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  • Cotter Appointed Fiji Airways Flying Fijians Head Coach

    Fiji Rugby Union are thrilled to announce the appointment of New Zealander Vern Cotter as the incoming Fiji Airways Flying Fijians Head Coach.
    
    The two-time Super Rugby and Top 14 Championship winner will take the reins of the Flying Fijians program upon finalization of his commitments with Montpellier.
    
    Vern Cotter commenced his coaching career two decades ago with the Bay of Plenty (NZ) where with Joe Schmidt as his Assistant, they won the Ranfurly Shield for the first time in the Province’s history and made the play-offs.
    
    He was then approached by the Crusaders to coach the forwards and in his first year they made the final and he then was involved in them winning a Super Rugby title in 2005 and 2006 before he headed to Clermont in France.
    
    At Clermont he turned the team around and they made multiple finals and won the Top 14 for the first time on their history in the 2009/10 season. Cotter also presided over Clermont winning 77 games at home which was and still is a world record within the professional game.
    
    He was then approached by Scotland to be their Head Coach and was the most successful Head Coach of Scotland in the professional area with a (53%) win record which included wins against France, Argentina, Italy, Ireland and Wales. Cotter was the Head Coach for Scotland at the 2015 Rugby World Cup.
    
    Hardwired for success and known for his straight shooting and technical-tactical approach, Chairman Kean says the new Head Coach is expected to ignite a step up in performance for the Flying Fijians as they progress towards the 2023 Rugby World Cup in France.
    
    Commander Kean said Mr. Cotter is expected to arrive in Fiji following the completion of his contract with Montpellier, in time to coach the Flying Fijians for first test scheduled against Tonga in Tonga on July 4, 2020.
    
    “We hope he can get to us earlier than then, but this depends on the play-offs in France, and other matters.”
    
    In his role, Mr. Cotter will also focus on coach development and succession planning through upskilling local provincial Coaches and, taking local Coaches such as Senirusi Seruvakula, Koli Sewabu, Kele Leawere, Inoke Male and Ifereimi Rawaqa under his mentorship to prepare them as potential successors for the Flying Fijians Coaching position.
    


  • Holding pattern for ABs bid in two years?



  • @Machpants I can't find anywhere for how long he has been appointed. I assumed it was up to and including the 2023 RWC, but that may be wrong.



  • @Stargazer said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @Machpants I can't find anywhere for how long he has been appointed. I assumed it was up to and including the 2023 RWC, but that may be wrong.

    I doubt Fiji would play hardball with the NZRU if there isn't an outclause already. It wouldn't be shocking to see Schmidt pop up there in an informal capacity either now would it? Good opportunity for both to get fresh and recharge but still keep their toe in the water.

    It will be curious because despite the contract being for two years if Foster isn't renewed before the 2021 TRC (like Henry in 09 and Hansen in 13 were) the public pressure will likely be on Foster game to game.

    The wild card is Robinson as CEO, but it's difficult to see Foster getting the automatic extension if the ABs perform as they have the last three seasons if Gatland (post Lions duties and on NZRU retainer) and Scmidt/Cotter potentially are waiting in the wings. If Foster is forced to reapply, like with Smith and Mitchell he best not even bother.

    It's been over 17 years since there was public discontent over the AB coach that wasn't contained to Christchurch; when previously it was the norm. It will be interesting to see what it looks like in 2020!



  • @rotated said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @Stargazer said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @Machpants I can't find anywhere for how long he has been appointed. I assumed it was up to and including the 2023 RWC, but that may be wrong.

    I doubt Fiji would play hardball with the NZRU if there isn't an outclause already. It wouldn't be shocking to see Schmidt pop up there in an informal capacity either now would it? Good opportunity for both to get fresh and recharge but still keep their toe in the water.

    It will be curious because despite the contract being for two years if Foster isn't renewed before the 2021 TRC (like Henry in 09 and Hansen in 13 were) the public pressure will likely be on Foster game to game.

    The wild card is Robinson as CEO, but it's difficult to see Foster getting the automatic extension if the ABs perform as they have the last three seasons if Gatland (post Lions duties and on NZRU retainer) and Scmidt/Cotter potentially are waiting in the wings. If Foster is forced to reapply, like with Smith and Mitchell he best not even bother.

    It's been over 17 years since there was public discontent over the AB coach that wasn't contained to Christchurch; when previously it was the norm. It will be interesting to see what it looks like in 2020!

    WTF? Do you call coaching Fiji "get fresh and recharge" as if it's not a genuine head coaching role? It's not a holiday job!



  • @Stargazer said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @rotated said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @Stargazer said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @Machpants I can't find anywhere for how long he has been appointed. I assumed it was up to and including the 2023 RWC, but that may be wrong.

    I doubt Fiji would play hardball with the NZRU if there isn't an outclause already. It wouldn't be shocking to see Schmidt pop up there in an informal capacity either now would it? Good opportunity for both to get fresh and recharge but still keep their toe in the water.

    It will be curious because despite the contract being for two years if Foster isn't renewed before the 2021 TRC (like Henry in 09 and Hansen in 13 were) the public pressure will likely be on Foster game to game.

    The wild card is Robinson as CEO, but it's difficult to see Foster getting the automatic extension if the ABs perform as they have the last three seasons if Gatland (post Lions duties and on NZRU retainer) and Scmidt/Cotter potentially are waiting in the wings. If Foster is forced to reapply, like with Smith and Mitchell he best not even bother.

    It's been over 17 years since there was public discontent over the AB coach that wasn't contained to Christchurch; when previously it was the norm. It will be interesting to see what it looks like in 2020!

    WTF? Do you call coaching Fiji "get fresh and recharge" as if it's not a genuine head coaching role? It's not a holiday job!

    it's in Fiji! of course it is! It's all midday Fiji Gold's and snorkeling.

    Plus Fiji only play like 7 times a year.



  • @mariner4life said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @Stargazer said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @rotated said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @Stargazer said in SH International Rugby (other than TRC, ABs):

    @Machpants I can't find anywhere for how long he has been appointed. I assumed it was up to and including the 2023 RWC, but that may be wrong.

    I doubt Fiji would play hardball with the NZRU if there isn't an outclause already. It wouldn't be shocking to see Schmidt pop up there in an informal capacity either now would it? Good opportunity for both to get fresh and recharge but still keep their toe in the water.

    It will be curious because despite the contract being for two years if Foster isn't renewed before the 2021 TRC (like Henry in 09 and Hansen in 13 were) the public pressure will likely be on Foster game to game.

    The wild card is Robinson as CEO, but it's difficult to see Foster getting the automatic extension if the ABs perform as they have the last three seasons if Gatland (post Lions duties and on NZRU retainer) and Scmidt/Cotter potentially are waiting in the wings. If Foster is forced to reapply, like with Smith and Mitchell he best not even bother.

    It's been over 17 years since there was public discontent over the AB coach that wasn't contained to Christchurch; when previously it was the norm. It will be interesting to see what it looks like in 2020!

    WTF? Do you call coaching Fiji "get fresh and recharge" as if it's not a genuine head coaching role? It's not a holiday job!

    it's in Fiji! of course it is! It's all midday Fiji Gold's and snorkeling.

    Plus Fiji only play like 7 times a year.

    My point was more the second than the first.

    Games played in the previous cycle:

    2016: 5
    2017: 8
    2018: 6
    2019: 11

    Montpellier would have played 26 games plus 6-9 European Cup games in his final season as coach before transitioning upstairs. Bit of a difference.

    The job has traditionally been done from the SH, so if Cotter wanted to move back to NZ after a decade up north (and he has reportedly made at least three attempts to do so in recent years presumably for less coin) then that would make even more sense.





  • @Stargazer he seems to think NZR have magic powers and unlimited funds.



  • Yup NZ need to pay for the PI, in both money and depth.

    Fuck off



  • The same guy that made a sweeeet living off NZ rugby and got to play for Tonga?





  • .

    Not sure why anyone would want this.

    “If we can’t get a full TRC (Rugby Championship) because of the travel restrictions then we are looking at other things that we could do, a Wallabies versus Anzac invitation team. Something to be creative.”

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    You'd think it's either Wallabies v All Blacks, or ANZAC XV v another country than Australia and New Zealand.


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