Black Lives Matter



  • I can't help but think the cop's knee on his neck for 8 minutes might have contributed to his death. It was no shot in the head, but come on



  • @canefan agree it could, but I ain't no coroner or even a layman on what causes death by asphyxiation.

    He complained of not being able to breathe more times while unrestrained than on the ground🤔

    And if he had covid....



  • @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:

    @canefan agree it could, but I ain't no coroner or even a layman on what causes death by asphyxiation.

    He complained of not being able to breathe more times while unrestrained than on the ground🤔

    I'm going to stick my neck out here (unfortunate phrase), and contrary to some people's opinions, I have never suffocated anyone but, yeah, kneeling on someone's throat is likely to have consequences. Not a big believer in that sort of coincidence myself.

    He wasn't going to die in those 8 minutes otherwise, would be my assumption.



  • @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:

    @canefan agree it could, but I ain't no coroner or even a layman on what causes death by asphyxiation.

    He complained of not being able to breathe more times while unrestrained than on the ground🤔

    And if he had covid....

    The bolded statements are related. Then he went quiet and the officer stayed on him. You can make someone unconscious in less than a minute by cutting off their air supply. After that the person can die within minutes if air supply and breathing is not restored. Basically if a person stops breathing their chance of survival of a cardiac event drops 10% every minute. 8 minutes is plenty to render a person in poor shape



  • @canefan said in Black Lives Matter:

    what causes death by asphyxiation.

    This is terrible, but I laughed. Kneeling on someones throat should do it.



  • @Snowy and 100% fair enough mate.

    Unfortunately or fortunately, we have to get right into the weeds on this one and examine everything including the amount of pressure the cop was exerting and if, when agreeing to Floyd's request to be put on the ground the officer was restraining him with an (at the time) officially sanctioned police restrainment technique.

    The video before is the puzzling thing. There has been a lot of stock invested in the brutal, intentional murder narrative.

    But whatever, it's all a bit irrelevant now as blm has become a thing and as vague as its goals and objectives are, the justification of the 2020 resurrection of BLM similarly seems to not matter so much either.

    Wonder what 2024 will look like🙂



  • @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:

    we have to get right into the weeds on this one and examine everything including the amount of pressure the cop was exerting and if, when agreeing to Floyd's request to be put on the ground the officer was restraining him with an (at the time) officially sanctioned police restrainment technique.

    The former we will never know, the latter will come out I guess as a police restraint technique.

    They probably got that one wrong, given that he died.



  • @Snowy I think strangulation leaves marks and apparently most states "adjusted" the kneeling restraint technique🙂

    To be clear, I don't have a preference for murder or just police procedure (I guess the 2 outcome extremes)
    If he's guilty punish him as an individual, if not guilty, well that's the justice system, fix it if need be.

    But it's not indicative of other police officers

    But the shocking part of all of this for me is seeing how easily our empathy instincts can be manipulated by modern media, and then spread worldwide. How quickly we made most US cops be versions of Derek Chauvin and how inherently that distortion engulfed and came to represent all policing.

    And then the corporate and international support and is it all about US police brutality and is this the prime example of white supremacy? I suppose so.



  • @barbarian Resisting arrest 100% comes in to play. If the police are picking you up because of a warrant for rape, from the home of a rape victim that also comes into play, as does knowing someone is a violent felon especially with a history of armed assault . Unsurprisingly the fella who died over the weekend resulting in the Lancaster, Pennsylvania riots was attacking a police officer with a knife and has a history of 4 previous stabbings..the police called to help from a women whom the dead fella was abusing. That's all pretty different than 'Avi is a bit mean to people that he interviews'

    Although I try to avoid it I still get the nauseating mainstream news coverage painting George Floyd and Jacob who-gives-a-fuck as some sort of saintly figures without even mentioning the full known circumstances such as 911 call, reason for the warrant leading to arrest, video footage showing a more complete and potentially complex picture. Media is no longer about informing its about telling you how to feel and the end result is mayhem on the streets and actual innocent lives ruined.

    Can you give me an example of a black man brutally gunned down by police who wasn't resisting arrest or even fighting with police? Absolute genuine question. I can give a few white guys but they don't count for some reason.



  • @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:

    But it's not indicative of other police officers

    Absolutely not. There will be plenty of good guys. How the other officers didn't respond is beyond me. One was Chinese heritage, one other mixed (Mexican?) race. I can't remember because it it isn't about race to me.

    Police brutality, procedures and where that ends? Good place to start? I also have massive support for the police, it is a tough job, and the lines are blurred how far they go - but killing people? That's pushing it.



  • Random thought: is the best analogy of Black Lives Matter the Greens political party? A fine premise but goes a bit haywire on execution and reasonable solutions.



  • @Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:

    @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
    How the other officers didn't respond is beyond me. One was Chinese heritage, one other mixed (Mexican?) race. I can't remember because it it isn't about race to me.

    My memory tells me the other officers were very junior in service. Police forces around the world are very aware of the reluctance of junior officers to intervene when a senior officer is perceived to be overstepping the mark. There is now quite a bit of education around this, highlighting that if something goes wrong and you do nothing to intervene you are just as culpable. It still takes balls to step in though. Police can be very brutal towards their own.



  • @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:

    Random thought: is the best analogy of Black Lives Matter the Greens political party? A fine premise but goes a bit haywire on execution and reasonable solutions.

    Decent. Great idea (environment) hijacked by not entirely related agenda (socialism)



  • @Crazy-Horse said in Black Lives Matter:

    @Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:

    @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
    How the other officers didn't respond is beyond me. One was Chinese heritage, one other mixed (Mexican?) race. I can't remember because it it isn't about race to me.

    My memory tells me the other officers were very junior in service. Police forces around the world are very aware of the reluctance of junior officers to intervene when a senior officer is perceived to be overstepping the mark. There is now quite a bit of education around this, highlighting that if something goes wrong and you do nothing to intervene you are just as culpable. It still takes balls to step in though. Police can be very brutal towards their own.

    Is there anything in police regs around an obligation to assist? I mean, we can argue the different autopsy reports to ascertain whether this was murder or manslaughter or neither, but is there some lesser charge around forcibly detaining while not helping someone clearly in distress? Appreciate it could be very different in the States (and State by State).

    Its kind like dying from choking on a chicken wing you ate voluntarily while someone pins you down instead of whacking you on the back. Technically you died from self-inflicted wounds, but the fella sitting on you sure didn't help matters...



  • @voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:

    @Crazy-Horse said in Black Lives Matter:

    @Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:

    @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
    How the other officers didn't respond is beyond me. One was Chinese heritage, one other mixed (Mexican?) race. I can't remember because it it isn't about race to me.

    My memory tells me the other officers were very junior in service. Police forces around the world are very aware of the reluctance of junior officers to intervene when a senior officer is perceived to be overstepping the mark. There is now quite a bit of education around this, highlighting that if something goes wrong and you do nothing to intervene you are just as culpable. It still takes balls to step in though. Police can be very brutal towards their own.

    Is there anything in police regs around an obligation to assist? I mean, we can argue the different autopsy reports to ascertain whether this was murder or manslaughter or neither, but is there some lesser charge around forcibly detaining while not helping someone clearly in distress? Appreciate it could be very different in the States (and State by State).

    Its kind like dying from choking on a chicken wing you ate voluntarily while someone pins you down instead of whacking you on the back. Technically you died from self-inflicted wounds, but the fella sitting on you sure didn't help matters...

    Yes police are obligated to assist. I would imagine the obligation is worldwide, at least in the western world. We are getting trained more in tactical first aid. For example, it used to be 'acceptable' assistance for police to just call for an ambulance after they shot someone. We were not trained to do anything further. Now police are obligated to render first aid by plugging holes and applying tourniquets etc following a shooting.

    We are also trained to monitor people closely following restraint, especially following a struggle. One of the first things we are expected to do once someone is under control is to at least put them in the recovery position and monitor breathing. Lying on top of someone for a prolonged time following a struggle can cause them life threatening problems, especially if they are under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or have an underlying health issue.



  • @Crazy-Horse thanks for that



  • @Crazy-Horse said in Black Lives Matter:

    @Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:

    @Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
    How the other officers didn't respond is beyond me. One was Chinese heritage, one other mixed (Mexican?) race. I can't remember because it it isn't about race to me.

    My memory tells me the other officers were very junior in service. Police forces around the world are very aware of the reluctance of junior officers to intervene when a senior officer is perceived to be overstepping the mark. There is now quite a bit of education around this, highlighting that if something goes wrong and you do nothing to intervene you are just as culpable. It still takes balls to step in though. Police can be very brutal towards their own.

    Yep. Hierarchies. Authority figures.
    Exactly the same on a flight deck, there have been examples where a first officer didn't say anything and ended up dead, along with everybody else.

    Never question the Captain mentality, and is flat out wrong. Cockpit gradient it is called for us, and yes it is being trained out of both Captains and every other pilot. Cultural too, it is stronger in Asian areas (Korean Airlines had a huge problem with it and got some Americans in to "re-educate"). Successfully I think. It was after the Guam crash. A couple of hundred dead and the flight engineer knew it was going to happen, spoke up but the Captain wouldn't listen.

    Not been such a problem in NZ, Aus, our guys speak up as a rule and the Captains are more aware of how they can miss things that somebody else has seen. Your biggest asset as a Captain is your crew. They will save your bacon, and everybody knows how much I love bacon.

    Good to hear that it is being taught in the police as well (not the bacon bit).



  • @Snowy yeah I thought about the flight deck as I typed. I recall seeing an Air Crash Investigation episode where they put the crash down to that.



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  • 'A black teenager who was killed by police'

    or with more of that pesky context

    'A black teenager who only minutes before taken part in a drive-by shooting against another black youth then upon being pulled up by police in the identified vehicle resisted arrest and was shot'

    Sad but hardly a martyr worth protesting over unless you believe police should just let armed murderers choose to avoid arrest if they want (and potentially shoot police in the process)



  • https://stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300110004/former-us-police-officer-who-shot-at-dog-but-killed-woman-charged

    Cop shoots at dog and kills lady in the crossfire. I mean what the fuck is wrong with these guys? Its not the movies, bystanders get shot!



  • It seems clear that for some at least, BLM is about opportunities to start arguments with random people about anything at all, so long as you can tie it in some way to the concept that a black person could have died.

    This woman is taking a shop worker to task because in catching two shoplifters who happened to be black, the police could have come and shot at these shoplifters and they could have been killed. It appears it is the responsibility of everybody never to call the police if the perpetrator of a crime is black.

    I can imagine the endless satisfaction of the woman who filmed this, basking in the acclaim of her friends. If she can save just one life, it will all have been worth it!



  • @JC My favourite part.
    Crazy lady : "Just listen to yourself you work with black folks"

    What is it with these liberal types thinking black people are innately criminal and as such being against crime is racist?

    I'd be pretty sure his black colleagues are against folk shoplifting in the store regardless of colour.





  • @JC said in Black Lives Matter:

    It seems clear that for some at least, BLM is about opportunities to start arguments with random people about anything at all, so long as you can tie it in some way to the concept that a black person could have died.

    This woman is taking a shop worker to task because in catching two shoplifters who happened to be black, the police could have come and shot at these shoplifters and they could have been killed. It appears it is the responsibility of everybody never to call the police if the perpetrator of a crime is black.

    I can imagine the endless satisfaction of the woman who filmed this, basking in the acclaim of her friends. If she can save just one life, it will all have been worth it!

    Why the fuck do these morons with phones think they have the right to do this? I hope she gets taken apart on whatever social media she shares that on. And I hope the kid gets a promotion for doing everything right



  • @JC said in Black Lives Matter:

    It seems clear that for some at least, BLM is about opportunities to start arguments with random people about anything at all, so long as you can tie it in some way to the concept that a black person could have died.

    This woman is taking a shop worker to task because in catching two shoplifters who happened to be black, the police could have come and shot at these shoplifters and they could have been killed. It appears it is the responsibility of everybody never to call the police if the perpetrator of a crime is black.

    I can imagine the endless satisfaction of the woman who filmed this, basking in the acclaim of her friends. If she can save just one life, it will all have been worth it!

    I would have told her to mind her own business when she asked her first question.



  • My bullshitometer has gone off.

    I'm not taking that at face value.



  • @booboo said in Black Lives Matter:

    My bullshitometer has gone off.

    I'm not taking that at face value.

    On who?



  • @MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:

    @booboo said in Black Lives Matter:

    My bullshitometer has gone off.

    I'm not taking that at face value.

    On who?

    I've seen some crap from BLM sympathisers and I think The Cause is generally genuine bulshit.

    But I just get the feeling that this is so ridiculous that I'm suspicious of a set up.



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  • @booboo on reflection, you may be right. It certainly was ludicrous.



  • @JC why would he even engage with her?



  • She's a BLM activist by the name Charity Sadé. Her social media has now gone offline which suggests it isnt a publicity stunt.



  • Finally some honesty from this cause



  • Behold the AWFL in all its horror:



  • Almost a Cum Town bit.



  • @kiwiinmelb said in Black Lives Matter:

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    As much as I get the cartoon, who stole music????



  • @Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:

    She's a BLM activist by the name Charity Sadé. Her social media has now gone offline which suggests it isnt a publicity stunt.

    That name alone suggests a prank



  • @MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:

    @kiwiinmelb said in Black Lives Matter:

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    As much as I get the cartoon, who stole music????

    the 50s rock 'n rollers



  • @MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:

    @MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:

    @kiwiinmelb said in Black Lives Matter:

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    As much as I get the cartoon, who stole music????

    the 50s rock 'n rollers

    Stole it? How do you steal it?


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