Hurricanes v Crusaders
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Hurricanes
2.80Crusaders
1.40I assume the Hurricanes fans want to see some selection changes?
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sad that it took a rusted on Blues fan to start a thread.
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
sad that it took a rusted on Blues fan to start a thread.
I blame @Stargazer
Surely he should be talking up some Hawkes player as the saviour??
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Surely Aride comes in at 8. Who plays 6 - Evans or Prinsep?
I know Prinsep isn't popular on TSF but he got through more work than Evans who was really ineffective last week
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@Duluth You've got all of the bait out to catch an astronomer today.
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surely last weekend wasn't enough to crush the spirit of our wildly optimistic Canes fans?
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I would never stoop to that level
I do think Prinsep performed better than Evans though. Maybe Evans deserves the start based on history, but I think the Canes should pick the guy in better form.
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Surely Aride comes in at 8. Who plays 6 - Evans or Prinsep?
I know Prinsep isn't popular on TSF but he got through more work than Evans who was really ineffective last week
The Canes supporters know what the result is going to be before the game kicks off.
We have the worst most incompetent coaches in our history. Our head coach is even worse than Hammett. At least he wasn't as stupid to select a 1.90 lock. With limited skills apart from his lack of height. And a 6 that should only ever be played with serious injury issues
And his assistant are not up to much either. So these clowns in charge of the Canes will select the wrong players again, coach these players poorly with a limited game plan so the result is inevitable. Only injuries might save them from finishing bottom in this new competition. That is Blackwell and Prinsep are both injured (essential). And Jordie must come back (also essential). Tiatia is another limited player who offers SFA (there are other options but these clown coaches won't make them). Jordie transforms the back line so with him there it covers up the one dimensional limitation from the likes of Laumape. And with the clown coaches in charge his game is unlikely to improve
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It's not in doubt who is going to win this match but how much the Crusaders are going to win by.
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@Winger delete Canes, replace with Blues, it's pretty familiar
Welcome to our world of the last few years. It sucks. No-one has a monopoly on competence, we should expect every franchise to be well run and effective (noting you won't always win) -
@nzzp said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Winger delete Canes, replace with Blues, it's pretty familiar
Welcome to our world of the last few years. It sucks. No-one has a monopoly on competence, we should expect every franchise to be well run and effective (noting you won't always win)Thank God the Blues have finally sorted things out. It seems to have happened after Board and management changes. And that's where it needs to start with the Canes.
Otherwise we will be lucky to hold onto Jordie. Or a great first 5.
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@Winger said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Winger delete Canes, replace with Blues, it's pretty familiar
Welcome to our world of the last few years. It sucks. No-one has a monopoly on competence, we should expect every franchise to be well run and effective (noting you won't always win)Thank God the Blues have finally sorted things out. It seems to have happened after Board and management changes. And that's where it needs to start with the Canes.
Otherwise we will be lucky to hold onto Jordie. Or a great first 5.
You guys have been the production line of 10s.
Cruden
Barrett
Black
SopoagaRemarkable-and none are playing for you! Crazy times
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@Winger said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
We have the worst most incompetent coaches in our history.
Does that make them competent, or just not as incompetent as the incompetent coaches of the past?
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@nzzp Ooo, that's cruel. They didn't have a decent one for many years, now they just can't keep them.
I have friends who have the same problem with wives.
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Too many of the same old faces in the Canes coaching staff. We really need a complete cleanout. Dan Cron has been there for far too long, Cory Jane needs to leave the environment to get a different perspective on coaching, Jason Holland is an assistant coach at best and I think the CEO needs to show some leadership. Has anyone heard from him this year?
I believe we have the makings of a strong pack but I still think the core of that group is still a year or so from hitting their stride i.e. Fidow, Walker-Leawere, Aumua, Lomax, Numia, Rakete-Stones etc.
If we can get Otere Black back, keep Jordie, entice that 2m 120kg SA lock to finally come over, and stop making pathetic selection decisions (case in point with Blackwell at lock and Prinsep even starting), then we have the bones of a quality team when you run through the spine.
Alot happens in a year, or even a month. Just ask Blues fans.
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Surely Aride comes in at 8. Who plays 6 - Evans or Prinsep?
I know Prinsep isn't popular on TSF but he got through more work than Evans who was really ineffective last week
Canes really need a VG lineout option at 6 if they have Kirifi at 7 and Savea at 8. The best by far of the alternatives is Fifita. But hes lacks discipline. But thats who I would play if they go for the Savea Kirifi option. A last chance to see if he can maintain his discipline . Another alternative is Savea at 7, Evans at 8 and Fifita at 6. Evans and Savea could alternate. An alternative is Flanders at 6 and Fifita and Scrafton starting at lock
There are a number of possibilities but none include Blackwell or Prinsep
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
If we can get Otere Black back
He is still contracted to the Blues next year
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Alot happens in a year, or even a month. Just ask Blues fans.
This has been minimum 2 years in the making. The results are just the outcome of lots of hard work behind the scenes.
It's really weird; there's a strong relationship between the front office and the on field quality. It shouldn't make sense, but it does.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Jason Holland is an assistant coach at best and I think the CEO needs to show some leadership. Has anyone heard from him this year?
I don't even rate him as an assistant coach. He was the Canes attack coach and the attack slowly went back after he was appointed (even though we won in his first year from memory. But the year before was the better side and ended up as the top finisher but then played like crap in the final). Barrett's game esp went to the pack at first after he arrived
Why they appointed him head coach as they did is beyond me. It should have been a temporary appointment for 1 year only and then the job advertised when the year was finished
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Fifita is worse than Blackwell.
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Beauden has made the Canes look a lot better than they are the last few years. Losing him really, really hurts.
That said, looking forward to the match and hoping we can give the cheats from down south a run for their money. Would like to see us throw it around a bit and try to throw caution to the wind, as we sure as shit are not going to be able to grind them down. Just not sure we have the backline to do it anymore.
Oh and TJP just needs to shut the fuck up and play. Seriously, he's one of the more gifted halfbacks I've ever seen but just does not seem to be able to control his emotions.
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@Winger said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Surely Aride comes in at 8. Who plays 6 - Evans or Prinsep?
I know Prinsep isn't popular on TSF but he got through more work than Evans who was really ineffective last week
Canes really need a VG lineout option at 6 if they have Kirifi at 7 and Savea at 8. The best by far of the alternatives is Fifita. But hes lacks discipline. But thats who I would play if they go for the Savea Kirifi option. A last chance to see if he can maintain his discipline . Another alternative is Savea at 7, Evans at 8 and Fifita at 6. Evans and Savea could alternate. An alternative is Flanders at 6 and Fifita and Scrafton starting at lock
There are a number of possibilities but none include Blackwell or Prinsep
IWL should start at lock.
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@cgrant said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Winger said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Surely Aride comes in at 8. Who plays 6 - Evans or Prinsep?
I know Prinsep isn't popular on TSF but he got through more work than Evans who was really ineffective last week
Canes really need a VG lineout option at 6 if they have Kirifi at 7 and Savea at 8. The best by far of the alternatives is Fifita. But hes lacks discipline. But thats who I would play if they go for the Savea Kirifi option. A last chance to see if he can maintain his discipline . Another alternative is Savea at 7, Evans at 8 and Fifita at 6. Evans and Savea could alternate. An alternative is Flanders at 6 and Fifita and Scrafton starting at lock
There are a number of possibilities but none include Blackwell or Prinsep
IWL should start at lock.
Its an option. But the Canes were poor in the line-out against the Blues and Fifita is a VG lineout option. So I would start him at either 6 or lock
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@No-Quarter said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Just not sure we have the backline to do it anymore.
Depends if Jordie starts or not. He seems to have leadership qualities that without him the team lacks. Although Aso is good but it needs someone to take the game by the horns. Jordie on form does this.
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@Winger I 100% agree with you, surely like the Barrett scenario we had some idea Plumtree was leaving yet have don’t nothing about it.
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@mariner4life After Sunday’s performance some of us are not very confident and would rather bury our heads in the sand and hope it goes away 😂
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Hurricanes
1 Fraser Armstrong
2 Dane Coles [cc]
3 Tyrel Lomax
4 James Blackwell
5 Vaea Fifita
6 Reed Prinsep
7 Du’Plessis Kirifi
8 Ardie Savea
9 TJ Perenara [cc]
10 Jackson Garden-Bachop
11 Ben Lam
12 Ngani Laumape
13 Vince Aso
14 Wes Goosen
15 Chase TiatiaREPLACEMENTS:
16 Asafo Aumua
17 Ben May
18 Alex Fidow
19 Scott Scrafton
20 Gareth Evans
21 Jamie Booth
22 Billy Proctor
23 Kobus Van Wykhttps://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/hurricanes-name-squad-to-face-crusaders-at-sky-stadium/
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Hurricanes
1 Fraser Armstrong
2 Dane Coles [cc]
3 Tyrel Lomax
4 James Blackwell
5 Vaea Fifita
6 Reed Prinsep
7 Du’Plessis Kirifi
8 Ardie Savea
9 TJ Perenara [cc]
10 Jackson Garden-Bachop
11 Ben Lam
12 Ngani Laumape
13 Vince Aso
14 Wes Goosen
15 Chase TiatiaREPLACEMENTS:
16 Asafo Aumua
17 Ben May
18 Alex Fidow
19 Scott Scrafton
20 Gareth Evans
21 Jamie Booth
22 Billy Proctor
23 Kobus Van Wykhttps://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/hurricanes-name-squad-to-face-crusaders-at-sky-stadium/
Is that starting 15 the same as last week?
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@Hooroo said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Is that starting 15 the same as last week?
Fifita pulled out injured late last week and Ardie was on the bench last week.
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@Hooroo Nah Fifita and Savea are the only changes
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@Hooroo No. Fifita has taken the place of Scrafton and Ardie the spot of Evans.
Changes on the bench are May for Mafileo; Scrafton for Walker-Leawere, Evans for Ardie, and they've dropped a forward (Flanders) for an extra back, van Wyk.
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@Stargazer Wow look TJ is covering 10 again yay.
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Lol I get legit mad each week I see Prinsep on the team sheet. Flanders please!
IWL must be injured? If they've dropped him it's baffling but not surprising with some of the dumb arse selections our coaches keep making
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Is Holland for real? How the hell does Prinsep start before Evans?
To make things worse he gets rid of IWL who was the only one to provide any sort of starch to our forward pack.
I've lost all faith in this coaching staff when they can't see where the obvious weaknesses are.
Crusaders by plenty.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
How the hell does Prinsep start before Evans?
Because he wasn't as bad as Evans in week 1
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@Duluth yes he was, Prinsep got smoked every time he ran it forward.
The coaches seem happy with plodder forwards but it won't win us games.
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Prinsep wasn't great either. Evans was worse
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
How the hell does Prinsep start before Evans?
Because he wasn't as bad as Evans in week 1
This is your drum you're constantly beating now?
Evans was poop last week, no doubt, but he's usually good at Super level.Does anyone know Prinsep? I'd like him to give me 6 numbers for the lotto ticket I plan to buy. Actually, if anyone knows Blackwell he's likely as good an option as well.
