Coronavirus - Australia
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@antipodean sounds like we manage similar works, my guys often travel more than 5km and working on early works infrastructure projects means "site" can be hard to define...we just have different reading of this, they say "work" is an exception, unless we find we're one of the projects "slowing" we'll be working to the letter of the rules as we have all along
I think trying to read meaning and nuance into things like this is what starts confusion, we're just following the bullet points
as for your last two points, maybe listen again, yes he said ultimately the police wont be fucking around...but in the first few days they will be more lenient and give direction where people are confused
good luck to you
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@MajorRage Victoria is in lockdown again because too many people did not do what was required in level 3. My brother in law has watched it all happen and is spewing. Thats what happens when government trust that their people will do the right thing
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when we went into lockdown there was confusion about the what jobs/services that were deemed essential, things mostly got ironed out, but the curfew thing does seem a bit arbitrary.
What they said at the time, for our lockdown to work, they needed something like 80% of people to do what they were being asked, but we werent in the state Victoria is right now, so I expect it will be a harder rood to recovery if they are to get it under control IF you use the NZ lockdown as a measure.
But as I have said since the start, just because it worked here, it wont necessarily work anywhere else, similarly while on the surface our handling seems to have been great, I thnk it is still too early to tell how successful our approach has and will be
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
And I'm not a 'let her rip' guy, but there are only 40 people in ICU at the moment with the virus. I'm unsure of the State's overall ICU capacity, but it would be in the hundreds. People are dying but it's very old people at the rate of about 7 a day.
Now this will obviously get a bit worse, but as it stands Victoria are still a long way from the UK or USA or Italy. And yet they've taken such a heavy approach to the situation. It's important to get on top of the virus, but a curfew is something I can't get on board with given the exact nature of what's happening there.
Really? Population of Melbourne is around 5mill, Victoria as a whole just under 7. Thats around 10% of the UK population. 500 new cases per day is 5000 equivalent, that's not far off the UK peak. Deaths are somewhat stronger, but I feel if I research that anymore I'll dive into a state of depression.
You can argue all you want about draconian rules / laws etc, but I assure you if you don't deal with this thing properly, its' going to fuck Victoria, and other parts of Australia for years. It will widen political divisions, it continue to flick government switches causing panic & the media will continue to plunder every single avenue they can without one fucking iota of care for the wellbeing of the people, and every care for their sales / clicks.
Lockdown. Accept It. Move on. Learn from the UK & the US.
I was more talking about deaths and hospital capacity. We are a long way from the Italian scenes of overflowing ICUs, makeshift hospitals etc. Only 40 in ICU at the moment.
And I certainly accept the need for a broad lockdown, and the stakes that we are dealing with here. I think a few elements of this particular lockdown may be counter-productive, especially the curfew.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian the curfew doesn't make sense. If you have a valid excuse why not be allowed to travel around after hours?
But also some people want to minimise their pandemic risk and do their shopping after hours when the supermarket is quieter. Or exercise after hours when the park is quieter.
Seems weird to force those people into riskier behaviour.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian the curfew doesn't make sense. If you have a valid excuse why not be allowed to travel around after hours?
But also some people want to minimise their pandemic risk and do their shopping after hours when the supermarket is quieter. Or exercise after hours when the park is quieter.
Seems weird to force those people into riskier behaviour.
For sure. When we were in lockdown I preferred to do the supermarket shop at odd times, like 8 or 9pm at night
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan although for a period ours started to close earlier and open later to allow staff more time to re-stock shelves.
Yup. I always waited until just before close or first thing to minimise traffic
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
as for your last two points, maybe listen again, yes he said ultimately the police wont be fucking around...but in the first few days they will be more lenient and give direction where people are confused
Read them again, he's saying two distinct contradictory things.
This from the same people that made a nonsense of what constituted prohibited activities the first time around.
I just hope this debacle ends quickly and with the minimum amount of pain for those of you in Victoria and we can go back to life as normal.
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The curfew just seems to make no sense and smacks of a govt who are panicked and want to look "decisive".
Same with the confusion over definitions etc. They act as though this has caught them on the hop and hasn't been escalating for a month.
It appears like every plan has been made in isolation from the others i.e. we will do this and we'll be right Oh Fuck and then they start planning what to do next rather than Plan A, B, C etc You can argue the pro's and cons of what happened in NZ but we did have a very simple easily understood plan laid out and that was a big part in getting the population to buy in. Sure there were inevitable issues but it all seemed very measured.
As opposed to
Good luck Victoria.
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as an indicator of how serious this is, it is expected 1 in 7 people in Victoria (or melbourne, i can't remember which) will be out of a job by next week.
This will be a bitter pill to swallow. Businesses that already got through 2 months of no turnover, then 2 months of limited turnover, now have to shut the doors again. The toll that will take on people will be enormous.
Also people can't exist on limited wages indefinitely. We're already at 4 months, Victorians will be for months and months after this.
And just to muddy the waters, the WHO have now come out and said there may never be a vaccine, ad certainly won't be a silver bullet vaccine that gets us all out of this. So how does that affect government thinking?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
the WHO have now come out and said there may never be a vaccine, ad certainly won't be a silver bullet vaccine that gets us all out of this. So how does that affect government thinking?
yep, governments need to be looking at a plan to live WITH the Virus.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
the WHO have now come out and said there may never be a vaccine, ad certainly won't be a silver bullet vaccine that gets us all out of this. So how does that affect government thinking?
yep, governments need to be looking at a plan to live WITH the Virus.
good luck changing that narrative in Australasia.
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@mariner4life or NZ, but it is a sad reality.
I think it is only a matter of time before it gets back out in NZ, we have been very lucky so far with the breaches we have had.
Maybe Govt's are banking on something being available by year end, if not, then re-evaluate?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life or NZ, but it is a sad reality.
I think it is only a matter of time before it gets back out in NZ, we have been very lucky so far with the breaches we have had.
Maybe Govt's are banking on something being available by year end, if not, then re-evaluate?
when's your election?
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@mariner4life September?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life at least the Highlanders are wi....oh...at least the swans are wi....never mind
I got a rare treble last weekend - Crusaders, Saints, Warriors - that latter is what makes it rare...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life September?
so i would imagine a change in tact in October then