Coronavirus - UK



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    @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

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    They should get the same as Cummings should, both from their political parties and the media. I hold out very little hope for either



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Does he not have a private support group in London? Does he not have access to high levels of care and medical support in the major city in the UK?

    I don't know about what access to care and family he had in London. He'd want to be with family (who are in Durham) as would anyone. It may have been a crap decision, but it's understandable

    I think what you are saying that as he's a Snr Advisor, he should have had access to and used facilities not available to Joe Public as he was a different case. But isn't the criticism against him that he saw himself different to Joe Public?

    His wife's sister lives two streets away by all accounts.

    She must be a really shit aunt for them to drive 260 miles instead of 260 yards.



  • @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Does he not have a private support group in London? Does he not have access to high levels of care and medical support in the major city in the UK?

    I don't know about what access to care and family he had in London. He'd want to be with family (who are in Durham) as would anyone. It may have been a crap decision, but it's understandable

    I think what you are saying that as he's a Snr Advisor, he should have had access to and used facilities not available to Joe Public as he was a different case. But isn't the criticism against him that he saw himself different to Joe Public?

    His wife's sister lives two streets away by all accounts.

    She must be a really shit aunt for them to drive 260 miles instead of 260 yards.

    I have a feeling my brother would sooner drive a couple of hours to in laws in Essex rather than 5 minutes to me.



  • @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    She must be a really shit aunt for them to drive 260 miles instead of 260 yards.

    With all due respect Mike, we don't know if she had Coronavirus or not, or whether she was able to care for the child

    You may be unaware, but It was reported this AM that his London-based uncle died of Coronavirus and another relative was poss. hospitalised - it may have been rife in the London-based family.



  • @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Does he not have a private support group in London? Does he not have access to high levels of care and medical support in the major city in the UK?

    I don't know about what access to care and family he had in London. He'd want to be with family (who are in Durham) as would anyone. It may have been a crap decision, but it's understandable

    I think what you are saying that as he's a Snr Advisor, he should have had access to and used facilities not available to Joe Public as he was a different case. But isn't the criticism against him that he saw himself different to Joe Public?

    His wife's sister lives two streets away by all accounts.

    She must be a really shit aunt for them to drive 260 miles instead of 260 yards.

    I have a feeling my brother would sooner drive a couple of hours to in laws in Essex rather than 5 minutes to me.

    Perhaps if you offered him a beer occasionally? Not every time he comes round of course.



  • @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Does he not have a private support group in London? Does he not have access to high levels of care and medical support in the major city in the UK?

    I don't know about what access to care and family he had in London. He'd want to be with family (who are in Durham) as would anyone. It may have been a crap decision, but it's understandable

    I think what you are saying that as he's a Snr Advisor, he should have had access to and used facilities not available to Joe Public as he was a different case. But isn't the criticism against him that he saw himself different to Joe Public?

    His wife's sister lives two streets away by all accounts.

    She must be a really shit aunt for them to drive 260 miles instead of 260 yards.

    I have a feeling my brother would sooner drive a couple of hours to in laws in Essex rather than 5 minutes to me.

    Perhaps if you offered him a beer occasionally? Not every time he comes round of course.

    He can go to Essex.



  • Right. I've just had a Coronavirus test. Had flu-like symptoms and a dryish cough for a few days. Here's the detail.

    BOOKING

    Go online and enter your name and mobile number. You then get a SMS after 5 minutes which gives you a secure link.

    Access that link, you enter personal details & your NHS number. Once you do that you get a choice of testing stations and times. Choose your appointment and you get sent an SMS and/or email with details and a QR code. You can get a test the same day in 30 minutes slots or the next day with 5 minutes slots. I booked a place 20 miles away

    THE TEST

    You arrive at the testing station, your QR code is scanned and you get directed to a reception area where your details are confirmed and then you head-off to the test area. Not as bad as has been suggested. I coughed a bit with the throat swab and the nostril swab was fine - hardly noticed it. You then leave and get the YES/NO test in 48-72 hrs via email/SMS

    The whole thing was very simple, easy and slick - someone's done a bloody good job with this. Place was virtually empty and the Tester told me they were running at 10-15% capacity.



  • @Victor-Meldrew That ties in with the tests that Mrs C and Ms Cato No1 took down here. Ms Cato No2 had hers done in Hereford and whilst the test itself went as described the time taken for the result and the unclear outcome were not inspiring. I guess the time factor will be impacted by how busy they are.

    Sadly for the Cato family they cannot test for hypochondria at the same time.



  • @Catogrande

    Have heard thru the medical mafia grapevine that the NHS-run labs can have the worst delays. Poss. as they are dealing with greater variations in testing volumes (or because it's NHS-run....).

    One I went to was run by Serco & Boots



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    She must be a really shit aunt for them to drive 260 miles instead of 260 yards.

    With all due respect Mike, we don't know if she had Coronavirus or not, or whether she was able to care for the child

    You may be unaware, but It was reported this AM that his London-based uncle died of Coronavirus and another relative was poss. hospitalised - it may have been rife in the London-based family.

    You're absolutely right.

    And Cummings himself or Johnson informing us of this 'possible' situation necessitating the journey to Durham would have nipped this in the bud.

    But they didn't, possibly because they couldn't, and this is where we are.



  • He's live

    No regrets, no apology.

    Can I clarify one thing that I couldn't quite get from his press conference.

    Drove to parent's farm in Durham.

    Had no physical contact with anyone except his wife and child.

    So what was the point of driving all that way when they could have done exactly the same in their own home in London?



  • @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    He's live

    No regrets, no apology.

    Can I clarify one thing that I couldn't quite get from his press conference.

    Drove to parent's farm in Durham.

    Had no physical contact with anyone except his wife and child.

    So what was the point of driving all that way when they could have done exactly the same in their own home in London?

    The ability to have food and essential supplies delivered?

    So far (15 behind) seems he did not break the rules, even if what he did was outside many people's interpretation of what they meant.



  • Circus. What a fucken pointless waste of time. What on earth did they hope to achieve from that? No way in hell that was going to change anyone's mind or help in anyway.



  • @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Circus. What a fucken pointless waste of time. What on earth did they hope to achieve from that? No way in hell that was going to change anyone's mind or help in anyway.

    Keep calm and Carry on?



  • @pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Circus. What a fucken pointless waste of time. What on earth did they hope to achieve from that? No way in hell that was going to change anyone's mind or help in anyway.

    Keep calm and Carry on?

    Fire up and cry over spilt milk.

    I'm still waiting for the media to take up my campaign against people with pools. It's just not fair! I can't swim godammit!



  • @pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    He's live

    No regrets, no apology.

    Can I clarify one thing that I couldn't quite get from his press conference.

    Drove to parent's farm in Durham.

    Had no physical contact with anyone except his wife and child.

    So what was the point of driving all that way when they could have done exactly the same in their own home in London?

    The ability to have food and essential supplies delivered?

    So far (15 behind) seems he did not break the rules, even if what he did was outside many people's interpretation of what they meant.

    And if the shit hit the fan and both he and his wife became incapacitated then two young family members (nieces aged 17 and 20 I think) were on hand to take care of their 4-year old child.

    Two questions which weren't asked which I'd love to hear the answers to

    1. You've told us you took expert medical opinion to determine whether you were fit to return to London to work. Why didn't you take expert medical opinion to determine whether it was safe & prudent to travel to Durham?

    2. Did you take a non-essential car journey during your time away from London? Simple yes, no answer.



  • @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    He's live

    No regrets, no apology.

    Can I clarify one thing that I couldn't quite get from his press conference.

    Drove to parent's farm in Durham.

    Had no physical contact with anyone except his wife and child.

    So what was the point of driving all that way when they could have done exactly the same in their own home in London?

    The ability to have food and essential supplies delivered?

    So far (15 behind) seems he did not break the rules, even if what he did was outside many people's interpretation of what they meant.

    And if the shit hit the fan and both he and his wife became incapacitated then two young family members (nieces aged 17 and 20 I think) were on hand to take care of their 4-year old child.

    Two questions which weren't asked which I'd love to hear the answers to

    1. You've told us you took expert medical opinion to determine whether you were fit to return to London to work. Why didn't you take expert medical opinion to determine whether it was safe & prudent to travel to Durham?

    2. Did you take a non-essential car journey during your time away from London? Simple yes, no answer.

    Ever consider a career in journalism -- you'd walk into a job in UK?!



  • @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    So what was the point of driving all that way when they could have done exactly the same in their own home in London?

    So he had child care available and could also be away from his London residence where demonstrators were targeting him and his family (he was receiving death threats)



  • @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Circus. What a fucken pointless waste of time. What on earth did they hope to achieve from that? No way in hell that was going to change anyone's mind or help in anyway.

    They're in a big hole.

    Pretty clear this wouldn't be the clusterfuck if a statement with the facts had gone out 48 hours ago



  • @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Why didn't you take expert medical opinion to determine whether it was safe & prudent to travel to Durham?

    He planned to drop his family off in Durham and then return to London. He got ill once he got there

    Did you take a non-essential car journey during your time away from London? Simple yes, no answer.

    He said he took a 20 minutes drive to see if he was capable of driving with his eyesight. Perhaps he should have driven to a ophthalmologist instead, but most have closed.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Circus. What a fucken pointless waste of time. What on earth did they hope to achieve from that? No way in hell that was going to change anyone's mind or help in anyway.

    They're in a big hole.

    Pretty clear this wouldn't be the clusterfuck if a statement with the facts had gone out 48 hours ago

    It really doesn't fucken matter eh. But sadly, yeah you're right.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    So what was the point of driving all that way when they could have done exactly the same in their own home in London?

    So he had child care available and could also be away from his London residence where demonstrators were targeting him and his family (he was receiving death threats)

    Time to take off again then.

    Lots more now.



  • Boris's media front up had car crash written all over it. Reason? Cummings.

    We have better things to sort out. Sack the fucker and get on with sorting out the country.



  • @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Boris's media front up had car crash written all over it. Reason? Cummings.

    We have better things to sort out. Sack the fucker and get on with sorting out the country.

    Too late now. Damage has been done.

    He's ignoring the first thing and moving onto the second



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:

    Boris's media front up had car crash written all over it. Reason? Cummings.

    We have better things to sort out. Sack the fucker and get on with sorting out the country.

    Too late now. Damage has been done.

    He's ignoring the first thing and moving onto the second

    There’s a part of me that wants that to succeed, because we need some go forward, but another part that thinks he needs to address the issue. Plus I really don’t like Cummings. Of course this may cloud my judgment, but ..



  • The devil isn't in the detail here it is solely in the perception.

    It very much looks like that was his preferred solution, not his only one, and many other people held fast and did not stretch the boundaries because it simply suited them better.

    He needs to apologise at least to everyone who didn't travel to visit family after a death or also had 'complicated' situations that they found the less preferable option to take.

    Boris has painted himself in a corner here and is taking the 'double down' approach. This could really come back to bite him in the future.

    In sports terms this is like an underarm bowl. Technically correct but 'not cricket'



  • Anybody notice the media scrum not observing social distancing?
    The very accusation they've levelled at Cummings?πŸ™‚
    The media just love winding people up.



  • @Siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

    Anybody notice the media scrum not observing social distancing?
    The very accusation they've levelled at Cummings?πŸ™‚
    The media just love winding people up.

    I haven't seen them accusing Cummings of not social distancing, or if they have it is as an aside to him travelling around the country when people were asked not to.

    He hasn't committed any great crime worthy of lynching, but in the eyes of many he looks self-entitled and justifying at a time when they have made sacrifices.

    I described early on in another thread how a friend of mine over there had lost their father and the situation was may more 'complicated' than Cummings. His mother had to grieve alone. No visits from family to comfort her, was suffering the anguish that goes along with losing your partner of 40 odd years. Had a strong family support network that stayed at home, including her daughters. This was all because they followed the 'stay at home' instruction that Cummings thought had a low threshold of personal importance.
    This friend of mine is understandably livid at the bloke, and at Boris for supporting him. He won't be the only one.

    That's not the press winding people up.That is the press seeking an apology on their behalf.



  • @Crucial yep fair enough. The juxtaposition of him breaking lockdown laws and them breaking lockdown laws just seems incongruous. That media scrum involved more transmission potential than him in a car.



  • The thing that irks me about this as someone who works in politics is that he is an advisor, not an MP.

    One of the golden rules of political advisory is you never become the story. You don't appear in the story, you don't give quotes, you are a ghost. As soon as you break that rule you should probably resign.

    At this point in the story, it's not really relevant if he broke rules or not. He's a distraction and if I were him I'd have handed in my notice three days ago.



  • @barbarian mate it's a bit late for that. This is him.

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  • Jesus wept



  • @barbarian said in Coronavirus - UK:

    Jesus wept

    Hence the hatred of him. A lot of people just absolutely can't stand him.



  • @Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:

    @Siam said in Coronavirus - UK:

    Anybody notice the media scrum not observing social distancing?
    The very accusation they've levelled at Cummings?πŸ™‚
    The media just love winding people up.

    I haven't seen them accusing Cummings of not social distancing, or if they have it is as an aside to him travelling around the country when people were asked not to.

    He hasn't committed any great crime worthy of lynching, but in the eyes of many he looks self-entitled and justifying at a time when they have made sacrifices.

    I described early on in another thread how a friend of mine over there had lost their father and the situation was may more 'complicated' than Cummings. His mother had to grieve alone. No visits from family to comfort her, was suffering the anguish that goes along with losing your partner of 40 odd years. Had a strong family support network that stayed at home, including her daughters. This was all because they followed the 'stay at home' instruction that Cummings thought had a low threshold of personal importance.
    This friend of mine is understandably livid at the bloke, and at Boris for supporting him. He won't be the only one.

    That's not the press winding people up.That is the press seeking an apology on their behalf.

    That very sad story hits the whole issue firmly on the head.



  • @Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:

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    @Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:

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    They should get the same as Cummings should, both from their political parties and the media. I hold out very little hope for either

    100%

    I wrote on my Labour supporting mate's Facebook post that Starmer would fire Cummings if he was PM, but he isn't, so he can't.

    But he is Labour Party Leader and can fire the first two - not sure about Gething - but hasn't.

    Tumbleweed.



  • Mate just messaged me this

    VE day = virus exchange day



  • @Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:

    It very much looks like that was his preferred solution, not his only one, and many other people held fast and did not stretch the boundaries because it simply suited them better.

    I get your point, but it's pure surmise he had other options. (see my final point)

    He needs to apologise at least to everyone who didn't travel to visit family after a death or also had 'complicated' situations that they found the less preferable option to take.

    Sorry, don't understand this. Are you saying he should apologise because he was in a better position to look after his kid ?

    Boris has painted himself in a corner here and is taking the 'double down' approach. This could really come back to bite him in the future.

    It's a disaster for BoJo and biting him right now. This has been handled so badly, it beggars belief. The press were pushing a story full of holes and they almost shrugged their shoulders.

    But worse thing for me is the lack of thought or support given to Downing St staff when they were in bad personal situation. Did no-one ring Cummings and offer support or think of how it would look?



  • @Victor-Meldrew as per my post. It is about the optics far more than the details.

    The story about a 30 mile drive to test your eyes is only made more farcical but him expecting that it could be sold. Does he really think the public is that gullible.
    To your point, do the party media advisors think that story was saleable?



  • @barbarian said in Coronavirus - UK:

    At this point in the story, it's not really relevant if he broke rules or not. He's a distraction and if I were him I'd have handed in my notice three days ago.

    Having watched Cummings yesterday, I have a lot of sympathy for him. Came across as genuine.

    I'd resign for the lack of support from his employer when he & his family were ill - and demand an apology for that.



  • @Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:

    But worse thing for me is the lack of thought or support given to Downing St staff when they were in bad personal situation. Did no-one ring Cummings and offer support or think of how it would look?

    Comedy Gold πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

    It's obvious to the blind let alone the myopic - or those self-diagnosing via automobile - that Cummings doesn't take calls, he makes them.

    He doesn't listen or answer to anyone at Downing St.


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