Coronavirus - Overall



  • @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Victor-Meldrew I hope she didn't have to put her white lightening down to take his details.

    The Janner is strong in this one.



  • @Catogrande

    Could be. Dartmouth-born I think



  • @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Victor-Meldrew I hope she didn't have to put her white lightening down to take his details.

    The Janner is strong in this one.

    Not to be confused with a Swilly...



  • @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Victor-Meldrew I hope she didn't have to put her white lightening down to take his details.

    The Janner is strong in this one.

    Not to be confused with a Swilly...

    I believe that is North Prospect these days.

    On reflection, not that much better.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande

    Could be. Dartmouth-born I think

    Many good memories of playing on the pitch on the top of the hill. Friendly clubhouse afterwards too.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Nah, she hardly drinks much at all. Former Army officer

    Confused...

    Chatting with my best friend who used to be a copper about the current state in Australia bearing in mind this post and his point was "police officers and power are an insanely dangerous mix". The one thing we can be thankful for is the lack of involvement by the army which would be worse.



  • @antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Chatting with my best friend who used to be a copper about the current state in Australia bearing in mind this post and his point was "police officers and power are an insanely dangerous mix".

    TBF, I had no problem with the Police using a drone to video people driving out to the Dales to walk their dog and using that as a reminder to stay at home wherever possible. And, sure, it will take time for their new powers to bed down.

    But fining a shopheeper for vandalism after he chalked the pavement so people could keep 2m apart or going thru peoples groceries to see if their purchases were "essential" shows a complete lack of common sense, respect for the public and knowledge of the law.

    The one thing we can be thankful for is the lack of involvement by the army which would be worse

    True, But the long litany of cover-ups, cock-ups, corruption, falsifying evidence, colluding in sexual abuse and lying to the public the UK police have been involved in in recent years does stretch the point at times.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Chatting with my best friend who used to be a copper about the current state in Australia bearing in mind this post and his point was "police officers and power are an insanely dangerous mix".

    TBF, I had no problem with the Police using a drone to video people driving out to the Dales to walk their dog and using that as a reminder to stay at home wherever possible. And, sure, it will take time for their new powers to bed down.

    But fining a shopheeper for vandalism after he chalked the pavement so people could keep 2m apart or going thru peoples groceries to see if their purchases were "essential" shows a complete lack of common sense, respect for the public and knowledge of the law.

    The one thing we can be thankful for is the lack of involvement by the army which would be worse

    True, But the long litany of cover-ups, cock-ups, corruption, falsifying evidence, colluding in sexual abuse and lying to the public the UK police have been involved in in recent years does stretch the point at times.

    From a straight forward perspective the prime objective is keeping people in groups of no more than two, and being 2m apart.

    The use of the word 'essential' has confused many, including the police. The key context is in respect of those activities which it is essential to keep running.

    But it is fine to travel to work even if such work is not essential, unless one can WFH.

    Perhaps the Police need a simple course to help them out.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Chatting with my best friend who used to be a copper about the current state in Australia bearing in mind this post and his point was "police officers and power are an insanely dangerous mix".

    TBF, I had no problem with the Police using a drone to video people driving out to the Dales to walk their dog and using that as a reminder to stay at home wherever possible. And, sure, it will take time for their new powers to bed down.

    But fining a shopheeper for vandalism after he chalked the pavement so people could keep 2m apart or going thru peoples groceries to see if their purchases were "essential" shows a complete lack of common sense, respect for the public and knowledge of the law.

    The one thing we can be thankful for is the lack of involvement by the army which would be worse

    True, But the long litany of cover-ups, cock-ups, corruption, falsifying evidence, colluding in sexual abuse and lying to the public the UK police have been involved in in recent years does stretch the point at times.

    I can actually confirm that the Army is heavily involved with keeping the peace. Just not in uniform.



  • @sparky said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Wimbledon cancelled.
    The Edinburgh festival cancelled
    The big Climate Change conference scheduled for November postponed.

    > The All Blacks' November Internationals must be in doubt.

    No chance if the NH unions don't agree to revenue sharing. I think it's more likely we might see the rugby championship played in November TBH.



  • @Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @sparky said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Wimbledon cancelled.
    The Edinburgh festival cancelled
    The big Climate Change conference scheduled for November postponed.

    > The All Blacks' November Internationals must be in doubt.

    No chance if the NH unions don't agree to revenue sharing subsidising. I think it's more likely we might see the rugby championship played in November TBH.

    Dons battle helmet, retreats to Anderson Shelter where the stocks of tinned food are ample.



  • Dr Campbell explains some good news coming from Imperial College.

    Basically the preventions are working. It is likely actual cases are grossly under-reported. Italy is likely to have had well over a million infections, maybe in the millions. They currently show a death rate around 13% but this is likely 1% or lower given the number of actual infected.

    Probably why countries like Australia, NZ have such low death numbers is the virus did not actually take hold and spread before measures were put in place. So our number of cases reported are much closer to actual cases. Whereas Europe, the US are probably 10x higher or more.

    Highly likely then in the short term our health systems are unlikely to become overburdened. The issue now is how do they open up the economy whilst controlling any left over cases.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-Europe-estimates-and-NPI-impact-30-03-2020.pdf



  • I guess the other issue with Corona is whilst the overall death rate is likely to be lower than first thought, it is still fucken deadly to the old who already have health issues.

    They released the figures for that nursing home in the US, 130 odd residents, 101 got infected, 34 died. Those who died did have a range of issues with hypertension being the top of the list.

    d2771500-55cd-4322-af04-2eaf0819e8ec-image.png

    The question has to be, how do we protect the old and should Govt do anything to lower the rates of these existing conditions such as Hypertension and Cardiac disease?

    Main causes of Hypertension
    Smoking.
    Being overweight or obese.
    Lack of physical activity.
    Too much salt in the diet.
    Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day)
    Stress.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2005412



  • @chimoaus I am totally fucked....



  • @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    I guess the other issue with Corona is whilst the overall death rate is likely to be lower than first thought, it is still fucken deadly to the old who already have health issues.

    They released the figures for that nursing home in the US, 130 odd residents, 101 got infected, 34 died. Those who died did have a range of issues with hypertension being the top of the list.

    d2771500-55cd-4322-af04-2eaf0819e8ec-image.png

    The question has to be, how do we protect the old and should Govt do anything to lower the rates of these existing conditions such as Hypertension and Cardiac disease?

    Main causes of Hypertension
    Smoking.
    Being overweight or obese.
    Lack of physical activity.
    Too much salt in the diet.
    Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day)
    Stress.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2005412

    I read somewhere that CV doubles one's chance of dying in next TWO months. If your heart or lungs are buggered it's a death sentence.



  • 10m registered for welfare in the US in the last 2 weeks, 6.6m the last week alone.

    Previously weekly record was 695k in 1982

    Yikes



  • @voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    10m registered for welfare in the US in the last 2 weeks, 6.6m the last week alone.

    Previously weekly record was 695k in 1982

    Yikes

    This whole thing is fucked every which way.



  • @Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    10m registered for welfare in the US in the last 2 weeks, 6.6m the last week alone.

    Previously weekly record was 695k in 1982

    Yikes

    This whole thing is fucked every which way.

    That's a pretty fair summary



  • This is what happens when a huge percentage of the working population live from paycheck to paycheck.



  • @Bovidae said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    This is what happens when a huge percentage of the working population live from paycheck to paycheck.

    Some people just can't save a lot of money because of their circumstances. But there are a large group who can, but choose to spend all their disposable income on consumer goods that they don't necessarily need. In addition they borrow heavily to maintain a lifestyle beyond their means. Saving habits don't appear to have improved in the wake of the GFC and I'm sure that in the coming years people will quickly forget again



  • @canefan Yup, I got friends and relatives who draw fabulous salaries and are stressedtofuck because they’re leveraged up to their eyeballs in debt overpaying for real estate and luxuries they don’t need.



  • @canefan Probably partly to do with how easy it is to obtain credit and get yourself in debt. Marketing is very sophisticated and powerful and we all get sucked in to it by a certain degree.

    When afterpay became a thing I was always shocked when I heard friends saying how good it was etc, all I was thinking was they managed to get you to buy something you probably didn't need and you still have to pay for it.



  • @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @canefan Probably partly to do with how easy it is to obtain credit and get yourself in debt. Marketing is very sophisticated and powerful and we all get sucked in to it by a certain degree.

    When afterpay became a thing I was always shocked when I heard friends saying how good it was etc, all I was thinking was they managed to get you to buy something you probably didn't need and you still have to pay for it.

    It makes perfect economic sense to borrow. But that all assumes you have a job. As far as hire purchase and other 'free' money, just because the guy on the street is selling crack doesn't mean you have to buy crack



  • @canefan Even if its half price?



  • @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @canefan Even if its half price?

    Damn tempting isn't it?



  • the flip side is, if everyone is working 50 hours a week, why shouldn't you enjoy the fruits of it? What's the point otherwise?

    To save for a complete shutdown no one saw coming? And have that money make .05% interest because the rates never went back up?



  • @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    the flip side is, if everyone is working 50 hours a week, why shouldn't you enjoy the fruits of it? What's the point otherwise?

    To save for a complete shutdown no one saw coming? And have that money make .05% interest because the rates never went back up?

    I don't see it as an either or. You accept the risk when you leverage heavily to invest. But you are right, the virus was not a predictable crisis. But borrowing money to buy consumer stuff, such as credit card debt is never responsible in my book. For right or wrong I was taught not to spend what I didn't have



  • @mariner4life Work 25 hours a week instead?



  • @chimoaus 25 for The Man; another 25 for yourself.



  • @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @mariner4life Work 25 hours a week instead?

    if you can afford it, and don't like doing or owning stuff, go for it.

    We like nice stuff, and the ability to do things. It's why we work like we do.



  • @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @mariner4life Work 25 hours a week instead?

    if you can afford it, and don't like doing or owning stuff, go for it.

    We like nice stuff, and the ability to do things. It's why we work like we do.

    It's all about priorities. But if you borrow across several credit cards to fund all that, I'm not on board



  • @canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @mariner4life Work 25 hours a week instead?

    if you can afford it, and don't like doing or owning stuff, go for it.

    We like nice stuff, and the ability to do things. It's why we work like we do.

    It's all about priorities. But if you borrow across several credit cards to fund all that, I'm not on board

    that's different though, that's going well beyond your means, rather than just spending what you earn



  • @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @mariner4life Work 25 hours a week instead?

    if you can afford it, and don't like doing or owning stuff, go for it.

    We like nice stuff, and the ability to do things. It's why we work like we do.

    It's all about priorities. But if you borrow across several credit cards to fund all that, I'm not on board

    that's different though, that's going well beyond your means, rather than just spending what you earn

    So basically I think we are on the same page? πŸ€”πŸ˜ƒ



  • @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    I guess the other issue with Corona is whilst the overall death rate is likely to be lower than first thought, it is still fucken deadly to the old who already have health issues.

    They released the figures for that nursing home in the US, 130 odd residents, 101 got infected, 34 died. Those who died did have a range of issues with hypertension being the top of the list.

    d2771500-55cd-4322-af04-2eaf0819e8ec-image.png

    The question has to be, how do we protect the old and should Govt do anything to lower the rates of these existing conditions such as Hypertension and Cardiac disease?

    Main causes of Hypertension
    Smoking.
    Being overweight or obese.
    Lack of physical activity.
    Too much salt in the diet.
    Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day)
    Stress.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2005412

    Listening to Dr Drew Pinsky he said that under normal conditions it's not advisable, or standard procedure (or done) to put sick 80+ year olds on ventilation equipment as there's little chance of full recovery and the equipment is prioritized elsewhere. Palliative care instead.

    Not now though, an interesting insight into ventilator resource management



  • @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    The question has to be, how do we protect the old and should Govt do anything to lower the rates of these existing conditions such as Hypertension and Cardiac disease?

    Main causes of Hypertension
    Smoking. CHECK
    Being overweight or obese. COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE 1.7m/55Kg
    Lack of physical activity. CHECK
    Too much salt in the diet. CHECK
    Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day) TRY BOTTLES
    Stress. CHECK - PTSD

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2005412

    I'm completely fucked



  • @SynicBast You are not alone, I am 3/6. The overweight and lack of activity is all my own doing. I can relate to the PTSD, not much I can do to remove those memories and feelings. Good luck trying to lower your risk πŸ‘



  • @Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    I guess the other issue with Corona is whilst the overall death rate is likely to be lower than first thought, it is still fucken deadly to the old who already have health issues.

    They released the figures for that nursing home in the US, 130 odd residents, 101 got infected, 34 died. Those who died did have a range of issues with hypertension being the top of the list.

    d2771500-55cd-4322-af04-2eaf0819e8ec-image.png

    The question has to be, how do we protect the old and should Govt do anything to lower the rates of these existing conditions such as Hypertension and Cardiac disease?

    Main causes of Hypertension
    Smoking.
    Being overweight or obese.
    Lack of physical activity.
    Too much salt in the diet.
    Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day)
    Stress.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2005412

    Listening to Dr Drew Pinsky he said that under normal conditions it's not advisable, or standard procedure (or done) to put sick 80+ year olds on ventilation equipment as there's little chance of full recovery and the equipment is prioritized elsewhere. Palliative care instead.

    Not now though, an interesting insight into ventilator resource management

    It’s not just the low chances of full recovery, by all accounts being on a ventilator is quite traumatising, having air forced into the lungs is a very unpleasant experience, especially so for the already frail. Additional problems with breathing muscles atrophying making recovery a drawn out procedure too. Not to be recommended.



  • @SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.

    Everybody in my family has it (had it). 😞



  • @Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.

    Everybody in my family has it (had it). 😞

    BMI is such a load of shit. I'm technically overweight at 6'2 and 95kgs, which is ludicrous. I just have massive guns.



  • @voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @SynicBast I have hypertension and basically don't tick any of those ... except the BMI tells me I've overweight because I'm vertically challenged.

    Everybody in my family has it (had it). 😞

    BMI is such a load of shit. I'm technically overweight at 6'2 and 95kgs, which is ludicrous. I just have massive guns.

    it's spelt with a T


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