Coronavirus - Overall



  • 600 cases now in Korea and borders with Iran being closed as they've likely got 100's of cases, hard to see this not becoming a full pandemic in the next few weeks.

    Lets see if the boss will let me work from home going forward, I feel lucky not having contracted the bubonic plague from our mens toilets as it is, coronavirus might be a bridge too far.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51603251



  • @Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    600 cases now in Korea and borders with Iran being closed as they've likely got 100's of cases, hard to see this not becoming a full pandemic in the next few weeks.

    Stop watching zombie movies. More people would've contracted the flu.



  • @antipodean said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    600 cases now in Korea and borders with Iran being closed as they've likely got 100's of cases, hard to see this not becoming a full pandemic in the next few weeks.

    Stop watching zombie movies. More people would've contracted the flu.

    Of course they would, and now you have this issue on top of that with all the extra quarantines, fever testing, disinfecting, public transport coughing paranoia, panic buying etc.

    If you can work from home and maybe avoid some of the madness why the hell not?



  • @Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @antipodean said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    600 cases now in Korea and borders with Iran being closed as they've likely got 100's of cases, hard to see this not becoming a full pandemic in the next few weeks.

    Stop watching zombie movies. More people would've contracted the flu.

    Of course they would, and now you have this issue on top of that with all the extra quarantines, fever testing, disinfecting, public transport coughing paranoia, panic buying etc.

    If you can work from home and maybe avoid some of the madness why the hell not?

    Don't you live in Australia?



  • @antipodean Correct



  • I'd love to see infection case figures based on winter countries vs hotter countries. There have been cases in Singapore and the surroundings but are they directly associated with travellers from China or spontaneous cases? Meanwhile in NZ cabinet will apparently review travel restrictions....



  • @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    I'd love to see infection case figures based on winter countries vs hotter countries. There have been cases in Singapore and the surroundings but are they directly associated with travellers from China or spontaneous cases? Meanwhile in NZ cabinet will apparently review travel restrictions....

    I guess that should be answered in the next few weeks. Indonesia apparently don't have any cases which some are saying is suspect, hopefully it just doesn't like warmer climates..

    Swine Flu jumped over to warmer countries, I remember folk at work being signed off with it in the UK but I don't remember any of the border closures or mass quarantining we are seeing here, not sure what that says really. Tough striking the balance between public safety, avoiding panic and not impacting the economy. Some governments can be better trusted than others.



  • @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    I'd love to see infection case figures based on winter countries vs hotter countries. There have been cases in Singapore and the surroundings but are they directly associated with travellers from China or spontaneous cases? Meanwhile in NZ cabinet will apparently review travel restrictions....

    Countries in summer - I think sunlight kills it quickly, and in summer people are outside more. Will be interesting; ther's a lot of noise about something that doesn't seem that different to flu in mortality rates.



  • @nzzp said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    I'd love to see infection case figures based on winter countries vs hotter countries. There have been cases in Singapore and the surroundings but are they directly associated with travellers from China or spontaneous cases? Meanwhile in NZ cabinet will apparently review travel restrictions....

    Countries in summer - I think sunlight kills it quickly, and in summer people are outside more. Will be interesting; ther's a lot of noise about something that doesn't seem that different to flu in mortality rates.

    Feels like media traffic has eased of late. Hopefully a good sign



  • @nzzp said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    I'd love to see infection case figures based on winter countries vs hotter countries. There have been cases in Singapore and the surroundings but are they directly associated with travellers from China or spontaneous cases? Meanwhile in NZ cabinet will apparently review travel restrictions....

    Countries in summer - I think sunlight kills it quickly, and in summer people are outside more. Will be interesting; ther's a lot of noise about something that doesn't seem that different to flu in mortality rates.

    The hysteria is more contagious.



  • @antipodean said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @nzzp said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    I'd love to see infection case figures based on winter countries vs hotter countries. There have been cases in Singapore and the surroundings but are they directly associated with travellers from China or spontaneous cases? Meanwhile in NZ cabinet will apparently review travel restrictions....

    Countries in summer - I think sunlight kills it quickly, and in summer people are outside more. Will be interesting; ther's a lot of noise about something that doesn't seem that different to flu in mortality rates.

    The hysteria is more contagious.

    Main stream media is a willing vector



  • @nzzp said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    I'd love to see infection case figures based on winter countries vs hotter countries. There have been cases in Singapore and the surroundings but are they directly associated with travellers from China or spontaneous cases? Meanwhile in NZ cabinet will apparently review travel restrictions....

    Countries in summer - I think sunlight kills it quickly, and in summer people are outside more. Will be interesting; ther's a lot of noise about something that doesn't seem that different to flu in mortality rates.

    I think the bigger issue isn't so much mortality rates but rather how many cases are requiring of specialist hospital treatment, 1 in 5 seems to be an early indicator of this which would put a big strain on medical facilities.. but that might be missing folk who get extremely mild symptoms and not be tested. Infectiousness also seems to be higher than the flu and there seems to be evidence of a very long incubation period.

    Thing is unlike the flu this is very new and there are way too many unknowns and dodgy data to confidently predict which way it will go. Government responses seems pretty unprecedented..but maybe that's just learning from previous pandemics.





  • You guys are taking this virus way too lightly. I can tell this, because as of yesterday, the Indonesian Gov has massively stepped up their screening processes.

    Last night we flew back into Bali, and in addition to the normal arrival card, there was a new form that we had to complete. It was bright yellow, which everyone knows is the colour of very bad diseases. We also needed to do 1 each, whereas the arrival cards are 1 per family. And in addition to simply repeating 8 of the same questions from the arrival card, it had an extra question at the bottom - a very tricky "How are you feeling today" with 2 check-box options, one for "Sickly", the other for "Healthy".

    If you checked "Healthy" correctly, then you got to exchange your bright yellow form for a new yellow form of a slightly less-bright shade. Luckily my family all got the bonus question correct and were allowed to proceed into the wild.



  • Had a yarn with a work colleague who has a Chinese wife and is a frequent visitor..he's very pro CCP so its fair to say we have the odd 'disagreement' over lunch from time to time. From the info he has he reckons China has a handle on things even though their methods might seem a bit harsh. Apparently in some areas you now need a permit to go outside and he also talked about the 'welding people into their homes for their own good' which sounded crazy but sure enough there has been reporting of it.

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus-residents-welded-inside-their-own-home/

    Interestingly outside of work he runs some accommodation with his wife and he's gone and cancelled all booking with Chinese names. Now that to me is actual racism..but from someone who loves China so its all very confusing.

    Cases now reported in Iraq, Oman, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Bahrain but on the plus side Singapore's recovery rate is continuing to surpass its infection rate, no doubt due to a functioning government but hopefully something to do with the heat too.



  • I work as A dispatcher for a medical testing company and not to scare monger but we are already picking up suspected swabs and rushing them to the lab to be tested.



  • @mikey07 in NZ?



  • It does seem to be getting far more serious, with implications for global markets, the Olympics, and other global events.

    The spread within Europe will be interesting to watch. If it hits Paris then the spread will become almost impossible to contain, I'd have thought.



  • Priorities gang



  • @nzzp yip in NZ



  • @nzzp said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @Snowy said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    Or "medicine" might have worked too.

    Ah! Essential oils!

    Seeing as how I have lived to a reasonably ripe age without using these things, I'd say they're not really that essential. Optional Oils perhaps.



  • @Catogrande said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @nzzp said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @Snowy said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    Or "medicine" might have worked too.

    Ah! Essential oils!

    Seeing as how I have lived to a reasonably ripe age without using these things, I'd say they're not really that essential. Optional Oils perhaps.

    HATE SPEECH



  • "There is nothing to be alarmed about, we the government, have this issue well under control and are definitely not covering up cases of infection...wew boy, is it just me or is it super hot in here?"
    *may not be actual translation
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51628484



  • From local government:

    With the concerted effort of Suzhou people, prevention and control of COVID-19 has produced positive results over the recent month. By February 24, 2020, there has been no new confirmed or suspected case in Suzhou for 7 consecutive days. Jiangsu Province lowered COVID-19 emergency response level from first level to second. However, we must be aware of the severity and complexity of COVID-19 outbreak at the global scale. With confirmed cases surged in some countries, the spread of the disease is yet to be contained effectively. A few countries declared raising the COVID-19 alert level to the highest.

    Hopefully the economy will start cranking up soon!



  • @Tim said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    From local government:

    With the concerted effort of Suzhou people, prevention and control of COVID-19 has produced positive results over the recent month. By February 24, 2020, there has been no new confirmed or suspected case in Suzhou for 7 consecutive days. Jiangsu Province lowered COVID-19 emergency response level from first level to second. However, we must be aware of the severity and complexity of COVID-19 outbreak at the global scale. With confirmed cases surged in some countries, the spread of the disease is yet to be contained effectively. A few countries declared raising the COVID-19 alert level to the highest.

    Hopefully the economy will start cranking up soon!

    I had a bunch of items unsent from China that all got shipped out today, so this is not idle talk 🤞🏻



  • @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    Hopefully the economy will start cranking up soon!

    I had a bunch of items unsent from China that all got shipped out today, so this is not idle talk 🤞🏻

    Just to be sure, when the boxes arrive have Fedex drop 'em in the front yard, and give 'em a good hose over. After they dry off don't unpack 'em anywhere near your computer. That little fan you hear might suck dust and other particles in and they might drift through the tubes under the Tasman and out an open vent here in Southport, you see, which would be sub optimal.



  • @Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    Hopefully the economy will start cranking up soon!

    I had a bunch of items unsent from China that all got shipped out today, so this is not idle talk 🤞🏻

    Just to be sure, when the boxes arrive have Fedex drop 'em in the front yard, and give 'em a good hose over. After they dry off don't unpack 'em anywhere near your computer. That little fan you hear might suck dust and other particles in and they might drift through the tubes under the Tasman and out an open vent here in Southport, you see, which would be sub optimal.

    It will take at least 2 weeks to deliver so it's all good





  • @canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @Tim said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    From local government:

    With the concerted effort of Suzhou people, prevention and control of COVID-19 has produced positive results over the recent month. By February 24, 2020, there has been no new confirmed or suspected case in Suzhou for 7 consecutive days. Jiangsu Province lowered COVID-19 emergency response level from first level to second. However, we must be aware of the severity and complexity of COVID-19 outbreak at the global scale. With confirmed cases surged in some countries, the spread of the disease is yet to be contained effectively. A few countries declared raising the COVID-19 alert level to the highest.

    Hopefully the economy will start cranking up soon!

    I had a bunch of items unsent from China that all got shipped out today, so this is not idle talk 🤞🏻

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  • @Tim My daughter is in South Korea. They teach online now and its quite hectic. We are really worried. I was in Lagos last week and the Nigerian customs were really on it. Scanning every passenger and had to fill in a form. Flying back, Johannesburg was quite relax. They had the scanner but no personel. Maybe it was 5 in the morning and outside their working hours. If that virus hit any Africa country (specially Lagos with 20+ million) it will be devastating.



  • Japanese government just shut down all the schools until the end of March.



  • @sparky said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    Japanese government just shut down all the schools until the end of March.

    Holidays start in March for the end of School year there so not a massive drama



  • @Hooroo makes it sound more dramatic if you leave that out 😉



  • The thing that is really bugging me is why are infection rates in Italy and S Korea skyrocketing yet China is flat-lining?

    All possible answers to that are pretty horrible to imagine.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6





  • @Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    The thing that is really bugging me is why are infection rates in Italy and S Korea skyrocketing yet China is flat-lining?

    All possible answers to that are pretty horrible to imagine.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    That's a great visualization page, who's updating that?



  • A major product that we draw upon in my line of work is about to run out in Australia. Loss of work is far scarier right now than a hospital bed.



  • @Kirwan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    The thing that is really bugging me is why are infection rates in Italy and S Korea skyrocketing yet China is flat-lining?

    All possible answers to that are pretty horrible to imagine.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    That's a great visualization page, who's updating that?

    Honestly don't know but it seems inline with official figures. Aussie got a new case in the last day or two, weirdly enough no story on it but it is backed up on government website.



  • @Kirwan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    @Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    The thing that is really bugging me is why are infection rates in Italy and S Korea skyrocketing yet China is flat-lining?

    All possible answers to that are pretty horrible to imagine.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    That's a great visualization page, who's updating that?

    In December, 2019, a local outbreak of pneumonia of initially unknown cause was detected in Wuhan (Hubei, China), and was quickly determined to be caused by a novel coronavirus,1 namely severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). The outbreak has since spread to every province of mainland China as well as 27 other countries and regions, with more than 70 000 confirmed cases as of Feb 17, 2020.2 In response to this ongoing public health emergency, we developed an online interactive dashboard, hosted by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, USA, to visualise and track reported cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in real time. The dashboard, first shared publicly on Jan 22, illustrates the location and number of confirmed COVID-19 cases, deaths, and recoveries for all affected countries. It was developed to provide researchers, public health authorities, and the general public with a user-friendly tool to track the outbreak as it unfolds. All data collected and displayed are made freely available, initially through Google Sheets and now through a GitHub repository, along with the feature layers of the dashboard, which are now included in the Esri Living Atlas.

    The dashboard reports cases at the province level in China; at the city level in the USA, Australia, and Canada; and at the country level otherwise. During Jan 22–31, all data collection and processing were done manually, and updates were typically done twice a day, morning and night (US Eastern Time). As the outbreak evolved, the manual reporting process became unsustainable; therefore, on Feb 1, we adopted a semi-automated living data stream strategy. Our primary data source is DXY, an online platform run by members of the Chinese medical community, which aggregates local media and government reports to provide cumulative totals of COVID-19 cases in near real time at the province level in China and at the country level otherwise. Every 15 min, the cumulative case counts are updated from DXY for all provinces in China and for other affected countries and regions. For countries and regions outside mainland China (including Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan), we found DXY cumulative case counts to frequently lag behind other sources; we therefore manually update these case numbers throughout the day when new cases are identified. To identify new cases, we monitor various Twitter feeds, online news services, and direct communication sent through the dashboard. Before manually updating the dashboard, we confirm the case numbers with regional and local health departments, including the respective centres for disease control and prevention (CDC) of China, Taiwan, and Europe, the Hong Kong Department of Health, the Macau Government, and WHO, as well as city-level and state-level health authorities. For city-level case reports in the USA, Australia, and Canada, which we began reporting on Feb 1, we rely on the US CDC, the government of Canada, the Australian Government Department of Health, and various state or territory health authorities. All manual updates (for countries and regions outside mainland China) are coordinated by a team at Johns Hopkins University.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30120-1/fulltext



  • @Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:

    The thing that is really bugging me is why are infection rates in Italy and S Korea skyrocketing yet China is flat-lining?

    All possible answers to that are pretty horrible to imagine.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    2 week incubation period I would assume. Should expect numbers to plateau 2 weeks after first discovery / media blow up.


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