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    • Crucial
      Crucial last edited by Duluth

      My starter

      My XV (after a think)

      Ketels
      Dalton
      Spiers (feels rough to leave out Skinner but this is a combo)

      Coe
      Tuoro

      Habraken
      Marsh
      Brain

      Lee
      Nicky Allen

      Pat Walsh
      Robertson

      Lomu
      Vidiri

      TNW

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      • Tim
        Tim last edited by

        Tony Marsh was better than Alatini.

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        • Crucial
          Crucial @Tim last edited by

          @Tim said in Your Ultimate NPC Team:

          Tony Marsh was better than Alatini.

          Marsh never really shone for CM like he did for France IMO. He developed a lot after leaving.

          Another contender in the midfield is Laulala (Casey).
          I have gone for a couple of legends.

          Happy to alter my team based on feedback from other CM posters. The rest of you can concentrate on your own squads 😉

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          • booboo
            booboo @Crucial last edited by booboo

            @Crucial said in Your Ultimate NPC Team:

            Paul Tuoro in place of Cooksley.

            My first reaction.

            I always liked Kururangi. But those two wingers were kinda handy.

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            • Crucial
              Crucial @booboo last edited by

              @booboo said in Your Ultimate NPC Team:

              @Crucial said in Your Ultimate NPC Team:

              Paul Tuoro in place of Cooksley.

              My first reaction.

              I always liked Kururangi. But those two wingers were kinda handy.

              Could have had Sivivatu as well

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              • Tim
                Tim @Crucial last edited by

                @Crucial Thought Marsh was really good in 97 and 98, and should've made the ABs in 1998.

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                • Crucial
                  Crucial @Tim last edited by Crucial

                  @Tim said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                  @Crucial Thought Marsh was really good in 97 and 98, and should've made the ABs in 1998.

                  @Tim said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                  @Crucial Thought Marsh was really good in 97 and 98, and should've made the ABs in 1998.

                  I can buy that argument.
                  Still doesn't beat out Bruce Robertson though.

                  Edit: actually he played at 12 for CM

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                  • mikedogz
                    mikedogz last edited by

                    1 Rod Ketels
                    2 Andy Dalton
                    3 John Spiers
                    4 Jim Coe
                    5 Paul Tuoro
                    6 Koula Tukino
                    7 Glen Marsh
                    8 Errol Brain
                    9 Michael Scott
                    10 Danny Love
                    11 Jonah Lomu
                    12 Bundee Aki
                    13 Bruce Robertson
                    14 Joeli Vidiri
                    15 Tim Nanai Williams

                    B team

                    1 Sean Bagshaw
                    2 Andrew Roose
                    3 Lee Lidgard
                    4 Mark Cooksley
                    5 Api Naevo
                    6 Fritz Lee
                    7 Habraken
                    8 Alan Dawson
                    9 Danny Lee
                    10 Blair Feeney
                    11 Lelia Masaga
                    12 Tony Marsh
                    13 George Leaupepe
                    14 Tony Pulu
                    15 Loki Crichton

                    My teams are based from the era when they were regular semifinalists in the 90's, the Ranfurly Shield and Championship winning teams and the legends from before I can remember.

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                    • mikedogz
                      mikedogz last edited by

                      Chucking in a team of best players from Counties who moved on to other provinces, some from out of school, some lured away later.

                      1 Karl Tuinukuafe (Wesley)
                      2 Hame Faiva (Wesley)
                      3 John Afoa (Counties U16)
                      4 Mark Cooksley (lured away by Waikato)
                      5 Kristian Ormsby (best years in Wellington)
                      6 Jerome Kaino ( Counties U16)
                      7 Mike Brewer (Pukekohe High School)
                      8 Kieran Read (Rosehill College)
                      9 Finlay Christie ( Pukekohe raised)
                      10 Stephen Donald (Wesley, Waiuku, best years at Waikato)
                      11 Joe Rokocoko ( Counties Under 16)
                      12 Seilala Mapusua (Wesley)
                      13 Malakai Fekitoa (Wesley)
                      14 Sitiveni Sivivatu ( Best years at Waikato)
                      15 Charle Piutau ( Wesley)

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                      • Tim
                        Tim @mikedogz last edited by

                        @mikedogz said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                        Api Naevo

                        Solid player.

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                        • Crucial
                          Crucial last edited by Crucial

                          @mikedogz
                          I like your teams. Not so sure about your 10s. We might yet get to lay claim to Beaver if Waikato don't.

                          I am embarrassed to have left out the Irish centre.

                          Nicky Allen might have only played 4 games for CM but he also only played 10 for Auckland as well.
                          His career was so short I barely remember it, but he proved himself very quickly. Some say he would have been a great and writers add him in their top AB lists regularly. Hard to tell whether his sad early death increased his reputation.

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                          • shark
                            shark last edited by

                            No Hare Makiri?

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                            • Crucial
                              Crucial @shark last edited by

                              @shark said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                              No Hare Makiri?

                              Good call.
                              A different player to Marsh but both good.

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                              • shark
                                shark last edited by

                                I thought he was an 8?

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                                • Crucial
                                  Crucial @shark last edited by

                                  @shark said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                  I thought he was an 8?

                                  Played 7 as an international for Tonga. Doesn't get past Brain as an 8.

                                  Brain was a great.

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                                  • shark
                                    shark last edited by

                                    Just throwing his name out there 🙂

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                                    • Nepia
                                      Nepia @Crucial last edited by

                                      @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                      @shark said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                      I thought he was an 8?

                                      Played 7 as an international for Tonga. Doesn't get past Brain as an 8.

                                      Brain was a great.

                                      Japan?

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                                      • Crucial
                                        Crucial @Nepia last edited by

                                        @Nepia said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                        @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                        @shark said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                        I thought he was an 8?

                                        Played 7 as an international for Tonga. Doesn't get past Brain as an 8.

                                        Brain was a great.

                                        Japan?

                                        Yeah, one of those small pacific countries anyway.

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                                        • Smudge
                                          Smudge last edited by

                                          Disgraceful lack of respect for Lindsay Raki.

                                          Even if he didn't have much respect for pokie machine funds staying in the correct accounts...

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                                          • Crucial
                                            Crucial @Smudge last edited by

                                            @Smudge said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                            Disgraceful lack of respect for Lindsay Raki.

                                            Even if he didn't have much respect for pokie machine funds staying in the correct accounts...

                                            No lack of respect at all. Was a good servant to the union for many a season. For a long time was the only rep from my school as well.
                                            Never really in the frame for higher honours though.
                                            Would have been a solid super player in today's age but not much more.

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                                            • Higgins
                                              Higgins @Crucial last edited by

                                              @Crucial How do you guys rate Bob Lendrum (a really long servant for Counties) and GK Taylor who played well inside Bruce Robertson if my memory serves me right, also Brett Codlin at fullback?

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                                              • mariner4life
                                                mariner4life last edited by

                                                How is Pita Alatini not playing 12?

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                                                • Crucial
                                                  Crucial @mariner4life last edited by

                                                  @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                  How is Pita Alatini not playing 12?

                                                  Because no one wants him there over Marsh or Aki?
                                                  Not a lot in it really except selecting a midfield likely to get the ball to Jonah

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                                                  • mariner4life
                                                    mariner4life @Crucial last edited by

                                                    @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                    @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                    How is Pita Alatini not playing 12?

                                                    Because no one wants him there over Marsh or Aki?
                                                    Not a lot in it really except selecting a midfield likely to get the ball to Jonah

                                                    he's better then both of those players.

                                                    I find the general attitude to Alatini on here a bit strange. Around the turn of the century he was the absolute fucking man.

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                                                    • Crucial
                                                      Crucial @mariner4life last edited by

                                                      @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                      @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                      @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                      How is Pita Alatini not playing 12?

                                                      Because no one wants him there over Marsh or Aki?
                                                      Not a lot in it really except selecting a midfield likely to get the ball to Jonah

                                                      he's better then both of those players.

                                                      I find the general attitude to Alatini on here a bit strange. Around the turn of the century he was the absolute fucking man.

                                                      Welly can have him then

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                                                      • mariner4life
                                                        mariner4life @Crucial last edited by

                                                        @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                        @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                        @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                        @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                        How is Pita Alatini not playing 12?

                                                        Because no one wants him there over Marsh or Aki?
                                                        Not a lot in it really except selecting a midfield likely to get the ball to Jonah

                                                        he's better then both of those players.

                                                        I find the general attitude to Alatini on here a bit strange. Around the turn of the century he was the absolute fucking man.

                                                        Welly can have him then

                                                        against your own rules

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                                                        • Crucial
                                                          Crucial @mariner4life last edited by

                                                          @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                          @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                          @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                          @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                          @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                          How is Pita Alatini not playing 12?

                                                          Because no one wants him there over Marsh or Aki?
                                                          Not a lot in it really except selecting a midfield likely to get the ball to Jonah

                                                          he's better then both of those players.

                                                          I find the general attitude to Alatini on here a bit strange. Around the turn of the century he was the absolute fucking man.

                                                          Welly can have him then

                                                          against your own rules

                                                          No. If a player played for a union they can select him. If two teams select the same player he goes to the one he first repped

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                                                          • mariner4life
                                                            mariner4life @Crucial last edited by

                                                            @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                            @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                            @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                            @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                            @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                            @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                            How is Pita Alatini not playing 12?

                                                            Because no one wants him there over Marsh or Aki?
                                                            Not a lot in it really except selecting a midfield likely to get the ball to Jonah

                                                            he's better then both of those players.

                                                            I find the general attitude to Alatini on here a bit strange. Around the turn of the century he was the absolute fucking man.

                                                            Welly can have him then

                                                            against your own rules

                                                            No. If a player played for a union they can select him. If two teams select the same player he goes to the one he first repped

                                                            your funeral

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                                                            • Crucial
                                                              Crucial @mariner4life last edited by

                                                              @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                              @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                              @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                              @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                              @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                              @Crucial said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                              @mariner4life said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                              How is Pita Alatini not playing 12?

                                                              Because no one wants him there over Marsh or Aki?
                                                              Not a lot in it really except selecting a midfield likely to get the ball to Jonah

                                                              he's better then both of those players.

                                                              I find the general attitude to Alatini on here a bit strange. Around the turn of the century he was the absolute fucking man.

                                                              Welly can have him then

                                                              against your own rules

                                                              No. If a player played for a union they can select him. If two teams select the same player he goes to the one he first repped

                                                              your funeral

                                                              So between Beaver at 10 and Robertson at 13 you’d select Alatini?
                                                              Also his best work was as a stepper rather than a distributor. I want the ball going to Jonah and Joeli as much as possible.

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                                                              • M
                                                                mikey07 @Crucial last edited by

                                                                Welly can have him then

                                                                We don’t need him but thanks

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                                                                • Bovidae
                                                                  Bovidae last edited by

                                                                  I gave Alatini to Southland.

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                                                                  • Higgins
                                                                    Higgins last edited by Higgins

                                                                    @Crucial What has Alan Dawson done to piss you guys off so much to see him not make the team?

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                                                                    • Crucial
                                                                      Crucial @Higgins last edited by

                                                                      @Higgins said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                                      @Crucial What has Alan Dawson done to piss you guys off so much to see him not make the team?

                                                                      Nothing. Alltime CM legend . Sadly just pipped in the 8 jersey by Brain.
                                                                      Could have played him at 6 I guess

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                                                                      • Higgins
                                                                        Higgins @Crucial last edited by Higgins

                                                                        @Crucial That was where my question was being aimed at. Dawson should have been a certainty ahead of Tukino and anyone else you might have fronted with.

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                                                                        • Crucial
                                                                          Crucial @Higgins last edited by

                                                                          @Higgins said in Ultimate NPC: - Counties-Manukau:

                                                                          @Crucial That was where my question was being aimed at. Dawson should have been a certainty ahead of Tukino and anyone else you might have fronted with.

                                                                          From memory he played some 6 in his later years (probably among the last 50 of his 200 games) but certainly wasn't at his peak then and was a much better 8.
                                                                          I had a check and it looks like he was squeezed into 6 for Baabaas and North Island when he was playing 8 so you may be correct about his versatility.

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