signs of life have been seen at any point, police say.

    "Police believe that anyone who could have been taken from the island alive was rescued at the time of the evacuation.

    "Based on the information we have, we do not believe there are any survivors on the island.

    "Police is working urgently to confirm the exact number of those who have died, further to the five confirmed deceased already."



  • The police say eight people are still missing on White Island / Whakaari.

    Five people have been confirmed dead and 31 are injured and are being treated in hospital.

    Among the missing are Australians, Americans, Chinese, British and Malaysians, as well as New Zealanders.

    RNZ reporting on PM's press conference



  • @dogmeat said in BOP Eruption?:

    The police say eight people are still missing on White Island / Whakaari.

    Five people have been confirmed dead and 31 are injured and are being treated in hospital.

    Among the missing are Australians, Americans, Chinese, British and Malaysians, as well as New Zealanders.

    RNZ reporting on PM's press conference

    Ok , so at the memorial Ardern needs photo ops with a cork hat, Stetson , coolie hat , flat cap and a fez . It’s going to be a long day for her .

    Yes I’m well aware I’m going to hell .



  • @jegga said in BOP Eruption?:

    @dogmeat said in BOP Eruption?:

    The police say eight people are still missing on White Island / Whakaari.

    Five people have been confirmed dead and 31 are injured and are being treated in hospital.

    Among the missing are Australians, Americans, Chinese, British and Malaysians, as well as New Zealanders.

    RNZ reporting on PM's press conference

    Ok , so to memorial Ardern needs photo ops with a cork hat, Stetson , coolie hat , flat cap and a fez . It’s going to be a long day for her .

    Yes I’m well aware I’m going to hell .

    Because you forgot the tangata whenua....



  • I found the quote “the island hasn’t had a major eruption since...... 2000“ say what, the island has a history of activity and it is safe to walk on it? How did this place have a licence to begin with, or am I overthinking it.



  • @chimoaus said in BOP Eruption?:

    I found the quote “the island hasn’t had a major eruption since...... 2000“ say what, the island has a history of activity and it is safe to walk on it? How did this place have a licence to begin with, or am I overthinking it.

    My wife and I discussed this last night. While in Japan for the RWC we went to Mt Aso, but couldn't get within one kilometre of the caldera because of the increased activity.

    And it appears they shared the same alert level of two on the scale of 1-5.



  • I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful. I live in this area and never ever heard the Maori name from anyone in the public, news etc
    Quite happy enough for it have dual names, but for now to be the time they decide to start using it.. fuck ...off.



  • A labour minister is saying it’s unfair for a family member of a victim to politicise a tragedy and compare it to Pike river

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/very-unfair-police-minister-stuart-nash-rejects-white-island-comparison-to-pike-river.html



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful. I live in this area and never ever heard the Maori name from anyone in the public, news etc
    Quite happy enough for it have dual names, but for now to be the time they decide to start using it.. fuck ...off.

    Whakaari/White Island has been its official name for 22 years. Longer than Aoraki/Mt Cook. Just because you haven't heard of that doesn't make it not so.

    Should official communications use the official name or just the one you remember?

    You find distaste in the most irrelevant things.



  • @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful. I live in this area and never ever heard the Maori name from anyone in the public, news etc
    Quite happy enough for it have dual names, but for now to be the time they decide to start using it.. fuck ...off.

    Whakaari/White Island has been its official name for 22 years. Longer than Aoraki/Mt Cook. Just because you haven't heard of that doesn't make it not so.

    Should official communications use the official name or just the one you remember?

    You find distaste in the most irrelevant things.

    Oh fuck off.

    I didn't say how long it was the name and I never said that it wasnt its proper name so dont make up shit up, I was saying as a local who hears about White Island a lot I have never heard its Maori name ever before, even in schools who use Maori names ALOT. Yet after this tragedy suddenly I am hearing it everywhere.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful. I live in this area and never ever heard the Maori name from anyone in the public, news etc
    Quite happy enough for it have dual names, but for now to be the time they decide to start using it.. fuck ...off.

    Whakaari/White Island has been its official name for 22 years. Longer than Aoraki/Mt Cook. Just because you haven't heard of that doesn't make it not so.

    Should official communications use the official name or just the one you remember?

    You find distaste in the most irrelevant things.

    Oh fuck off.

    I didn't say how long it was the name and I never said that it wasnt its proper name so dont make up shit up, I was saying as a local who hears about White Island a lot I have never heard its Maori name ever before, even in schools who use Maori names ALOT. Yet after this tragedy suddenly I am hearing it everywhere.

    So, because you have only just picked up on the fact it is somehow distasteful to use the official name in official communications.

    Yeah, OK. It's like you are looking for problems to moan about.



  • @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful. I live in this area and never ever heard the Maori name from anyone in the public, news etc
    Quite happy enough for it have dual names, but for now to be the time they decide to start using it.. fuck ...off.

    Whakaari/White Island has been its official name for 22 years. Longer than Aoraki/Mt Cook. Just because you haven't heard of that doesn't make it not so.

    Should official communications use the official name or just the one you remember?

    You find distaste in the most irrelevant things.

    Oh fuck off.

    I didn't say how long it was the name and I never said that it wasnt its proper name so dont make up shit up, I was saying as a local who hears about White Island a lot I have never heard its Maori name ever before, even in schools who use Maori names ALOT. Yet after this tragedy suddenly I am hearing it everywhere.

    So, because you have only just picked up on the fact it is somehow distasteful to use the official name in official communications.

    Yeah, OK. It's like you are looking for problems to moan about.

    The news and radio are official communications? No. You are the one who has tried to limit it to 'official communications'.
    And it isnt me not picking up on it.... nobody has used it, but I am sure you are the expert on what is used in this area based on the the fact you live nowhere near here,...



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful. I live in this area and never ever heard the Maori name from anyone in the public, news etc
    Quite happy enough for it have dual names, but for now to be the time they decide to start using it.. fuck ...off.

    Whakaari/White Island has been its official name for 22 years. Longer than Aoraki/Mt Cook. Just because you haven't heard of that doesn't make it not so.

    Should official communications use the official name or just the one you remember?

    You find distaste in the most irrelevant things.

    Oh fuck off.

    I didn't say how long it was the name and I never said that it wasnt its proper name so dont make up shit up, I was saying as a local who hears about White Island a lot I have never heard its Maori name ever before, even in schools who use Maori names ALOT. Yet after this tragedy suddenly I am hearing it everywhere.

    So, because you have only just picked up on the fact it is somehow distasteful to use the official name in official communications.

    Yeah, OK. It's like you are looking for problems to moan about.

    The news and radio are official communications? No. You are the one who has tried to limit it to 'official communications'.
    And it isnt me not picking up on it.... nobody has used it, but I am sure you are the expert on what is used in this area based on the the fact you live nowhere near here,...

    Currently, no. But I used to live in your area around the time that the official name change happened and I had heard it before.

    So, pray tell, what is distasteful about using the place name?
    By the way, I just checked and the full name is being used by tour operators on their websites, even those that operate out of Tauranga.

    'Pushing Maori names'. Get a life. It is your comments that are trying to politicise this tragedy and are the distasteful ones.



  • @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Crucial said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful. I live in this area and never ever heard the Maori name from anyone in the public, news etc
    Quite happy enough for it have dual names, but for now to be the time they decide to start using it.. fuck ...off.

    Whakaari/White Island has been its official name for 22 years. Longer than Aoraki/Mt Cook. Just because you haven't heard of that doesn't make it not so.

    Should official communications use the official name or just the one you remember?

    You find distaste in the most irrelevant things.

    Oh fuck off.

    I didn't say how long it was the name and I never said that it wasnt its proper name so dont make up shit up, I was saying as a local who hears about White Island a lot I have never heard its Maori name ever before, even in schools who use Maori names ALOT. Yet after this tragedy suddenly I am hearing it everywhere.

    So, because you have only just picked up on the fact it is somehow distasteful to use the official name in official communications.

    Yeah, OK. It's like you are looking for problems to moan about.

    The news and radio are official communications? No. You are the one who has tried to limit it to 'official communications'.
    And it isnt me not picking up on it.... nobody has used it, but I am sure you are the expert on what is used in this area based on the the fact you live nowhere near here,...

    Currently, no. But I used to live in your area around the time that the official name change happened and I had heard it before.

    So, pray tell, what is distasteful about using the place name?
    By the way, I just checked and the full name is being used by tour operators on their websites, even those that operate out of Tauranga.

    'Pushing Maori names'. Get a life. It is your comments that are trying to politicise this tragedy and are the distasteful ones.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/118071975/whakaariwhite-island-owner-the-buttle-family-declines-to-comment-after-deadly-eruption

    Looks like the family who own the island transferred ownership of White Island to the Whakaari Trust in 2010



  • Not a volcanologist but change from a category 1 to 2 in the last few weeks should have raised an alarm. I believe the eruption is mostly superheated water vapour but also other gases present would have affected breathing capabilities



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful

    They're only words. What harm can they possibly do?



  • @NTA said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful

    They're only words. What harm can they possibly do?

    Harm? None. Cause irritation. Yes.

    And I made it pretty clear I don't mind dual names, the timing is off though. My kids at school learn about White Island (legend and science), and schools LOVE dual names but even they never use it. Yet a tragedy occurs an suddenly now is the time? No

    I bet the school uses the dual name from now on though...



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    @NTA said in BOP Eruption?:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful

    They're only words. What harm can they possibly do?

    Harm? None. Cause irritation. Yes.

    Bah! Grumpy old man...



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    I find people using this tragedy as an excuse to push the Maori name of the island incredibly distasteful. I live in this area and never ever heard the Maori name from anyone in the public, news etc
    Quite happy enough for it have dual names, but for now to be the time they decide to start using it.. fuck ...off.

    I sort of get your point - the media know it is going to be a world wide news event for a few days or weeks so let’s show our political correctness to the world



  • The local Maori bought the White Island tour company a few years back, did they change the marketing and sign writing to dual name? Noooo because they know damn well everyone just knows it as White Island currently. That can change, but now suddenly after this?
    A few white liberals in the media see a tragedy and decide to enter some woke Olympics. What next a big Tsunami in Auckland? But we only hear Tamaki Makaurau Auckland and never just Auckland on the news suddenly starting on that day?



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:

    The local Maori bought the White Island tour company a few years back, did they change the marketing and sign writing to dual name? Noooo because they know damn well everyone just knows it as White Island currently. That can change, but now suddenly after this?
    A few white liberals in the media see a tragedy and decide to enter some woke Olympics. What next a big Tsunami in Auckland? But we only hear Tamaki Makaurau Auckland and never just Auckland on the news suddenly starting on that day?

    I feel your pain .They probably do it specifically to annoy you, the same way TVNZ deliberately put Anika Moa on the pre match coverage of the rwc to fuck me off .



  • They were briefly using the Maori and English names early yesterday morning here but have now resorted back to White Island.




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