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    • mariner4life
      mariner4life last edited by

      A thread that is a safe space* for you to air those thoughts you keep in your head because you know people are going to look at you funny when you say them out loud.

      For instance

      I just head the new Pearl Jam song. It's garbage. And it cemented in my mind that Pearl Jam, a band that has sold more than 85 million albums, are the most over rated band of my generation.

      Their first album, lauded as a modern classic, is for the most parts pretty mediocre, and only did any good because they were the safe, middle of the road, commercial "grunge" act. Their 2nd album was far better with far less acclaim, and their good work pretty much ended there. That was 1993. Since then? 9 deeply ordinary middle-of-the-road rock albums.

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      • mariner4life
        mariner4life last edited by mariner4life

        *this won't be a safe space. There will be multiple pile-ons

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        • MN5
          MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

          @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

          A thread that is a safe space* for you to air those thoughts you keep in your head because you know people are going to look at you funny when you say them out loud.

          For instance

          I just head the new Pearl Jam song. It's garbage. And it cemented in my mind that Pearl Jam, a band that has sold more than 85 million albums, are the most over rated band of my generation.

          Their first album, lauded as a modern classic, is for the most parts pretty mediocre, and only did any good because they were the safe, middle of the road, commercial "grunge" act. Their 2nd album was far better with far less acclaim, and their good work pretty much ended there. That was 1993. Since then? 9 deeply ordinary middle-of-the-road rock albums.

          Pearl Jam are shit compared to other bands of that era. So are Nirvana.

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          • mariner4life
            mariner4life @MN5 last edited by

            @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

            @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

            A thread that is a safe space* for you to air those thoughts you keep in your head because you know people are going to look at you funny when you say them out loud.

            For instance

            I just head the new Pearl Jam song. It's garbage. And it cemented in my mind that Pearl Jam, a band that has sold more than 85 million albums, are the most over rated band of my generation.

            Their first album, lauded as a modern classic, is for the most parts pretty mediocre, and only did any good because they were the safe, middle of the road, commercial "grunge" act. Their 2nd album was far better with far less acclaim, and their good work pretty much ended there. That was 1993. Since then? 9 deeply ordinary middle-of-the-road rock albums.

            Pearl Jam are shit compared to other bands of that era. So are Nirvana.

            easy. Nirvana have two pretty great albums. The Kurt Cobain myth is the most annoying thing about them.

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            • Hooroo
              Hooroo @mariner4life last edited by

              @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

              A thread that is a safe space* for you to air those thoughts you keep in your head because you know people are going to look at you funny when you say them out loud.

              For instance

              I just head the new Pearl Jam song. It's garbage. And it cemented in my mind that Pearl Jam, a band that has sold more than 85 million albums, are the most over rated band of my generation.

              Their first album, lauded as a modern classic, is for the most parts pretty mediocre, and only did any good because they were the safe, middle of the road, commercial "grunge" act. Their 2nd album was far better with far less acclaim, and their good work pretty much ended there. That was 1993. Since then? 9 deeply ordinary middle-of-the-road rock albums.

              I like 10, Vs and some of Vitology.

              Always been a fan but never my favourite band. Seem them a few times live and it was good.

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              • MN5
                MN5 @mariner4life last edited by MN5

                @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                A thread that is a safe space* for you to air those thoughts you keep in your head because you know people are going to look at you funny when you say them out loud.

                For instance

                I just head the new Pearl Jam song. It's garbage. And it cemented in my mind that Pearl Jam, a band that has sold more than 85 million albums, are the most over rated band of my generation.

                Their first album, lauded as a modern classic, is for the most parts pretty mediocre, and only did any good because they were the safe, middle of the road, commercial "grunge" act. Their 2nd album was far better with far less acclaim, and their good work pretty much ended there. That was 1993. Since then? 9 deeply ordinary middle-of-the-road rock albums.

                Pearl Jam are shit compared to other bands of that era. So are Nirvana.

                easy. Nirvana have two pretty great albums. The Kurt Cobain myth is the most annoying thing about them.

                Oh definitely. Kurt will always have a warm spot in my heart cos I learnt some of his tunes on the guitar ( I play left handed too ) purely to hook up with chicks.

                But they are massively overrated overall. Yet another rock star dying early and improving the aura when in actual fact he wasn’t that amazing

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                • NTA
                  NTA last edited by

                  Nirvana were overrated as fuck. If His Weird Bitch Missus Cobain hadn't blown his head off they'd go on to prove it and the glory that is Foo Fighters would never have been born.

                  🤔

                  Thanks Weird Bitch!

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                  • mariner4life
                    mariner4life @MN5 last edited by

                    @MN5 Kurt Cobain is one of the more successful marketing creations ever

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                    • canefan
                      canefan @MN5 last edited by

                      @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                      @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                      @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                      @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                      A thread that is a safe space* for you to air those thoughts you keep in your head because you know people are going to look at you funny when you say them out loud.

                      For instance

                      I just head the new Pearl Jam song. It's garbage. And it cemented in my mind that Pearl Jam, a band that has sold more than 85 million albums, are the most over rated band of my generation.

                      Their first album, lauded as a modern classic, is for the most parts pretty mediocre, and only did any good because they were the safe, middle of the road, commercial "grunge" act. Their 2nd album was far better with far less acclaim, and their good work pretty much ended there. That was 1993. Since then? 9 deeply ordinary middle-of-the-road rock albums.

                      Pearl Jam are shit compared to other bands of that era. So are Nirvana.

                      easy. Nirvana have two pretty great albums. The Kurt Cobain myth is the most annoying thing about them.

                      Oh definitely. Kurt will always have a warm spot in my heart cos I learnt some of his tunes on the guitar ( I play left handed too ) purely to hook up with chicks.

                      But they are massively overrated overall. Yet another rock star dying early and improving the aura when in actual fact he wasn’t that amazing

                      Untimely death can be great for record sales and legacy

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                      • Hooroo
                        Hooroo last edited by

                        There is no answer here.

                        There is the middle ground of popular bands you like

                        The overrated are poplular bands you've heard too much or don't really like anymore/never have liked

                        The underrated are not so popular (in one's eyes) bands that you really like.

                        I think Janes Addiction are under-rated but holidaying in LA suggests otherwise. I think Metallica is over-rated.

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                        • MN5
                          MN5 last edited by

                          For a band that Pretty much single handedly Invented metal I don’t think Black Sabbath get their dues compared to others

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                          • MN5
                            MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                            @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                            @MN5 Kurt Cobain is one of the more successful marketing creations ever

                            Which from what I’ve read about him he would have despised

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                            • mariner4life
                              mariner4life @MN5 last edited by

                              @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                              @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                              @MN5 Kurt Cobain is one of the more successful marketing creations ever

                              Which from what I’ve read about him he would have despised

                              another piece of marketing. Kurt played a part if it suited him

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                              • Stockcar86
                                Stockcar86 last edited by

                                Keeping to the music motif...

                                Electric Light Orchestra produced some of the best music in the world during the 70's and 80's. Jeff Lynne is a musical genius.

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                                • MN5
                                  MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                                  @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                  @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                  @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                  @MN5 Kurt Cobain is one of the more successful marketing creations ever

                                  Which from what I’ve read about him he would have despised

                                  another piece of marketing. Kurt played a part if it suited him

                                  Blowing his own head off certainly showed commitment to the cause though

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                                  • mariner4life
                                    mariner4life @MN5 last edited by

                                    @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                    For a band that Pretty much single handedly Invented metal I don’t think Black Sabbath get their dues compared to others

                                    wait, what? Massively lauded given their niche. And still regarded among the greatest bands of all time, despite not having broad market appeal.

                                    I think their place in the pantheon of great rock bands is secure, and also their placing is pretty much bang on.

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                                    • dogmeat
                                      dogmeat @canefan last edited by

                                      @canefan said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                      @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                      @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                      @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                      @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                      A thread that is a safe space* for you to air those thoughts you keep in your head because you know people are going to look at you funny when you say them out loud.

                                      For instance

                                      I just head the new Pearl Jam song. It's garbage. And it cemented in my mind that Pearl Jam, a band that has sold more than 85 million albums, are the most over rated band of my generation.

                                      Their first album, lauded as a modern classic, is for the most parts pretty mediocre, and only did any good because they were the safe, middle of the road, commercial "grunge" act. Their 2nd album was far better with far less acclaim, and their good work pretty much ended there. That was 1993. Since then? 9 deeply ordinary middle-of-the-road rock albums.

                                      Pearl Jam are shit compared to other bands of that era. So are Nirvana.

                                      easy. Nirvana have two pretty great albums. The Kurt Cobain myth is the most annoying thing about them.

                                      Oh definitely. Kurt will always have a warm spot in my heart cos I learnt some of his tunes on the guitar ( I play left handed too ) purely to hook up with chicks.

                                      But they are massively overrated overall. Yet another rock star dying early and improving the aura when in actual fact he wasn’t that amazing

                                      Untimely death can be great for record sales and legacy

                                      C'mon down James Morrison

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                                      • Machpants
                                        Machpants @dogmeat last edited by

                                        @dogmeat said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                        @canefan said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                        @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                        @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                        @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                        @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                        A thread that is a safe space* for you to air those thoughts you keep in your head because you know people are going to look at you funny when you say them out loud.

                                        For instance

                                        I just head the new Pearl Jam song. It's garbage. And it cemented in my mind that Pearl Jam, a band that has sold more than 85 million albums, are the most over rated band of my generation.

                                        Their first album, lauded as a modern classic, is for the most parts pretty mediocre, and only did any good because they were the safe, middle of the road, commercial "grunge" act. Their 2nd album was far better with far less acclaim, and their good work pretty much ended there. That was 1993. Since then? 9 deeply ordinary middle-of-the-road rock albums.

                                        Pearl Jam are shit compared to other bands of that era. So are Nirvana.

                                        easy. Nirvana have two pretty great albums. The Kurt Cobain myth is the most annoying thing about them.

                                        Oh definitely. Kurt will always have a warm spot in my heart cos I learnt some of his tunes on the guitar ( I play left handed too ) purely to hook up with chicks.

                                        But they are massively overrated overall. Yet another rock star dying early and improving the aura when in actual fact he wasn’t that amazing

                                        Untimely death can be great for record sales and legacy

                                        C'mon down James Morrison

                                        James James, Morrison Morrison, Wetherby George Dupree?

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                                        • mariner4life
                                          mariner4life @MN5 last edited by

                                          @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                          @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                          @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                          @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                          @MN5 Kurt Cobain is one of the more successful marketing creations ever

                                          Which from what I’ve read about him he would have despised

                                          another piece of marketing. Kurt played a part if it suited him

                                          Blowing his own head off certainly showed commitment to the cause though

                                          bloke definitely had issues. A drug problem and a toxic relationship will certainly help that along.

                                          It's the anti-commercialisation, anti-popularity thing that i think is hugely over played. Shit like coming out well after Nevermind has made a bucket of money and saying he thought it was too commercial, despite having a massive hand in the production.

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                                          • mariner4life
                                            mariner4life @Stockcar86 last edited by

                                            @Stockcar86 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                            Keeping to the music motif...

                                            Electric Light Orchestra produced some of the best music in the world during the 70's and 80's. Jeff Lynne is a musical genius.

                                            agreed.

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                                            • MN5
                                              MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                                              @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                              @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                              For a band that Pretty much single handedly Invented metal I don’t think Black Sabbath get their dues compared to others

                                              wait, what? Massively lauded given their niche. And still regarded among the greatest bands of all time, despite not having broad market appeal.

                                              I think their place in the pantheon of great rock bands is secure, and also their placing is pretty much bang on.

                                              None of what you’re saying is untrue. Maybe I just think they deserve even more given what they spawned and the fact that every bogan who ever picked up a guitar owes them a debt of gratitude whether they realise it or not

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                                              • Crucial
                                                Crucial @mariner4life last edited by

                                                @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                @MN5 said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                For a band that Pretty much single handedly Invented metal I don’t think Black Sabbath get their dues compared to others

                                                wait, what? Massively lauded given their niche. And still regarded among the greatest bands of all time, despite not having broad market appeal.

                                                I think their place in the pantheon of great rock bands is secure, and also their placing is pretty much bang on.

                                                There's an entertaining documentary on BBC at the moment about Rockfield Studios where, if BS invented metal, they were enabled greatly by having an independent farm studio in the middle of nowhere to do so. It simply wouldn't have happened in a studio owned by one of the big labels.

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                                                • mariner4life
                                                  mariner4life @Crucial last edited by

                                                  @Crucial god i absolutely love a good music documentary

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                                                  • MN5
                                                    MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                                                    @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                    @Crucial god i absolutely love a good music documentary

                                                    Done well they can elevate an otherwise ho hum band ( ZZ Top )to a whole different level.

                                                    The one on them on Netflix was terrific

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                                                    • Crucial
                                                      Crucial @mariner4life last edited by

                                                      @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                      @Crucial god i absolutely love a good music documentary

                                                      Theres lots of dross ones around. I particularly hate the BBC formula ones with spotty little wannabe radio announcers talking about artists 3 times their age as if they are the first to be knowledgable about them.
                                                      I do keep an eye out for good ones though and the one about Rockfield is definitely in that category.
                                                      You pick up otherwise hidden bits of fun like when Simple Minds were recording in the house and wondering who had the big studio in the pig sty when out walks Iggy Pop and they cream themselves.

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                                                      • mariner4life
                                                        mariner4life last edited by

                                                        i like the really simple "Classic Albums" ones actually. Just musicians and normally the producer talking about how the sound of an album comes about.

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                                                        • Crucial
                                                          Crucial @mariner4life last edited by

                                                          @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                          i like the really simple "Classic Albums" ones actually. Just musicians and normally the producer talking about how the sound of an album comes about.

                                                          In line with the thread, I really liked the Joshua Tree one of that series

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                                                          • antipodean
                                                            antipodean last edited by

                                                            Joshua Tree is the best U2 album.

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                                                            • mariner4life
                                                              mariner4life @antipodean last edited by

                                                              @antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                              Joshua Tree is the best U2 album.

                                                              that's not a hot take is it?

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                                                              • voodoo
                                                                voodoo @mariner4life last edited by voodoo

                                                                @mariner4life which song was released recently, something off Gigaton?

                                                                I love PJ, 10 especially. Black is one of my all time fav songs.

                                                                So fuck you and your safe space.

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                                                                • antipodean
                                                                  antipodean @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                  @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                  @antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                  Joshua Tree is the best U2 album.

                                                                  that's not a hot take is it?

                                                                  Might be controversial. About as controversial as anything else in this thread.

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                                                                  • Crucial
                                                                    Crucial @antipodean last edited by Crucial

                                                                    @antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                    @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                    @antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                    Joshua Tree is the best U2 album.

                                                                    that's not a hot take is it?

                                                                    Might be controversial. About as controversial as anything else in this thread.

                                                                    Considering that everytime U2 is mentioned it usually results in screams of 'Bonocock!'

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                                                                    • mariner4life
                                                                      mariner4life @Crucial last edited by

                                                                      @Crucial said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                      @antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                      @mariner4life said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                      @antipodean said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                      Joshua Tree is the best U2 album.

                                                                      that's not a hot take is it?

                                                                      Might be controversial. About as controversial as anything else in this thread.

                                                                      Considering that everytime U2 is mentioned it usually results in screams of 'Bonocock!'

                                                                      U2 were a pretty good band in the 80s

                                                                      That was a long time ago now

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                                                                      • Bones
                                                                        Bones last edited by

                                                                        BSG is sorely missed.

                                                                        Discuss.

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                                                                        • mariner4life
                                                                          mariner4life @Bones last edited by mariner4life

                                                                          @Bones said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                          BSG is sorely missed.

                                                                          Discuss.

                                                                          a posting history as storied as his will always leave a bit of a hole.

                                                                          I will say that, because i spend the majority of my time in the sports forum, i haven't missed him much...

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                                                                          • Bones
                                                                            Bones last edited by

                                                                            Vegemite > Marmite.

                                                                            Windows > Mac

                                                                            @Snowy isn't actually a serial killer.

                                                                            I could go on and on.

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                                                                            • MN5
                                                                              MN5 last edited by

                                                                              You guys can miss BSG as much as you want. Personally I've been in mourning since 15/3/2014.

                                                                              For those not as up with the play about Sports like I am this was the day of Frans Bothas last fight.

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                                                                              • canefan
                                                                                canefan @Bones last edited by

                                                                                @Bones said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                                Vegemite > Marmite.

                                                                                Windows > Mac

                                                                                @Snowy isn't actually a serial killer.

                                                                                I could go on and on.

                                                                                Fuck that. NZ marmite >> vegemite

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                                                                                • Bones
                                                                                  Bones @MN5 last edited by

                                                                                  @MN5 oh I thought it was going to be the day RB broke your heart.

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                                                                                  • Bones
                                                                                    Bones @canefan last edited by

                                                                                    @canefan said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                                    @Bones said in The hot takes and unpopular opinions:

                                                                                    Vegemite > Marmite.

                                                                                    Windows > Mac

                                                                                    @Snowy isn't actually a serial killer.

                                                                                    I could go on and on.

                                                                                    Fuck that. NZ marmite >> vegemite

                                                                                    You see, this is the kind of vociferous passion and debate this thread is about. You're welcome.

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