Coronavirus - Overall
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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If I've had covid and obviously recovered why take a vaccine?
You say it stops infection then why do world leaders including Biden, insist on masks and social distancing between those who have been vaccinated....
My opinions;
I work with a guy that had Covid, and recently got the two vaccine shots. The advice he received was having Covid didn't mean he couldn't get it again. Evidence has shown that after the vaccine you get a more milder dose of the illness (seen scans of the lung damage of vaccinated and a normal sufferer).
We may also end up with yearly shots, similar to the flu to cover the worst strains. That's also why it's important to get to herd immunity quickly to strangle the disease before we get too many variations.
I'd imagine that mask wearing will move to the Asian model of wearing one if you feel sick, to help prevent spreading germs. I think this is a good thing to adopt. Look at the current stats of the normal flu. These sorts of behavior changes are becoming more important as the world population (and city densities) increase. Going to be more of this sort of illnesses.
That said, if we get to 80% vaccinated and we are still having draconian measures like lockdowns and closed borders, you'd have to wonder why. That will be the litmus test form me. Governments don't usually roll back power grabs, be interesting to see what the landscape is like in 2022.
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@kirwan IMHO the government have already tried to loosen off in NZ. There is a loss of appetite for lockdowns now, they seem to be conscious of the public mood, coupled with better contact tracing (perhaps). I would like to think they will progressively loosen up over the next 12 months, especially once the population have been mostly vaccinated
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@canefan yeah I think the large amounts of luck we have had, have shown we can manage this without further lockdowns, but I still think they need to act quicker with releasing contact tracing data, as we have seen it is 2 or 3 days before locations of interest are released, after which time people could have spread it further.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan yeah I think the large amounts of luck we have had, have shown we can manage this without further lockdowns, but I still think they need to act quicker with releasing contact tracing data, as we have seen it is 2 or 3 days before locations of interest are released, after which time people could have spread it further.
Much easier to do that if the infected person is using the covid tracer app as opposed to having to be interviewed and then trying to remember where they have been each day, and at what times.
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@bovidae said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan yeah I think the large amounts of luck we have had, have shown we can manage this without further lockdowns, but I still think they need to act quicker with releasing contact tracing data, as we have seen it is 2 or 3 days before locations of interest are released, after which time people could have spread it further.
Much easier to do that if the infected person is using the covid tracer app as opposed to having to be interviewed and then trying to remember where they have been each day, and at what times.
You beat me to it. Going about my business these days I feel like I am the only person using the app. People have totally let go
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@bovidae but even that lady that toured Northland we were told she was meticulous in her use of it yet it was a couple of days before it was all released.
Yea I don't see many using it either.
I don't see many using it anymore either, but a quick look at the app suggests usage is at about normal 'non Alert Level 2/3' rates:
664,002 QR code scans so far today (8.30pm)
24,010 manual entries so far today
1,303,510 with Bluetooth tracing active today (I'm surprised it's that low, given how easy/passive it is to have on). That's out of 2,809,225 "all time app registrations" -
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@bovidae but even that lady that toured Northland we were told she was meticulous in her use of it yet it was a couple of days before it was all released.
Yea I don't see many using it either.
I don't see many using it anymore either, but a quick look at the app suggests usage is at about normal 'non Alert Level 2/3' rates:
664,002 QR code scans so far today (8.30pm)
24,010 manual entries so far today
1,303,510 with Bluetooth tracing active today (I'm surprised it's that low, given how easy/passive it is to have on). That's out of 2,809,225 "all time app registrations"Right, so just a bunch of useless fluffybunnies around where I'm at then
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@bovidae but even that lady that toured Northland we were told she was meticulous in her use of it yet it was a couple of days before it was all released.
I agree that the system should be more efficient but logic suggests one method will be quicker getting the info than the other. I also wonder if there is a process that the MoH needs to follow around privacy, i.e., business owners need to be contacted first and steps taken before the public is notified. That should only take hours not days.
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I was talking to Indian colleagues at morning tea. They are of the opinion that the numbers are 10 x worse than the official numbers, this has already been reported in media as possibly up to 10 x worse than official numbers when journalists have visited crematoriums/cemetaries and written a piece. Maybe my colleagues are influenced by these reported numbers.
Which would be in same ball park as the Wuhan rumours. But unfortunately at scale.
But whether numbers are 2 x or 3x seems not outrageous. Talking Mexico, Russia, South Africa, Iran etc. But 10 x is harder to fathom, reading the media reports I did hold a degree of scepticism about 10x - that cremations make it seem more apocalyptic. But I think it is clear that it is at a factor worse than the undercounting in these other countries.
Quite a harrowing conversation, tbh. The relative youth of victims they personally know.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
Sounds like a straw man argument to me when I see people actually qualified on the matter raise objections and concerns with the government's health policy.
I'm also entirely unsurprised at India's predicament. A country with aspirations to be a superpower. It's only superpowers are population and bureaucracy.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
Sounds like a straw man argument to me when I see people actually qualified on the matter raise objections and concerns with the government's health policy.
I'm also entirely unsurprised at India's predicament. A country with aspirations to be a superpower. It's only superpowers are population and bureaucracy.
poverty. shit hygiene conditions. restrictive class system. people living on top of each other. I wonder why they are fucked?
I bet their numbers are way higher than are reported too, because i bet people die of it in the slums and go unrecorded.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Inida right now.
Amazing that there are people out there that will still argue that COVID is fake news or that lockdown/mask/social restrictions/border measures were unnecessary or simply power grabs.
that aimed at me?
Nope.