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    • Crucial
      Crucial last edited by Duluth

      Someone to kick this off please

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      • taniwharugby
        taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

        Just a quick one, I'll probably amend the more I think about it

        A couple have made it basedon how good they ended up, rather than what they did when wearing Cambridge Blue, and 1 based on potential.

        Con Barrell, Derren Whitcome, Stan Wright
        Ian Jones, Glenn Taylor
        Tom Robinson, Brett Waaka Peter Jones, Justin Collins
        Sid Going, David Holwell
        Norm Berryman, Rene Ranger
        Fred Woodman, Warren Johnstone, Rupeni Caucau

        I could play around with team to add Norm Maxwell (move Taylor to 6 ahead of Robinson, even though Maxwell and Robinson are quite alike)

        I'd love to find aplace for Fero Lasigibivau too

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        • Duluth
          Duluth last edited by

          1 Con Barrell
          2 Derren Witcombe
          3
          4 Ian Jones
          5 Norm Maxwell
          6 Glenn Taylor
          7 Gus Collins
          8
          9 Sid Going
          10 David Holwell
          11 Rupeni Caucaunibuca
          12 Jack Goodhue
          13 Norm Berryman
          14 Rene Ranger
          15 Warren Johnstone

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            Gunner last edited by

            A few of names off the top of my head that would be in the conversation:

            Joe Morgan
            Mose Tuiali'i
            Peter Jones
            Richie Guy
            Ziggy Seymour
            Ian Dunn
            Eddie Dunn
            Jared Payne

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            • taniwharugby
              taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

              @Gunner
              Peter Sloane, Joe Veitiayaki another couple

              I had edited my team to include Peter Jones

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                Gunner last edited by Gunner

                Here is a list of all of our All Blacks, who would all have to be considered.
                Never heard of some of the older ones, so couldn't tell you their positions.

                Jack Goodhue
                Rene Ranger
                Norm Berryman
                Glenn Taylor
                Ian Jones
                Ian Dunn
                Alastair Robinson
                Kawhena Woodman
                Michael Speight
                Fred Woodman
                Wayne Neville
                Mike Burgoyne
                Eddie Dunn
                Ken Going
                Sid Going
                Richie Guy
                Bevan Holmes
                Murray Jones
                Joe Morgan
                Hamish Macdonald
                Peter Sloane
                Victor Yates
                Ian Irvine
                Peter Jones
                Des Webb
                Nau Cherrington
                Johnny Smith
                Peter Smith​​​
                Innes-Bunny Finlayson
                Charlie Fletcher
                Bill Heke
                Alf Waterman

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                • Nepia
                  Nepia @taniwharugby last edited by

                  @taniwharugby Are you related to Robinson? 😉 Surely he's too early in his career to seriously be in contention for this team and Taylor would have that locked up?

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                  • taniwharugby
                    taniwharugby @Nepia last edited by taniwharugby

                    @Nepia I did qualify a couple of selections, he was there on potential, Whitcombe only played 20 times for us, Stan Wright only stepped up after he left here...I'd probably have Maxwell at 6 instead of at lock, Jones and Maxwell locking, way too lightweight.

                    Admittedly I blanked on Maxwell when listing the team too.

                    Bryce Williams is another to consider at lock, he went close to NZ A

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                    • Nepia
                      Nepia @taniwharugby last edited by

                      @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                      @Nepia I did qualify a couple of selections, he was there on potential, Whitcombe only played 20 times for us, Stan Wright only stepped up after he left here...I'd probably have Maxwell at 6 instead of at lock, Jones and Maxwell locking, way too lightweight.

                      Bryce Williams is another to consider at lock, he went close to NZ A

                      Sheesh, I'd forgotten about Williams. Surely if you have Taylor at 6 it wouldn't matter having the relatively lightweight locks?

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                      • taniwharugby
                        taniwharugby @Nepia last edited by taniwharugby

                        @Nepia Jones and Maxwell wouldnt be relative lightweight, they would be lightweight, be easier to have Taylor at lock and move Maxwell to 6

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                        • Nepia
                          Nepia @taniwharugby last edited by

                          @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                          @Nepia Jones and Maxwell wouldnt be relative lightweight, they would be lightweight, be easier to have Taylor at lock and move Maxwell or Williams.

                          Oh you mean pushing in the scrums? I was just meaning if you have all three on the field they'll do the job and Taylor at 6 helps balance that lightweightness out.

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                          • Duluth
                            Duluth @taniwharugby last edited by

                            @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                            Jones and Maxwell wouldnt be relative lightweight, they would be lightweight, be easier to have Taylor at lock and move Maxwell to 6

                            Yeah I just went for Taylor at six because that's where he made the AB's. The best locking combo is Jones/Taylor

                            If Maxwell isn't in the best two locks then you could argue he misses out to Robinson

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                            • Nepia
                              Nepia @Duluth last edited by

                              @Duluth said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                              @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                              Jones and Maxwell wouldnt be relative lightweight, they would be lightweight, be easier to have Taylor at lock and move Maxwell to 6

                              Yeah I just went for Taylor at six because that's where he made the AB's. The best locking combo is Jones/Taylor

                              If Maxwell isn't in the best two locks then you could argue he misses out to Robinson

                              Maxwell is easily in the best two locks (without weight qualifiers).

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                              • taniwharugby
                                taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

                                yeah Jones is an auto selection, but I think if you were wanting a player to play today, he wouldnt be it (size, way he played, lifting v jumping) Maxwell (very much how Robinson plays with total disregard for his own body) or Williams to line up alongside Taylor...but then it comes back to comparing players form different eras

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                                  Gunner last edited by

                                  I'll give it a nudge

                                  1. Con Barrell

                                  2. Peter Sloane

                                  3. Richie Guy

                                  4. Ian Jones

                                  5. Norm Maxwell

                                  6. Glenn Taylor

                                  7. Innes 'Bunny' Finlayson

                                  8. Peter Jones

                                  9. Super Sid

                                  10. Eddie Dunn

                                  11. Rupeni Caucaunibuca

                                  12. Joe Morgan

                                  13. Jack Goodhue

                                  14. Rene Ranger

                                  15. Warren Johnstone

                                  16. Derren Witcombe

                                  17. Nick White

                                  18. Hamish MacDonald

                                  19. Justin Collins

                                  20. Tane Takalua (Sam Nock might overtake him, but hasn't yet IMO)

                                  21. Ian Dunn

                                  22. Norm Berryman

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                                  • taniwharugby
                                    taniwharugby @Gunner last edited by

                                    @Gunner I'd be going some shoehorning to get Berryman into the 1st 15.

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                                      Gunner @taniwharugby last edited by

                                      @taniwharugby thought about putting him at fullback, pretty sure he played the odd game there. But then I couldn't go past 'The Boot'.

                                      It's a 22 man game these days anyway 😉

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                                      • JC
                                        JC last edited by

                                        Like @Gunner I'd go for Peter Sloane instead of Whitcombe. Kahu Sutherland or Bill LeClerc at Prop ahead of Wright?

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                                        • taniwharugby
                                          taniwharugby @JC last edited by taniwharugby

                                          @JC yeah as I said, Wright made my team based on his post-Northland performances, Whitcombe largely too, so sliding them out wont be an issue for my team.

                                          @Gunner Berryman played 13 too, so shuffle Goodhue in, but then it was his combo with Jason Hita that made it work there, the WAATZ brothers I think they were? 🙂

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                                            Gunner @taniwharugby last edited by Gunner

                                            @taniwharugby Joe Morgan stays ahead of Berryman for me. I didn't see him play, so that is based on being the highest capped Taniwha (I think), and also more games in black.

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                                            • taniwharugby
                                              taniwharugby @Gunner last edited by taniwharugby

                                              @Gunner imagine a back 3 with Ranger, Caucau and Berryman! Be entertaining, likely more good than bad!

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                                              • JC
                                                JC last edited by

                                                Also both of the Dunn brothers were fine players in their day but I think you're stretching it to suggest they're both good enough to block Holwell right out of the squad

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                                                  Gunner @JC last edited by

                                                  @JC said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                  Also both of the Dunn brothers were fine players in their day but I think you're stretching it to suggest they're both good enough to block Holwell right out of the squad

                                                  Both All Blacks...

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                                                    Gunner @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                    @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                    @Gunner imagine a back 3 with Ranger, Caucau and Berryman! Be entertaining, likely more good than bad!

                                                    True. Well worth the price $20 terrace ticket.

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                                                    • Bovidae
                                                      Bovidae last edited by

                                                      How many games did Johnny Smith play for North Auckland? He was considered a legend of his era, and one of the best midfielders, based on his AB bio.

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                                                      • taniwharugby
                                                        taniwharugby @Bovidae last edited by

                                                        @Bovidae wiki told me 41

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                                                        • JC
                                                          JC @Gunner last edited by

                                                          @Gunner said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                          @JC said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                          Also both of the Dunn brothers were fine players in their day but I think you're stretching it to suggest they're both good enough to block Holwell right out of the squad

                                                          Both All Blacks...

                                                          True, but if they had been playing in Mehrts's then Dan Carter's era they probably wouldn't have been, which was Holwell's curse.

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                                                          • taniwharugby
                                                            taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

                                                            is tough when you have some players you are basing your veiw on what you have read or what other people who saw them play said.

                                                            Johnny SMith a prime example (I admit I knew little about him, other than he played for North Auckland and AB's)

                                                            Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

                                                            Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

                                                            Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...

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                                                              Gunner @taniwharugby last edited by Gunner

                                                              @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                              Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

                                                              Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

                                                              Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...

                                                              Based on that, he'd have to be in the team then.

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                                                              • taniwharugby
                                                                taniwharugby @Gunner last edited by

                                                                @Gunner ahead of Morgan or Goodhue...

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                                                                • Nepia
                                                                  Nepia @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                                  @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                                  is tough when you have some players you are basing your veiw on what you have read or what other people who saw them play said.

                                                                  Johnny SMith a prime example (I admit I knew little about him, other than he played for North Auckland and AB's)

                                                                  Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

                                                                  Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

                                                                  Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...

                                                                  I've known about JB since I was a boy as I had lots of old rugby books and he was a great Maori centre. I think he'd make every list of 100 greatest ABs.

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                                                                    Gunner @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                                    @taniwharugby it's a really tough call as I didn't see Morgan play.

                                                                    Morgan played a record 165 games for Northland and 5 ABs games.
                                                                    Jack has already played more ABs matches (though 14 v 5 is not significantly more) and there will be many more to come.

                                                                    Right now - I think Goodhue misses out.
                                                                    If we have this debate in another few years, Jack may well get his nose in front.

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                                                                    • Duluth
                                                                      Duluth @Gunner last edited by Duluth

                                                                      @Gunner said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                                      I didn't see Morgan play.

                                                                      A lot of TSFers wouldn't have

                                                                      I'd lean towards picking a side that could win a TSF poll vs another side (assuming thats where this competition goes)

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                                                                        Gunner @Duluth last edited by

                                                                        @Duluth said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                                        I'd lean towards picking a side that could win a TSF poll vs another side (assuming thats where this competition goes)

                                                                        Very good point.

                                                                        In that case keep Goodhue.

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                                                                        • shark
                                                                          shark last edited by

                                                                          How about someone just names the side that played the 1990 Wallabies, and be done with it.

                                                                          Warren Johnstone was, and remains the most iconic Northland player for me.

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                                                                          • K
                                                                            kev last edited by

                                                                            To add to prior discussions, I would have Jared Payne at Fullback and Vula Maimuri in my reserves.

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                                                                            • taniwharugby
                                                                              taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

                                                                              OK, so looking like team pretty much picks itself aside from a few positions?
                                                                              1 - Con Barrell (Northland/North Auckland Caps - 77, AB's - 4 matches, 0 tests)
                                                                              2 - Whitcombe (20,5) Sloane (146, 1)
                                                                              3 - Richie Guy (91, 4)
                                                                              4 - Ian Jones (66, 79)
                                                                              5 - Glenn Taylor (143, 1)
                                                                              6 - Norm Maxwell (38, 36)
                                                                              7 - Gus Collins (114, 0)
                                                                              8 - Peter Jones (79, 37)
                                                                              9 - Sid Going (110, 29)
                                                                              10 - David Holwell (115, 0)
                                                                              11 - Rupeni Caucau (21, 0)
                                                                              12 - Johnny Smith (41, 4)
                                                                              13 - Jack Goodhue (9, 14)
                                                                              14 - Rene Ranger (88, 6)
                                                                              15 - Warren Johnstone (161, 0) Jared Payne (36, Ire 20) Norm Berryman (107*, 1)

                                                                              As above, I'd be inclined to play Taylor as the lock, and Maxwell at 6 to give a bit more grunt at scrumtime, I'd like Berryman in there too, but he'd have to go to push out Johnny Smith (and Goodhue to 12) or go to 15, so not sure he can start 😯

                                                                              Although is an argument Goodhue could go to Canterbury having played more for them than us...although thye'd probably just loan him out to Tasman

                                                                              Who would be Captain? Glenn Taylor? Whitcombe?

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                                                                              *Honors board says Berryman played 107 times for Northland, but I found an article after he died stating 75...

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                                                                              • Duluth
                                                                                Duluth @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                                                @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                                                I'd like Berryman in there too, but he'd have to go to push out Johnny Smith (and Goodhue to 12) or go to 15, so not sure he can start 😯

                                                                                Berryman on the wing, Ranger to 12 and Goodhue stays at 13?


                                                                                @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

                                                                                Who would be Captain? Glenn Taylor? Whitcombe?

                                                                                I'd go for Taylor. He was massive in leading that late 90's side

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                                                                                • taniwharugby
                                                                                  taniwharugby @Duluth last edited by

                                                                                  @Duluth yeah just a few to finalise.

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                                                                                  • Nepia
                                                                                    Nepia last edited by

                                                                                    If you're going back, wouldn't which ever Going played 10 be a contender against Holwell?

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