Coronavirus - New Zealand



  • @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    18 year old in iso? yeah, he should be changing those sheets regularly

    At least they'll be crisp.





  • @taniwharugby I don't know why the fuck she or any of these other losers should get to leave town on bail. It will be interesting to see what kind of sentences they all get



  • @canefan that other guy didnt get bail, but I think he is still in his 14 days.

    I also wonder what charges the guy that is infected will get, hopefully no one has tested positive since then.

    They need to throw the book at the first few to discourage any more idiots.



  • @taniwharugby The guy that escaped in Hamilton is in Spring Hill prison doing his 14 days.

    They need to charge that muppet in Auckland too. I think the other guy at Waipuna Hotel could be playing the mental health card.



  • @Bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @taniwharugby The guy that escaped in Hamilton is in Spring Hill prison doing his 14 days.

    They need to charge that muppet in Auckland too. I think the other guy at Waipuna Hotel could be playing the mental health card.

    Didn't sound like he was playing with a full deck.





  • So today's new case is an arrival who tested negative on thier day 3 test but positive on thier day 12 test...



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    So today's new case is an arrival who tested negative on thier day 3 test but positive on thier day 12 test...

    Hence the reason for 2 tests...



  • @canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    So today's new case is an arrival who tested negative on thier day 3 test but positive on thier day 12 test...

    Hence the reason for 2 tests...

    ... and can share smoking areas with others in Managed Isolation ...



  • @nzzp are they still doing that? Was highlighted on TV1 News about a month ago as a risk area.



  • So I see the government is now talking about lockdown at a micro level being on the cards. Buildings, suburbs, towns, with police enforcing.

    While you can understand the sentiment, what it really does highlight is that there is zero desire to live with this thing. And that means until we have an effective border test, we will have quarantine facilities in place. It seems a very long away that we will see international visitors return.

    And if I get stuck down here again I'm going to throw all my toys out the fucking windows.



  • @voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    So I see the government is now talking about lockdown at a micro level being on the cards. Buildings, suburbs, towns, with police enforcing.

    While you can understand the sentiment, what it really does highlight is that there is zero desire to live with this thing. And that means until we have an effective border test, we will have quarantine facilities in place. It seems a very long away that we will see international visitors return.

    And if I get stuck down here again I'm going to throw all my toys out the fucking windows.

    astounding



  • @voodoo I was pissed when I read that. It helps no one, all it does is makes people worry again, makes them panic.

    If the Govt. has thier shit together in the isolation facilities, then really we should have no concerns about going back to lockdown



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    no concerns about going back to lockdown

    until when?



  • @mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    no concerns about going back to lockdown

    until when?

    AS LONG AS IT TAKES



  • @mariner4life tomorrow...fuck you fluffybunnies sort your shit out, til then anyway...

    Who knows, they need to be looking at a plan to open up (sure have contingencies for if we get an outbreak) and focussing on this more than telling people about possible lockdowns again.



  • I wonder how much guidance the Gov is giving business, particularly tourism exposed ones. Because you'd really be wanting to know whether you're weathering a temporary storm, or whether you're facing a completely different next few years. If the Gov is truly wedded to a global vaccine passport or on-the-spot border test (24hr Max turnaround), you'd be thinking permanent pivot in your business.

    I really hope there is more forward thinking and clear thought going on than what they're communicating to Joe public.



  • @voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    I wonder how much guidance the Gov is giving business, particularly tourism exposed ones. Because you'd really be wanting to know whether you're weathering a temporary storm, or whether you're facing a completely different next few years. If the Gov is truly wedded to a global vaccine passport or on-the-spot border test (24hr Max turnaround), you'd be thinking permanent pivot in your business.

    I really hope there is more forward thinking and clear thought going on than what they're communicating to Joe public.

    if it's anything like here, even our representative bodies are getting no more than the media, and we are working completely on crystal ball and hope



  • I think there's an assumption that despite whatever processes, people will be people and the virus may be back, e.g.: (https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/next-steps-covid-response)

    We only need to look to Victoria, New South Wales, Hong Kong, Singapore and Korea to see examples of other places that like us had the virus under control at a point in time only to see it emerge again.

    This does not mean anyone has failed- it means perfection in the response to a virus, and a pandemic, is just not possible. That is certainly the case as we see this pandemic continue to grow.

    Hurry up with that vaccine, rapid test, magic antiviral, or whatever...



  • @Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    I think there's an assumption that despite whatever processes, people will be people and the virus may be back, e.g.: (https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/next-steps-covid-response)

    We only need to look to Victoria, New South Wales, Hong Kong, Singapore and Korea to see examples of other places that like us had the virus under control at a point in time only to see it emerge again.

    This does not mean anyone has failed- it means perfection in the response to a virus, and a pandemic, is just not possible. That is certainly the case as we see this pandemic continue to grow.

    Hurry up with that vaccine, rapid test, magic antiviral, or whatever...

    But the difference here is the proposed response. They might assume it will come back, but the currently proposed response to that is to lockdown as necessary to re-eliminate it.

    How long can we do that for???



  • @Donsteppa ask the Chinese for thier vaccine...I mean the most populous country in the world where the virus supposedly originated seems to have a reasonable control on it...



  • @taniwharugby by some pretty severe city level lockdowns by all accounts.

    @voodoo rightly or wrongly that seems to be Victoria's approach too. Not sure about the others.

    No idea what the end game is, but some tough decisions lie ahead...



  • @Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    Hurry up with that vaccine, rapid test, magic antiviral, or whatever...

    Reports in Washington Post that a saliva test with result available within minutes is not far off. Test people before they board their final flight to NZ and again at immigration. Open up initially to specific countries.

    Apparently its not 100% accurate but if we could combine that with people actually tracking their contacts responsibly I think we might have a workable compromise



  • @dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    Hurry up with that vaccine, rapid test, magic antiviral, or whatever...

    Reports in Washington Post that a saliva test with result available within minutes is not far off. Test people before they board their final flight to NZ and again at immigration. Open up initially to specific countries.

    Apparently its not 100% accurate but if we could combine that with people actually tracking their contacts responsibly I think we might have a workable compromise

    Do you think contact tracking is realistic though? I'm in Wanaka at the moment, there is no way anyone is tracking customers through a restaurant, mountain Cafe, retail shop etc. I think that ship has well and truly sailed.



  • @voodoo I agree with you as things currently stand but if govt said to businesses you want us to open up the border then you have a fuck off QR Code on the door and you make sure everyone uses it.... maybe.

    I was using the tracker thing but got fucked off when I ended yup with five on my phone. Now I just pay for everything by EFTPOS and that'll capture 99% of my interactions



  • @dogmeat yeah maybe - I guess I just have doubts about the effectiveness of tracing in L1 conditions.

    Consider my day yesterday - by 8am I had brushed past (within 10cm or even proper physical contact ) at least 50 people in the base camp Cafe at Cardrona, which would have had at least 300ppl in it. I used a public bathroom, used the water filter. Each of those people went on to ride chairlifts all day, eat lunch somewhere, eat dinner somewhere else. I can't even begin to imagine how you'd trace all their movements.

    Same issue for someone who had ridden public transport in Auckland I'd imagine? 70ppl on a bus going their separate ways for the day in the CBD?

    Minefield.



  • I think the preparation of other options is mostly to show that some planning has been done in the event that there is a breach or someone tests negative but actually has it - if they didn't, the government would be excoriated if it flared up.



  • @Godder be nice to have a plan for the other side of it too...how we go about re-opening, even partially, what it could look like or what needs to happen for these things.

    Give people a glimmer of hope, rather than paint the shitty picture



  • @taniwharugby I believe the current thinking is around safe travel areas (aka shared bubbles), so as other countries eliminate Covid-19, they will come online and we will open up more. In the meantime, the drawbridge is up.



  • @Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @taniwharugby I believe the current thinking is around safe travel areas (aka shared bubbles), so as other countries eliminate Covid-19, they will come online and we will open up more. In the meantime, the drawbridge is up.

    This is it in a nutshell. That is why the Transtasman bubble just took a huge hit. The Pacific are the opposite problem, they don't have covid19 and we don't want to give it to them. The logistics are going to be major. I expect passengers travelling in the bubble cannot share any areas in the airport with incoming patients from outside the bubble or risk transmission



  • @Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @taniwharugby I believe the current thinking is around safe travel areas (aka shared bubbles), so as other countries eliminate Covid-19, they will come online and we will open up more. In the meantime, the drawbridge is up.

    What other countries are remotely close to, or even contemplating trying to eliminate Covid-19???!!!

    FFS, this sort of thinking will have NZ as an island (yeah, yeah) for years to come.



  • @Godder that might be the case, but they still need to give a bit of a plan...fuck we get a plan of being sent back to lock down that I expect sent a tremor of fear through many NZers (that I appreciate they need to have) but why not give some plans or thier thinking around how to re-open, what needs to happen, with who etc.

    Appreciate it is pie in the sky stuff while so much of the world is in the shitter, but people need something to look forward to in terms of our world returning to 'normal'

    or is thier plan keep our borders shut until a vaccine is available?



  • @voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @taniwharugby I believe the current thinking is around safe travel areas (aka shared bubbles), so as other countries eliminate Covid-19, they will come online and we will open up more. In the meantime, the drawbridge is up.

    What other countries are remotely close to, or even contemplating trying to eliminate Covid-19???!!!

    FFS, this sort of thinking will have NZ as an island (yeah, yeah) for years to come.

    Likely to be all the countries that don't bring a heck of a lot of $$$ to NZ I imagine. And like @canefan says, how safe can that be really anyway?



  • @voodoo yeah but current thinking is you have to be within a metre for 15 minutes to get infected.



  • @dogmeat how does that gel with the stories we hear of 1 person infecting 70 people in a 1 minute lift ride etc?

    1m distance sounds fair, but for 15mins? Seems arbitrary and odd?



  • @voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    @dogmeat how does that gel with the stories we hear of 1 person infecting 70 people in a 1 minute lift ride etc?

    1m distance sounds fair, but for 15mins? Seems arbitrary and odd?

    Apparently most people who have the virus aren't very contagious - that's why the R0 of Covid-19 is around 2-3 (Measles is usually cited as between 12 and 18, for comparison). However, some people are extremely contagious, super-spreaders basically (especially the asymptomatic ones), and they are the ones who cause massive clusters from small contacts.

    Hence NZ's caution - accidentally have a few of those get past quarantine, and we may have a lot of work to do to contain it again.

    Incidentally, the roadblock for the Pacific bubble is them as well as us - we need to remove the requirement for quarantine for people returning from the Pacific Islands (this is currently being explored for the Realm particularly), but the islands/Realm also need to open their borders to NZ citizens and residents.



  • What the fucking fuck is wrong with these fluffybunnies.

    If people can't stay in isolation for free, what hope is there for those expected to pay (will they have to pay before stay...)

    Seriously, the hammer needs to fall on these fluffybunnies as hard as our laws can, given a shoot on sight order cant be given.

    Shut the borders and name and shame these fluffybunnies so overseas kiwis know who to blame
    #notreallyserious
    #maybeweshould
    #whatelsetodo
    #absoluteshitcunts

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/122247176/police-hunt-quarantine-breakers-in-hamilton



  • If people can't behave like responsible adults it is time to lock the hotel doors for those muppets.



  • @taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

    If people can't stay in isolation for free, what hope is there for those expected to pay

    I reckon you're more likely to stay if you pay! Fuck forking out all that moolah and then not getting your money's worth.


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