Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
We always notice when we come back. Can anyone explain to me why a block of Colby cheese costs $9 and same brand of Vintage costs $16? It's $32/kg!!!
from my experience booze is cheaper in NZ. So it's not all bad
I notice that when I go to Oz. We can buy Aussie wine cheaper at home
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with the milk products, lamb, wine etc that we export, we are paying premium price for stuff, and as mentioend in another thread elsewhere, our best stuff is usually exported anyway.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
Apologies if I wasn't clear.
I don't think I said there was a 'premium' on top. I'm not accusing anyone of fleecing for profit or overcharging.
What I was saying is that there are plenty of tourism businesses that are setup based on what overseas tourists will pay and that may not be the same as what domestic tourists are willing to. If they want to ride things out based on the domestic market they might need to re-think their offerings.Take something like those open top buses that take tourists around attractions in London. I don't know anyone that lives there that would pay £25-30 for that but and many of the buses are way under capacity. A reduced service at a reduced cost promoted as 'see your city the way the tourists do' could well attract some family groups and out of owners.
That may not be a great example but was an attempt to explain where I am coming from.
i think there needs to be a separation between domestic tourists, and local tourists. Domestic tourists will do things are normal prices because they are on holiday, and that's what you do. They may not doing everything in one trip like someone from overseas would do, but they will be like every other tourist generally.
Local tourists live in the area, and hate paying for things in their own back yard. The greatest challenge is to get them to buy in to your product, and it's why so much time and money goes in to local discounts, and local "membership" schemes. If they come regularly, they will also bring their visitors with them. They are way more price driven than any other market.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
We always notice when we come back. Can anyone explain to me why a block of Colby cheese costs $9 and same brand of Vintage costs $16? It's $32/kg!!!
from my experience booze is cheaper in NZ. So it's not all bad
And with my alcohol-to-cheese spending ratio where it is at the moment , I should probably stop complaining.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
local discounts, and local "membership" schemes
I dont think there is a great deal of this in NZ?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
We always notice when we come back. Can anyone explain to me why a block of Colby cheese costs $9 and same brand of Vintage costs $16? It's $32/kg!!!
from my experience booze is cheaper in NZ. So it's not all bad
I notice that when I go to Oz. We can buy Aussie wine cheaper at home
It's quite bizarre - Australian wine is cheaper in NZ than Australia, and NZ wine is cheaper in the UK than in NZ 🤷♂️
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
We always notice when we come back. Can anyone explain to me why a block of Colby cheese costs $9 and same brand of Vintage costs $16? It's $32/kg!!!
That's because 'Vintage' cheddar is deemed a specialty product for some odd reason. Pricing of that by major brands is actually way lower than an equivalent 'boutique' item.
Colby is shite that is very quickly produced and thrown on the shelf, much like 'Mild'. What they brand as 'Tasty' is marginally more expensive but costs more to produce (less water content, more storage time).
I get that there is then a big leap to what they call 'Vintage' that doesn't seem to equate to production cost but seeing as customers deem it to be in a different category to standard cheese they charge a premium price.I know that in the UK an equivalent product sits alongside 'standard' cheese and sells at half the NZ price per kg. However they also don't have a market of big 1kg blocks for people to compare against.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial it's weird. It's certainly a superior product, it's the stark difference in price leap compared to Aus that strikes me, for the exact same 2 products.
Absolutely. Our domestic market pays way more for some things.
I see a Mainland 18 month old cheddar on the Coles site for A$22/kg. As you say, same product here is NZ$36.That kind of pricing is indefensible except for the argument of market forces. If they sell the non-exported extra here in NZ that is the price point we, as consumers, seem willing to pay. Drop the price and demand might outstrip supply availability once export orders are filled.
I can't see why it matters to the producer if the same price comes from domestic or overseas market though.We do get fleeced on examples like this, but, to be honest I haven't noticed that we are overly expensive here when everything is put in the pot. But that may come from me being used to UK prices.
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Switching away from cheese for a bit, I thought this was fairly well put:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/04/guest_post_should_lockdown_end_early.html
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
We always notice when we come back. Can anyone explain to me why a block of Colby cheese costs $9 and same brand of Vintage costs $16? It's $32/kg!!!
from my experience booze is cheaper in NZ. So it's not all bad
I notice that when I go to Oz. We can buy Aussie wine cheaper at home
It's quite bizarre - Australian wine is cheaper in NZ than Australia, and NZ wine is cheaper in the UK than in NZ 🤷♂️
Someone's gouging then, because the Australian government loves taxing alcohol.
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Today was the worst I've seen. It seemed like every 'reporter' or 'journalist' there had the same question re David Clark, it was the only question they had gone in with, and they weren't satisfied until each and every one of these news hounds had asked it, or a very similar derivative of it. The PM trotted out pretty much exactly the same answer over, and over, and over. I'm not sure how many times she needed to say "He is paying a price for his actions, but we need his know-how whilst dealing with the pandemic", or something very similar. It was mind-numbingly hopeless journalistic tripe.
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NZ also has higher sales tax than Australia and it applies more widely (but our income tax rates are lower), so that will have an impact.
On my phone and can't remember where I read it, but tourism is about 10% of GDP, and NZ tourism overseas about half that, so an estimated impact could be 5% of GDP. If we can get the borders open to Australia, that would help a lot.
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@shark I think you are being totally unfair. Having been told about 20 times that Clark had been demoted to the lowest rank in Cabinet and only kept his job because of the situation, they then went to A-HA so do you think its right that Health is the lowest ranked portfolio in cabinet
They also went on and on about PPE again - effectively Bloomfield had to say very slowly as if talking to idiots There are plenty of swabs. There is no problem with the supply chain. If you are being told by people they have no swabs maybe those people should place an order before they run out.
Not the 4th Estates finest moments
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Toddy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bovidae did they name the players?
Mounga was one. It may be under essential services as I understand he was doing tackle practice
That's actually quite good.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Clark is a knob (what is it about Ministers of Health - Coleman was as bad?) but he couldn't face the press today because he was being grilled by the oversight Committee and looking quite ill on it too.
Health is a tough gig and tends to either make or break ministerial careers.
Another note on pricing - one could make a library of books just on that subject if one wishes...
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial Media probably getting frustrated as the Minister of Health he was avoiding the press. Not the best time to be doing that.
You know, the opposite of open and transparent.
He fronted on radio this morning and Hoskings absolutely roasted him. I'm not saying he shouldn't front again, but jeez, it's hard to send a guy over the top again when he's just had his head blown off.....
One of his questions was when the Minister arrived at the beach car park and there weren't any other vehicles there, didn't he consider he shoudn't be there? To which Clark said something along the lines of "I don't see how that's relevant; I've already admitted to making a mistake and I'm, paying for it". But Hosking being Hosking (and good on him in this instance because he's spot on), then said something like "It's relevant because it speaks to whether you're just dumb, or think you have a sense of entitlement which would allow you to go". Ouch.