Coronavirus - Overall



  • @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MajorRage has been quiet.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-officer-attacked-by-youths-caught-breaking-social-distancing-guidance-a4447926.html

    That park is near me. West Byfleet is a decent enough sort of area, but it has had some anti social behaviour issues over the last few months.

    Hitting a cop though is far beyond this though, and I see arrests made is great. They'll be in jail for this.



  • Update from the Mother Land.

    I've been keeping my nose out of it or a while - the bullshit, political plays and country divide was getting on my tits. Combine that with the tenant in our rental flat disappearing, working 14 hour days and the kids losing their shit over home schooling, it's not been a great time.

    Anyway, I can proudly report that Piers Morgan is officially our new Prime Minister. It seems that what Piers wants, Piers gets. Starts a campaign about this, this happens. Be annoyed about that, that happens. Two quite clear examples. Captain Tom has been knighted, and the NHS surcharge (paid by everybody who immigrates here) has been scrapped for NHS workers. As if his ego wasn't big enough already.

    Anyway, overall the country seems on the improve. Numbers are dropping, things are opening up (slowly) and people are starting to look forwards. All in all, not bad.

    Still seems to be a lot of love for Cindy, with many people pointing out the NZ loss life etc as the benchmark we should be disgraced / ashamed / humiliated / shameful about. Obviously, very easy comparison if the UK was in the middle of nowhere with 5mm people, and no airports. But lets forget about that. The praise should, in my view, be as much for the NZ population as Cindy. They listened, they did what was said, they didn't act confused.

    The UK comm's were nowhere near as bad as being portrayed. Yes Boris fucked up a couple of times (I shook their hands), but when shit got real, he got real. Certain outlets will have you believe throughout this crisis, every single park across the country was rammed full of people not social distancing, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, there were issues, and yes London probably bore the brunt of it. But as of now, London hasn't reported a hospital death in a while, nor a new case. Tha argument of why is still still shut down is growing by the minute.

    Karol Sikora has without doubt, been the voice of reason. He's been slammed by many for being optimistic, but he reports on facts only. Not conjecture, not opinions. Facts. He offers opinions based on those facts, yes, and a lot of them are positive. But so what? It's a sea of negativity out there. Apparently one of his interviews was blocked on youtube as it was too optimistic. What message does that send? Who blocked it?

    Track and trace doesn't stand chance of working here. No way. The people don't trust the government.

    And when you read the above, why would they?

    So overall .. still here, still kicking. Tough few years ahead probably, but shit happens. Didn't want the 911 anyway.



  • @MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MajorRage has been quiet.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-officer-attacked-by-youths-caught-breaking-social-distancing-guidance-a4447926.html

    That park is near me. West Byfleet is a decent enough sort of area, but it has had some anti social behaviour issues over the last few months.

    Hitting a cop though is far beyond this though, and I see arrests made is great. They'll be in jail for this.

    Imagine the golfers have flocked back to the many courses around there!



  • @MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Update from the Mother Land.

    I've been keeping my nose out of it or a while - the bullshit, political plays and country divide was getting on my tits. Combine that with the tenant in our rental flat disappearing, working 14 hour days and the kids losing their shit over home schooling, it's not been a great time.

    Anyway, I can proudly report that Piers Morgan is officially our new Prime Minister. It seems that what Piers wants, Piers gets. Starts a campaign about this, this happens. Be annoyed about that, that happens. Two quite clear examples. Captain Tom has been knighted, and the NHS surcharge (paid by everybody who immigrates here) has been scrapped for NHS workers. As if his ego wasn't big enough already.

    Anyway, overall the country seems on the improve. Numbers are dropping, things are opening up (slowly) and people are starting to look forwards. All in all, not bad.

    Still seems to be a lot of love for Cindy, with many people pointing out the NZ loss life etc as the benchmark we should be disgraced / ashamed / humiliated / shameful about. Obviously, very easy comparison if the UK was in the middle of nowhere with 5mm people, and no airports. But lets forget about that. The praise should, in my view, be as much for the NZ population as Cindy. They listened, they did what was said, they didn't act confused.

    The UK comm's were nowhere near as bad as being portrayed. Yes Boris fucked up a couple of times (I shook their hands), but when shit got real, he got real. Certain outlets will have you believe throughout this crisis, every single park across the country was rammed full of people not social distancing, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, there were issues, and yes London probably bore the brunt of it. But as of now, London hasn't reported a hospital death in a while, nor a new case. Tha argument of why is still still shut down is growing by the minute.

    Karol Sikora has without doubt, been the voice of reason. He's been slammed by many for being optimistic, but he reports on facts only. Not conjecture, not opinions. Facts. He offers opinions based on those facts, yes, and a lot of them are positive. But so what? It's a sea of negativity out there. Apparently one of his interviews was blocked on youtube as it was too optimistic. What message does that send? Who blocked it?

    Track and trace doesn't stand chance of working here. No way. The people don't trust the government.

    And when you read the above, why would they?

    So overall .. still here, still kicking. Tough few years ahead probably, but shit happens. Didn't want the 911 anyway.

    Agree with almost all of the above. But Sikora has some commercial interests which have led to accusations of partiality. So I am a little skeptical when I read his pieces.

    When one looks at things, it seems that sorting public transport (masks for all) and distancing would obviate the need for lock down.

    Biggest issue still staff at hospitals and care homes, as they are the main carriers. But no clear strategy which can deal with that.



  • @pakman The care homes thing is a clusterfuck. But some points have never been touched by the media at all, in their rush to blame the government.

    1. Most care homes are private
    2. The govt did say people need not be tested before sending people back to care homes if they have no symptoms

    Now, if you were managing a care home, would you not immediately put provisions in place for

    1. Care home vistors
    2. Care home returnees from hospital regardless of symptoms, why in hospital, local outbreak etc.

    It is basic 1+1= 2 that you realise your residents are all considered high risk, and basic pragmatism means you put your home at the top alert level earlier than others with maximum precautions? If you need the government to tell you that, then you have no right to run a care home in my opinion.

    Senior staffers in the NHS and care home operatives are getting a massive let off at the moment, in people's rush to find fault with the government.



  • @pakman Fair enough. It's worth pointing out though that he's been accurate with his predictions re timings, so he's worth a listen.



  • @MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Apparently one of his interviews was blocked on youtube as it was too optimistic. What message does that send? Who blocked it?

    The media have been utter shite in doing their job during this crisis. At best incompetent in checking facts and any potential bias their "experts" may have, or at worst deliberately peddling fake news. And the public have cottoned onto it.

    They need to get their act together or governments are going to restrict journalistic access and bypass them altogether .

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  • @Victor-Meldrew you are 100% right there in my circle. Nobody has any interest in media reporting anymore, as it's too full of conjecture and opinion. Not fact.

    Govt is already restricting journalistic access according to one notable bell end ...

    Although to widen that would be knocking down a key pillar of an open democratic society.



  • @MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Although to widen that would be knocking down a key pillar of an open democratic society.

    I genuinely don't know what's more dangerous - a government boycotting parts of the media or parts of the media setting out to undermine the government with misleading, false, biased information and comment.



  • @MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Victor-Meldrew you are 100% right there in my circle. Nobody has any interest in media reporting anymore, as it's too full of conjecture and opinion. Not fact.

    Govt is already restricting journalistic access according to one notable bell end ...

    Although to widen that would be knocking down a key pillar of an open democratic society.

    It's a bit of a pantomime, really. Expect BoJo told Sirker that the senior echelons of NHS and PHE were totally hopeless, and that would be reviewed in due course. But they can't well call them out publicly when they're still reliant on them.

    UK press give every appearance of being so gormless that they believe ministers have personal involvement in the detail. For example, in case of PPE wanted public to write to Hancock regarding its handling, when a PPE Tsar had been appointed to sort -- Lord Deighton.

    Easier just to tune out.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Apparently one of his interviews was blocked on youtube as it was too optimistic. What message does that send? Who blocked it?

    The media have been utter shite in doing their job during this crisis. At best incompetent in checking facts and any potential bias their "experts" may have, or at worst deliberately peddling fake news. And the public have cottoned onto it.

    Quite a lot of that on Sweden. Lefties hate the fact they're ploughing their own furrow. Swedes each day report deaths which include revisions of past data going back sometimes three weeks. So seven day rolling announced deaths are twice the last seven days by date, if that makes sense. Last seven days rolling announced was high last week and UK press were all falling over themselves with 'Swedish imprudent strategy on buffers' fake news.

    They need to get their act together or governments are going to restrict journalistic access and bypass them altogether .

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  • @pakman You would imagine correct.



  • @MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @pakman The care homes thing is a clusterfuck. But some points have never been touched by the media at all, in their rush to blame the government.

    1. Most care homes are private
    2. The govt did say people need not be tested before sending people back to care homes if they have no symptoms

    Now, if you were managing a care home, would you not immediately put provisions in place for

    1. Care home vistors
    2. Care home returnees from hospital regardless of symptoms, why in hospital, local outbreak etc.

    It is basic 1+1= 2 that you realise your residents are all considered high risk, and basic pragmatism means you put your home at the top alert level earlier than others with maximum precautions? If you need the government to tell you that, then you have no right to run a care home in my opinion.

    Senior staffers in the NHS and care home operatives are getting a massive let off at the moment, in people's rush to find fault with the government.

    OK, so small sample size - ie 1! But.. a friend of mine is in a private care home locally following a severe accident. They were in full lockdown before the Government announcements and the staff had PPE. No reported cases as yet.

    So if the will and foresight was there it would seem disaster could have been avoided to one degree or another.

    In other words, I am agreeing with you!



  • @pakman

    Think it was the Telegraph pushing that story a day or two ago.

    Guido Fawkes has been documenting many of their howlers . They ran a piece saying something like "Chaos as Hancock changes "Stay Alert" to "Keep Distance".

    Turns out the "Keep Distance" slogan was one the Telegraph itself came up with after the government paid them for an advertising campaign...







  • Haven't listened but you'd think this would be bigger news if true huh.

    https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/126862

    U of T researcher believes they’ve found a cure for COVID-19
    


  • @Tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    was the treatment started 40 hours after being hospitalized. Or 48 hours after first becoming ill

    Some doctors have had success with this treatment. But it must include zinc and must be administered in the early stages. not when ill and sent to hospital. And did the treatment include zinc?





  • Dominic Cummings and goings.

    Fucking disgrace.

    The action and the non-action.



  • @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Dominic Cummings and goings.

    Fucking disgrace.

    The action and the non-action.

    The whole thing is weird.

    First the media report the police spoke to Cummings. Then he and No.10 vehemently deny this . They wouldn't do that unless they were absolutely sure they were right. The media reports that the police spoke to Cummings then disappear....

    The usual rent-a-mouths start shouting about arrests, hypocrisy and sackings

    Cummings then says he acted legally & responsibly and was putting his child's welfare first. No. 10 and Snr Ministers pile in defending Cummings playing up the child welfare angle

    Then up pops a clip from Jenny Harries telling reporters parents who are ill and may not be able to look after a child "created exceptional circumstances where family members could be called upon to help."

    Now the media attack has morphed into the standard defensive smoke-screen of "was there a No. 10 cover-up....?"

    Either a journalistic cock-up or the media are being played perhaps?

    EDIT: The Media coverage is now changed to simply reporting today's events in the Cummings saga.



  • Uproar over SFA.



  • I would do what’s best for my kids over any government ruling.

    Every single time.

    Don’t really care about the details to be honest. Better things to focus on.



  • @MajorRage I know I shouldn't be surprised but I'm pretty appalled at these fucken dogs with bones about something so inconsequential.

    "Oh but I wasn't allowed to do this and that"

    So fucking what. I've not been able to go for a swim because I don't have my own pool.



  • @Bones I literally just don’t care. At all.

    Getting the country back up and running should be the focus. Anything not related to that is tabloid bollocks.

    Trash journalism written by trash people for trash people.



  • @MajorRage exactly how I feel. It's the only fucken thing in the news and absolutely took over the briefing though. Infantile. And that's coming from me.



  • @Bones @MajorRage

    I take a different view to you guys. They’re playing up the child welfare thing on the premise that they didn’t have sufficient child care cover if they went down with the virus. It’s a very emotional argument, looking after your kid’s welfare. We’d all be all over that, but come on. One of the most powerful men in the country can’t get child care. Really?

    Taking the emotion out of it, was the journey itself that bad? Not really. A bit something and nothing. But the fact is he is now perceived to be of the view the rules don’t apply to him. His actions were either stupid or arrogant in times where the Government can well do without either. His actions and the subsequent sweeping under the carpet have made this the issue of the day when there are far more important things.

    Fuck him. Twat.



  • I don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading your replies.

    Edit
    Not Cato's response



  • @Catogrande but why did he make the trip then, at what benefit? Free beers at the other end? Home cooked meals?



  • @MiketheSnow don't pretend you weren't already crying.



  • @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande but why did he make the trip then, at what benefit? Free beers at the other end? Home cooked meals?

    The cynic in me says because he could. The not quite so cynical side of me would say he did it for his own convenience. A bit of peace and quiet with the wider family. I don’t buy his excuse at all, certainly not on a reasonable basis with there not being other options.





  • @MiketheSnow @Catogrande

    I don’t care enough to even engage in debate. That’s my point.

    Has no bearing on anything other than political points. Not relevant.



  • @MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MiketheSnow @Catogrande

    I don’t care enough to even engage in debate. That’s my point.

    Has no bearing on anything other than political points. Not relevant.

    In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king



  • @MiketheSnow not the man who can drive a couple hundred miles to his family?







  • Seems I need to care. It’s gone apeshit. Just what is needed.

    So much for the positivity I mentioned. Media just won’t allow it.

    Take down the government at all costs. Fucked.



  • The outrage is perfectly understandable when you have advisors ignoring the government's own policy. So why wouldn't people be upset at the gross restrictions forced on them while the scientist who said it could kill half a million ignores the very measures to prevent it?



  • @MajorRage That was part of my point earlier, that his actions and the response from No10 have made him the story rather than the bigger issues. Regardless of whether you consider his actions no big deal it was, at best, stupid to risk the all too foreseeable consequences.


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