Ultimate NPC: - Northland
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Someone to kick this off please
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Just a quick one, I'll probably amend the more I think about it
A couple have made it basedon how good they ended up, rather than what they did when wearing Cambridge Blue, and 1 based on potential.
Con Barrell, Derren Whitcome, Stan Wright
Ian Jones, Glenn Taylor
Tom Robinson,Brett WaakaPeter Jones, Justin Collins
Sid Going, David Holwell
Norm Berryman, Rene Ranger
Fred Woodman, Warren Johnstone, Rupeni CaucauI could play around with team to add Norm Maxwell (move Taylor to 6 ahead of Robinson, even though Maxwell and Robinson are quite alike)
I'd love to find aplace for Fero Lasigibivau too
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1 Con Barrell
2 Derren Witcombe
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4 Ian Jones
5 Norm Maxwell
6 Glenn Taylor
7 Gus Collins
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9 Sid Going
10 David Holwell
11 Rupeni Caucaunibuca
12 Jack Goodhue
13 Norm Berryman
14 Rene Ranger
15 Warren Johnstone -
A few of names off the top of my head that would be in the conversation:
Joe Morgan
Mose Tuiali'i
Peter Jones
Richie Guy
Ziggy Seymour
Ian Dunn
Eddie Dunn
Jared Payne -
@Gunner
Peter Sloane, Joe Veitiayaki another coupleI had edited my team to include Peter Jones
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Here is a list of all of our All Blacks, who would all have to be considered.
Never heard of some of the older ones, so couldn't tell you their positions.Jack Goodhue
Rene Ranger
Norm Berryman
Glenn Taylor
Ian Jones
Ian Dunn
Alastair Robinson
Kawhena Woodman
Michael Speight
Fred Woodman
Wayne Neville
Mike Burgoyne
Eddie Dunn
Ken Going
Sid Going
Richie Guy
Bevan Holmes
Murray Jones
Joe Morgan
Hamish Macdonald
Peter Sloane
Victor Yates
Ian Irvine
Peter Jones
Des Webb
Nau Cherrington
Johnny Smith
Peter Smith
Innes-Bunny Finlayson
Charlie Fletcher
Bill Heke
Alf Waterman -
@taniwharugby Are you related to Robinson?
Surely he's too early in his career to seriously be in contention for this team and Taylor would have that locked up? -
@Nepia I did qualify a couple of selections, he was there on potential, Whitcombe only played 20 times for us, Stan Wright only stepped up after he left here...I'd probably have Maxwell at 6 instead of at lock, Jones and Maxwell locking, way too lightweight.
Admittedly I blanked on Maxwell when listing the team too.
Bryce Williams is another to consider at lock, he went close to NZ A
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@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@Nepia I did qualify a couple of selections, he was there on potential, Whitcombe only played 20 times for us, Stan Wright only stepped up after he left here...I'd probably have Maxwell at 6 instead of at lock, Jones and Maxwell locking, way too lightweight.
Bryce Williams is another to consider at lock, he went close to NZ A
Sheesh, I'd forgotten about Williams. Surely if you have Taylor at 6 it wouldn't matter having the relatively lightweight locks?
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@Nepia Jones and Maxwell wouldnt be relative lightweight, they would be lightweight, be easier to have Taylor at lock and move Maxwell to 6
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@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@Nepia Jones and Maxwell wouldnt be relative lightweight, they would be lightweight, be easier to have Taylor at lock and move Maxwell or Williams.
Oh you mean pushing in the scrums? I was just meaning if you have all three on the field they'll do the job and Taylor at 6 helps balance that lightweightness out.
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@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
Jones and Maxwell wouldnt be relative lightweight, they would be lightweight, be easier to have Taylor at lock and move Maxwell to 6
Yeah I just went for Taylor at six because that's where he made the AB's. The best locking combo is Jones/Taylor
If Maxwell isn't in the best two locks then you could argue he misses out to Robinson
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@Duluth said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
Jones and Maxwell wouldnt be relative lightweight, they would be lightweight, be easier to have Taylor at lock and move Maxwell to 6
Yeah I just went for Taylor at six because that's where he made the AB's. The best locking combo is Jones/Taylor
If Maxwell isn't in the best two locks then you could argue he misses out to Robinson
Maxwell is easily in the best two locks (without weight qualifiers).
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yeah Jones is an auto selection, but I think if you were wanting a player to play today, he wouldnt be it (size, way he played, lifting v jumping) Maxwell (very much how Robinson plays with total disregard for his own body) or Williams to line up alongside Taylor...but then it comes back to comparing players form different eras
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I'll give it a nudge
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Con Barrell
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Peter Sloane
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Richie Guy
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Ian Jones
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Norm Maxwell
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Glenn Taylor
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Innes 'Bunny' Finlayson
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Peter Jones
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Super Sid
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Eddie Dunn
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Rupeni Caucaunibuca
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Joe Morgan
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Jack Goodhue
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Rene Ranger
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Warren Johnstone
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Derren Witcombe
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Nick White
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Hamish MacDonald
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Justin Collins
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Tane Takalua (Sam Nock might overtake him, but hasn't yet IMO)
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Ian Dunn
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Norm Berryman
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@Gunner I'd be going some shoehorning to get Berryman into the 1st 15.
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@taniwharugby thought about putting him at fullback, pretty sure he played the odd game there. But then I couldn't go past 'The Boot'.
It's a 22 man game these days anyway
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Like @Gunner I'd go for Peter Sloane instead of Whitcombe. Kahu Sutherland or Bill LeClerc at Prop ahead of Wright?
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@JC yeah as I said, Wright made my team based on his post-Northland performances, Whitcombe largely too, so sliding them out wont be an issue for my team.
@Gunner Berryman played 13 too, so shuffle Goodhue in, but then it was his combo with Jason Hita that made it work there, the WAATZ brothers I think they were?
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@taniwharugby Joe Morgan stays ahead of Berryman for me. I didn't see him play, so that is based on being the highest capped Taniwha (I think), and also more games in black.
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@Gunner imagine a back 3 with Ranger, Caucau and Berryman! Be entertaining, likely more good than bad!
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Also both of the Dunn brothers were fine players in their day but I think you're stretching it to suggest they're both good enough to block Holwell right out of the squad
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@JC said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
Also both of the Dunn brothers were fine players in their day but I think you're stretching it to suggest they're both good enough to block Holwell right out of the squad
Both All Blacks...
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@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@Gunner imagine a back 3 with Ranger, Caucau and Berryman! Be entertaining, likely more good than bad!
True. Well worth the price $20 terrace ticket.
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How many games did Johnny Smith play for North Auckland? He was considered a legend of his era, and one of the best midfielders, based on his AB bio.
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@Bovidae wiki told me 41
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@Gunner said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
@JC said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
Also both of the Dunn brothers were fine players in their day but I think you're stretching it to suggest they're both good enough to block Holwell right out of the squad
Both All Blacks...
True, but if they had been playing in Mehrts's then Dan Carter's era they probably wouldn't have been, which was Holwell's curse.
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is tough when you have some players you are basing your veiw on what you have read or what other people who saw them play said.
Johnny SMith a prime example (I admit I knew little about him, other than he played for North Auckland and AB's)
Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...
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@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...
Based on that, he'd have to be in the team then.
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@Gunner ahead of Morgan or Goodhue...
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@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
is tough when you have some players you are basing your veiw on what you have read or what other people who saw them play said.
Johnny SMith a prime example (I admit I knew little about him, other than he played for North Auckland and AB's)
Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...
I've known about JB since I was a boy as I had lots of old rugby books and he was a great Maori centre. I think he'd make every list of 100 greatest ABs.
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@taniwharugby it's a really tough call as I didn't see Morgan play.
Morgan played a record 165 games for Northland and 5 ABs games.
Jack has already played more ABs matches (though 14 v 5 is not significantly more) and there will be many more to come.Right now - I think Goodhue misses out.
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@Gunner said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
I didn't see Morgan play.
A lot of TSFers wouldn't have
I'd lean towards picking a side that could win a TSF poll vs another side (assuming thats where this competition goes)
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@Duluth said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
I'd lean towards picking a side that could win a TSF poll vs another side (assuming thats where this competition goes)
Very good point.
In that case keep Goodhue.
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How about someone just names the side that played the 1990 Wallabies, and be done with it.
Warren Johnstone was, and remains the most iconic Northland player for me.
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To add to prior discussions, I would have Jared Payne at Fullback and Vula Maimuri in my reserves.
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OK, so looking like team pretty much picks itself aside from a few positions?
1 - Con Barrell (Northland/North Auckland Caps - 77, AB's - 4 matches, 0 tests)
2 - Whitcombe (20,5) Sloane (146, 1)
3 - Richie Guy (91, 4)
4 - Ian Jones (66, 79)
5 - Glenn Taylor (143, 1)
6 - Norm Maxwell (38, 36)
7 - Gus Collins (114, 0)
8 - Peter Jones (79, 37)
9 - Sid Going (110, 29)
10 - David Holwell (115, 0)
11 - Rupeni Caucau (21, 0)
12 - Johnny Smith (41, 4)
13 - Jack Goodhue (9, 14)
14 - Rene Ranger (88, 6)
15 - Warren Johnstone (161, 0) Jared Payne (36, Ire 20) Norm Berryman (107*, 1)As above, I'd be inclined to play Taylor as the lock, and Maxwell at 6 to give a bit more grunt at scrumtime, I'd like Berryman in there too, but he'd have to go to push out Johnny Smith (and Goodhue to 12) or go to 15, so not sure he can start
Although is an argument Goodhue could go to Canterbury having played more for them than us...although thye'd probably just loan him out to Tasman
Who would be Captain? Glenn Taylor? Whitcombe?
*Honors board says Berryman played 107 times for Northland, but I found an article after he died stating 75...
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@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
I'd like Berryman in there too, but he'd have to go to push out Johnny Smith (and Goodhue to 12) or go to 15, so not sure he can start
Berryman on the wing, Ranger to 12 and Goodhue stays at 13?
@taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:
Who would be Captain? Glenn Taylor? Whitcombe?
I'd go for Taylor. He was massive in leading that late 90's side
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@Duluth yeah just a few to finalise.
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If you're going back, wouldn't which ever Going played 10 be a contender against Holwell?
Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia
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