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I'm happy to comment on a few of those issues.
Hux - He is meant to be a twat elevated above his abilities. Did you not listen to Snoke? Agree that he should have been killed off by Kylo though.
Didn't really go for the Casino stuff either except that without it the movie would have been set around a slow space chase and a wet island that looked too 'earth'. SW is all about giving us new and rich worlds. They may not have got this one 100% but one was needed. Also needed to show something in the Galaxy for the message of hope or, again it would have been an episode of Battlestar Gallatica (credit: Kirwan) with some Jedi on the side.
I think it would have been Leia doing the sacrifice if they knew she was about to die anyway. Better to have her re-unite with Luke. Would have been disappointed if that didn't happen.
Snoke's backstory gets explained in the books, comics etc, maybe even being left to show more of in other movies. Can't fit everything in.
Plasma? Has had a book already, but I think she was a superfluous character in the first place and if it wasn't for the marketing already done before TFA would/should have been cut out altogether. A case of not enough time on screen. If the character hadn't been talked up before TFA but just appeared in the scenes being bad-ass, could well have taken on Boba Fett like fan status for looking cool and being a mystery. Poorly handled all around. An over-reach.
Kylo - I though TLJ made a good job of showing that he was meant to be a whiny emo. Snoke laughs at him and his 'silly mask' and explains how he is being used in the early scenes.
Guessing that Finns storyline in E9 will involve getting revenge on the slicer somewhere along the way.
But:
Awesome space battles. Improved X-Wings (loved the way they now swoop in to land quickly). The best Chewie moments of all the movies. Cool new worlds. Bigger baddie ships. R2 being R2. Leia getting a fitting last showing. The fight with the guards up there with the Darth Maul fight. Great use of humour (loved the prank call).....so who cares about the detail.
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I really liked it. I actually had no idea where the storyline was going and that, along with a few other scenes suggests (Leia and Chewie hugging, finally fixed that annoying scene from TFA where she walks straight past him, almost wish that Lucas was around to go back and correct that with CGI, even if it's Phantom Menace era ones) they listened to some of the criticism after TFA.
But stupidest plot point to me was Purple Hair not telling Poe the plan. That was just stupid and led to stupid scenes.
Don't have a problem with Hux like everyone else did. To me he's supposed to be snivelling and he plays that well.
As Kirwan notes, very BSG plotline.
Thought they could have tightened the Island scenes a bit, and agree the Casino was a bit of a waste.
Thought the Ren storyline was pretty good this time round, it wasn't hard to guess he'd take over after taking out the emperor and the red ninjas. Was not fussed about the end of Snope. Bit of a nothing character but played a role in the story. I wonder if Ren will take on an apprentice?
@MN5 Captain Phasma being a cameo fits with her being the new Boba Fett.
Agree with whoever who said that Leia should have remained on the ship ... but realistically that's the equivalent of leaving Eisenhower to die rather than Bradley.
Definitely think they have to do a time jump after the ending with the kids. Poe as a main admiral/general I guess.
Also, with the amount of comedy in that the floating if Taika as a director doesn't seem as left field anymore.
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Funny how all the critique and analysis done on these movies would decimate the orginal SW when it came out.
'I'm pissed off that they never explained why that Vader guy was bad'
'That whole trash compactor scene was a waste of time and achieved nothing'
'Stupid how the old bloke who was meant to be 'their only hope' did stuff all'
'What was the point of Han Solo's hairy sidekick? Was he just there for the laughs?'Actually there were reviews like this at the time and they were roundly kicked into touch by people just enjoying the show for what it was and making it one of the most popular movies of all time.
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Warning: don't ask too loudly for Snoke's backstory. Remember what happened when we got Vader's one.
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Funny how all the critique and analysis done on these movies would decimate the orginal SW when it came out.
'I'm pissed off that they never explained why that Vader guy was bad'
'That whole trash compactor scene was a waste of time and achieved nothing'
'Stupid how the old bloke who was meant to be 'their only hope' did stuff all'
'What was the point of Han Solo's hairy sidekick? Was he just there for the laughs?'Actually there were reviews like this at the time and they were roundly kicked into touch by people just enjoying the show for what it was and making it one of the most popular movies of all time.
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Warning: don't ask too loudly for Snoke's backstory. Remember what happened when we got Vader's one.
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That's why I can't stand people who critique the prequels and hail the originals as flawless masterpieces. Some of the dialogue is hammy as fuck particularly from L Skywalker.
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Ive not seen anyone say they are flawless, and Luke’s dialogue is often mocked by all Star Wars fans. I think you guys are straw manning a bit here.
They are just the best Star Wars movies.
What the original movies got right, that all the subsequent movies have not is clear lines between good and evil, not over explaining everything, and a clear narrative.
It makes you accept the flaws as you were on a fun ride.
With the prequels you got poorly defined characters, exposition heavy movies where they explained everything right down to how the force worked. And they were basically about politics instead of rescuing princesses and blowing up super weapons.
Personally, I think they should have made one prequel movie about the fall of Anakin Skywalker. Obsessions about trilogies just leaves you with padded movies trying to stretch out a story, like the recent Hobbit movies.
Rogue One showed what you could do with a stand-alone movie. Going forward, I’m wondering if the Star Wars Stories will end up being the better films.
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
Lee was awesome as Dooku ( especially wasting two Jedi at once) but I struggle to buy a character that smart being that dumb ( he woulda known Palpatines plan to convert Annekin at his expense ). Jango and Maul were just old school tough guys but both had some seriously memorable fights. I suppose Grievous was a bit expendable now I think about it but look at their aura and coolness with the new trilogys bad guys, thank fuck Ren became cooler in the latest one is all I can say cos aside from that there's absolutely no comparison. Hux's most accurate contemporary is obviously Tarkin but again, both humans with no apparent powers, who was the more memorable effective character?
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Saw it, loved it
Gonna see it again.Ideally without the half a dozen kids sitting behind me talking, laughing and kicking my seat most of the way through.. I till I had enough and spun around and yelled ‘stop kicking my fucking chair’
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@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Saw it, loved it
Gonna see it again.Ideally without the half a dozen kids sitting behind me talking, laughing and kicking my seat most of the way through.. I till I had enough and spun around and yelled ‘stop kicking my fucking chair’
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I'd backhand any fluffybunny who talks during Star Wars. Don't feel the least bit bad.
Retrospect has made me enjoy it more, I still don't like Finn, Poe isn't a great deal better. Han and Lando they are not. I do like Rey and Ren though thank goodness.
The latter improved hugely in my opinion.
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
Lee was awesome as Dooku ( especially wasting two Jedi at once) but I struggle to buy a character that smart being that dumb ( he woulda known Palpatines plan to convert Annekin at his expense ). Jango and Maul were just old school tough guys but both had some seriously memorable fights. I suppose Grievous was a bit expendable now I think about it but look at their aura and coolness with the new trilogys bad guys, thank fuck Ren became cooler in the latest one is all I can say cos aside from that there's absolutely no comparison. Hux's most accurate contemporary is obviously Tarkin but again, both humans with no apparent powers, who was the more memorable effective character?
I see you point, so will ask you this: what do you think of Captain Phasma?
The most prequel-ish character. Looks cool, you want to see more of her, and she’s only there to be bitch slapped by the good guys.
Lost opportunity for an iconic character IMO.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
Lee was awesome as Dooku ( especially wasting two Jedi at once) but I struggle to buy a character that smart being that dumb ( he woulda known Palpatines plan to convert Annekin at his expense ). Jango and Maul were just old school tough guys but both had some seriously memorable fights. I suppose Grievous was a bit expendable now I think about it but look at their aura and coolness with the new trilogys bad guys, thank fuck Ren became cooler in the latest one is all I can say cos aside from that there's absolutely no comparison. Hux's most accurate contemporary is obviously Tarkin but again, both humans with no apparent powers, who was the more memorable effective character?
I see you point, so will ask you this: what do you think of Captain Phasma?
The most prequel-ish character. Looks cool, you want to see more of her, and she’s only there to be bitch slapped by the good guys.
Lost opportunity for an iconic character IMO.
She's not bad but loses a few points for being chucked in a garbage shoot in episode 7.
If she's clearly bulletproof why did she not put up a fight when Han and co ambushed her?
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
Lee was awesome as Dooku ( especially wasting two Jedi at once) but I struggle to buy a character that smart being that dumb ( he woulda known Palpatines plan to convert Annekin at his expense ). Jango and Maul were just old school tough guys but both had some seriously memorable fights. I suppose Grievous was a bit expendable now I think about it but look at their aura and coolness with the new trilogys bad guys, thank fuck Ren became cooler in the latest one is all I can say cos aside from that there's absolutely no comparison. Hux's most accurate contemporary is obviously Tarkin but again, both humans with no apparent powers, who was the more memorable effective character?
I see you point, so will ask you this: what do you think of Captain Phasma?
The most prequel-ish character. Looks cool, you want to see more of her, and she’s only there to be bitch slapped by the good guys.
Lost opportunity for an iconic character IMO.
She's not bad but loses a few points for being chucked in a garbage shoot in episode 7.
If she's clearly bulletproof why did she not put up a fight when Han and co ambushed her?
Didn't she have a new suit this time round? The last one might not have been laser proof.
Oh, one other thing I forgot, I'd rather they have kept the hot sister around ....
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Saw it today. Jury's still out for me. Tthe opening scene is one of the stupidest in all 8 movies. Hux is a shit shit villain.
But i absolutely loved the rey/ren stuff, that was really good and really well done. Broken luke was good too.
The rest was meh for me.
But I'll view again to form a better judgement