Coronavirus - Overall



  • @Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Re: Spain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jun/19/coronavirus-covid-19-live-news-update-us-questions-beijing-cluster-figures-who-vaccine-doses-latest-updates?page=with:block-5eecb9d38f08cb2c65084b86#block-5eecb9d38f08cb2c65084b86

    The Spanish health ministry has just updated the country’s Covid-19 death toll to 28,313 after leaving the figure frozen at 27,136 for almost two weeks while it checked and analysed the data.

    The government had been widely criticised for “pausing” the death figures on 7 June, but had defended the move on the grounds that it needed to “review the information on deaths” and establish the date of death, rather than when the death was reported.

    Statistics on infections and deaths are collected by each of Spain’s 17 autonomous regions and then given to the central government in Madrid.

    Towards the end of May, the health ministry changed its methods for collecting data on cases and deaths, leading to a sharp drop in daily cases and some days when no deaths were reported – despite regional governments reporting fatalities over the same period.

    Spanish Health Minister Salvador Illa appears before the parliamentary Commission for Social and Economic reconstruction at the Lower House in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: MARISCAL/EPA

    The government argued that the changes had been needed to help it pin down and isolate new outbreaks rather than focusing on the overall picture.

    On Friday, the health minister, Salvador Illa, said there have been 34 small outbreaks involving 982 individual cases in Spain over the past four to six weeks. He added that all of the outbreaks were now under control.

    Most of the outbreaks were detected among people who had flouted the lockdown to gather for parties, among people working in slaughterhouses, or among seasonal workers or those returning from working abroad.

    The government says it is still working to process and provide figures on the number of people who have died from the coronavirus in Spanish care homes. Deaths in homes for elderly or disabled people are expected to account for a significant proportion of all deaths.

    Of the 15,043 people who have died from the virus or with associated symptoms in the Madrid region alone, 5,981 were in residential homes.

    Mortality figures from the Carlos III research institute in Madrid show that there were 43,360 “excess deaths” – more fatalities than would normally have been expected – in Spain between 13 March and 22 May.

    While 77,362 deaths had been anticipated over the period, there were 120,722 – a 56% increase.

    The latest figures from the health ministry suggest that confirmed cases of Covid-19 account for at least 64% of those excess deaths.

    Sources said that many of the remaining deaths could be down to the virus, but noted that the figures could also be skewed by the fact that many people had been too scared to go to hospital during the height of the pandemic, and may have died at home from strokes or heart attacks as a result.

    Quite interesting that deaths didn't peak for some time after lockdown. Some suggesting that indicates that lockdown itself irrelevant.



  • @pakman Spain tho innit? Typical Manana attitude.



  • @pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Quite interesting that deaths didn't peak for some time after lockdown. Some suggesting that indicates that lockdown itself irrelevant.

    Where are you getting that from?



  • Some US governors thought it was 'safe' to push COVID-19 positive elderly patients back into nursing homes



  • @Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Some US governors thought it was 'safe' to push COVID-19 positive elderly patients back into nursing homes

    So is that what passes for analysis now? The irony of the "fake news" critics pumping out dross like this...



  • @pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Quite interesting that deaths didn't peak for some time after lockdown. Some suggesting that indicates that lockdown itself irrelevant.

    Where are you getting that from?

    When you click on graph you can see timing of lockdown.



  • @pakman

    So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.

    What would be expected peak date?

    From wiki:

    Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions

    And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.

    On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.



  • @JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Some US governors thought it was 'safe' to push COVID-19 positive elderly patients back into nursing homes

    So is that what passes for analysis now? The irony of the "fake news" critics pumping out dross like this...

    How is this fake please? Genuine question



  • @Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @pakman

    So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.

    What would be expected peak date?

    From wiki:

    Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions

    And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.

    On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.



  • @pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @pakman

    So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.

    What would be expected peak date?

    From wiki:

    Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions

    And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.

    On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.

    Oh oh



  • Yawn. All these lockdowns are a waste of time experts. Please explain Brazil, USA etc.



  • @Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Yawn. All these lockdowns are a waste of time experts. Please explain Brazil, USA etc.

    Did anybody say they are a waste of time? It's quite clear that when it comes to limiting the human damage to CV that harsh lockdowns are the only way forwards. It's also quite clear that if you are extremely successful at eradicating the disease from your country with limited loss/spread, then you need to remain firmly closed for a huge amount of time. Basically until there are no cases worldwide, or there is a vaccine. This could be as long as 2 years.

    The economic and other fallouts from this border close come with their own catastrophes.

    Not saying either side is right or wrong. A month ago, I think I wrote on here how homesick I was due to the handling of the virus and the genuine feeling/mood of the UK whilst reading about NZ coming out / moving forwards..
    Now, I'm not so sure that holds true.

    Although it may just be because we have another clear blue sky 30 degree plus week coming up. The sun does funny things to Poms.



  • @MiketheSnow The analysis takes a single data point (number of deaths in care homes), spins that into a number of avoidable deaths (which is conjecture) then blames someone for the theoretical number.

    The handling of the Covid-19 outbreak in the US seems to have been poor at all levels, and in New York worse than most places. Some proper analysis, without the political hits, the inevitable ambulance chasing and the preconceived reasoning would be really helpful. There may be a story here but this isn’t it.



  • Latest FTs chart showing the movement of the virus through the continents: (from official figures only)
    https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441
    FTChart.JPG





  • @pakman

    From his own website:
    Dr. Murray is one of the world’s leading authorities on natural medicine. He has published over 30 books featuring natural approaches to health. ..

    He has personally collected over 65,000 articles from the scientific literature, which provide strong evidence on the effectiveness of diet, vitamins, minerals, herbs, and other natural measures in the maintenance of health and the treatment of disease. It is from this constantly expanding database that Dr. Murray provides the answers on health and healing on DoctorMurray.com...

    Unfortunately, many people are not aware of the natural approach that can put them on the road to lifelong health. Dr. Murray has dedicated his life to educating physicians, patients, and the general public on the tremendous healing power of nature.



  • @dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @pakman

    From his own website:
    Dr. Murray is one of the world’s leading authorities on natural medicine. He has published over 30 books featuring natural approaches to health. ..

    He has personally collected over 65,000 articles from the scientific literature, which provide strong evidence on the effectiveness of diet, vitamins, minerals, herbs, and other natural measures in the maintenance of health and the treatment of disease. It is from this constantly expanding database that Dr. Murray provides the answers on health and healing on DoctorMurray.com...

    Unfortunately, many people are not aware of the natural approach that can put them on the road to lifelong health. Dr. Murray has dedicated his life to educating physicians, patients, and the general public on the tremendous healing power of nature.

    Well that's that source goooone then.... Woooooooo!!!



  • @dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    lifelong health

    Philosophically, I'm struggling with those two words together.



  • https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/06/covid-19-drug-remdesivir-priced-at-3650-per-patient-in-developed-nations.html

    COVID-19 drug remdesivir priced at $3650 per patient in developed nations

    Gilead Sciences Inc on Monday priced its COVID-19 antiviral remdesivir at US$2340 ($3650) per patient for wealthier nations - and agreed to send nearly all of its supply of the drug to the United States over the next three months.

    The price tag is slightly below the range of US$2520 to US$2800 suggested last week by US drug pricing research group the Institute for Clinical and Economic Review (ICER) after British researchers said they found that the cheap, widely available steroid dexamethasone significantly reduced mortality among severely ill COVID-19 patients.

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    Remdesivir is expected to be in high demand as one of the only treatments so far shown to alter the course of COVID-19. After the intravenously administered medicine helped shorten hospital recovery times in a clinical trial, it won emergency use authorisation in the United States and full approval in Japan.

    The drug is believed to be most effective in treating patients earlier in the course of disease than dexamethasone, which reduced deaths in patients requiring supportive oxygen and those on a ventilator. Still, remdesivir in its currently formulation, is only being used on patients sick enough to require hospitalization as a five-day treatment course.

    The company is developing an inhaled version that could be used outside a hospital setting.

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    For US patients with commercial insurance, Gilead said it will charge US$3120 per course, or US$520 per vial. That is a 33 percent increase over the US$390 per vial Gilead said it will charge governments of developed countries and US patients in government healthcare programs.

    'Outrageous price for a very modest drug'

    In an open letter, Gilead chief executive Daniel O'Day said the price is well below the value it provides given that early hospital discharges could save around US$12,000 per patient in the United States.

    Patient advocates have argued that the cost should be lower since remdesivir was developed with financial support from the US government.

    US Representative Lloyd Doggett, a Democrat from Texas, said it was "an outrageous price for a very modest drug, which taxpayer funding saved from a scrapheap of failures".

    Remdesivir had previously failed as an Ebola treatment and has not shown that it can reduce COVID-19 deaths.

    Gilead also said it agreed to continue to send most of its supply of remdesivir to the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), with the agency and states set to manage allocation to US hospitals until the end of September.

    There are currently more cases of COVID-19 in the United States than in Europe, with several US states hitting new records for numbers of cases.

    HHS has been distributing the drug since May and was due to run out after this week. A senior HHS official said the agency expects the drug will soon be a scarce resource, and so it wanted to remain involved in allocating it.

    The agency said it secured more than 500,000 remdesivir courses for US hospitals through September. That represents all of Gilead's projected production for July and 90 percent of its production in August and September, in addition to an allocation for clinical trials, HHS said.

    Once supplies are less constrained, HHS will stop managing the allocation, Gilead said. The company did not discuss its supply strategy for developed nations outside the United States.

    Remdesivir's price has been a topic of intense debate. Experts have said Gilead would need to avoid appearing to take advantage of a health crisis for profits.

    Gilead shares were about flat on Monday.

    Analysts at Royal Bank of Canada forecast the drug could generate $2.3 billion in revenue 2020, helping offset more than $1 billion in development and distribution costs. They said additional profits could be limited because vaccines and better treatments are on the horizon.

    The European Union's healthcare regulator last week recommended conditional approval of the drug when used in the critically ill.

    Gilead has linked up with generic drugmakers based in India and Pakistan, including Cipla Ltd and Hetero Labs Ltd, to make and supply remdesivir in 127 developing countries.

    Cipla's version is priced at less than 5000 Indian rupees (US$66.24), while Hetero Lab's version is priced at 5400 rupees (US$71.54).





  • @Bones yea I wonder how many of these viruses are being discovered anyway that have the 'potential' but dont... @Tim ?

    Or are we entering a new era where this is going to become more common?



  • @taniwharugby or just more news worthy



  • @mariner4life yeah that was kinda what I meant in my first point...just didnt say it that way



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Bones yea I wonder how many of these viruses are being discovered anyway that have the 'potential' but dont... @Tim ?

    Or are we entering a new era where this is going to become more common?

    A couple of things.

    I think that better technology means that we know they are out there , detect them earlier, etc, but can't fix it with either a vaccine or a remedy once detected. Hopefully that will come, but probably quite some time.

    The other side of it is overpopulation, urbanisation. This shit just spreads like wildfire now. Too many people in close proximity. Hong Kong is battery people (as in battery hens).

    Oh and stop eating bats, civet cats and rats or whatever the fuck else is going on. Probably pork too as pigs are genetically close to humans and viral transmission is apparently more common, hence there being several types and outbreaks of swine flu.

    Having said all of that, yes ask @Tim and get some highly scientific answer that we won't understand.

    Certainly more newsworthy - just put the shits up people even more why don't they?

    A minor rant but I have been at the epicenter of a few of these things (they are mostly from southern China - see stop eating weird shit and over population comments) and I'm still here.



  • @Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Probably pork too

    oi easy there mate



  • @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Probably pork too

    oi easy there mate

    You spelled oink wrong, but yeah that was pushing it.



  • @taniwharugby

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/stunning-faucis-remdesivir-costs-9-per-dose-will-sold-3000-per-dose-china-company-linked-soros-will-also-mass-produce-drug/

    And a previous report at Bloomberg noted the cost to manufacture remdesivir is only $9 per treatment.
    Hydroxychloroquine is only $1 per treatment!

    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (https://aapsonline.org) filed a lawsuit against Department of Health and Human Services and the FDA for “irrational interference” by the FDA with timely access to hydroxychloroquine.

    Never in history have we seen such a determined effort by the scientific community and pharmaceutical industry to downplay and lie about the use of a successful drug to treat a deadly disease.

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    Hydroxychloroquine is the first choice in a study of 6,000 doctors treating the coronavirus.
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    But there was great pushback against hydroxychloroquine for two reasons. The first reason was because it was safe and very inexpensive. The second reason is because Donald Trump promoted its use.

    It is not a stretch to say the Democrat establishment would rather see people die than see President Trump be proven right.

    As we reported earlier from the beginning Dr. Fauci was against the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus. **Fauci was thrilled about its use just a few years ago.

    Dr. Fauci did promote the use of remdesivir. He was excited to share the news on its effectiveness in April.

    Gilead, the company that produces remdesivir, is a large company that spends millions in its lobbying efforts annually**:



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  • Some good news at last. Lockdown is easing in many countries. Austria an The Netherlands have announced the Re-opening of.... brothels.

    Why they weren’t on the essential list in the first place is beyond me.



  • @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Austria an The Netherlands have announced the Re-opening of.... brothels.

    It is traditional way of spreading diseases.



  • @Snowy am sure wearing a mask will be sweet!



  • @Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Austria an The Netherlands have announced the Re-opening of.... brothels.

    It is traditional way of spreading diseases.

    Well, you say that but you'd think of all the places that have protocols in place already...



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    Not much sign yet of a Latin america peak. Maybe a plateau in Mexico and Brazil.

    India, rest of South Asia, Africa, and Middle East outside of Iran, now looking the 'growth' areas.

    https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441



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    Full article here, probably paywalled unless you have a login.
    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/04/how-speedy-lockdowns-save-lives

    Good graphic of how regional the spread has been, even within early badly affected countries.



  • Dr Trump.

    Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'. Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hydroxychloroquine-helped-save-coronavirus-study



  • @Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Dr Trump.

    Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'. Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hydroxychloroquine-helped-save-coronavirus-study

    His actions were still irresponsible. Leave drug advice to the experts. It appears to be useful in a very narrow mode of application. Doesn't help if people end up trying to snap up the drug and it actually harms those who aren't already infected and about to get very sick





  • @Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Dr Trump.

    Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'. Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hydroxychloroquine-helped-save-coronavirus-study

    And yet WHO have now suspended trials of hydroxychloroquine. Who to believe?



  • Holy shit.

    China Never Reported Existence of Coronavirus to World Health Organization
    WHO backtracks on original claim that China self-reported, admits this never happened

    https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-never-reported-existence-of-coronavirus-to-world-health-organization/




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