Hurricanes 2021
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Love should have got an opportunity at 1st 5 for Wellington but they had all their eggs in the JGB basket too. If only the Hurricanes looked outside Wellington for alternatives...
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@bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:
Love should have got an opportunity at 1st 5 for Wellington but they had all their eggs in the JGB basket too. If only the Hurricanes looked outside Wellington for alternatives...
They have (looked outside). Leger is the outcome.
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@crucial said in Hurricanes 2021:
also find it baffling that Love wasn't given more time.
It would be a big ask of him. But its not like they are in contention for anything now. Except that is for last place.
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@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
@bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:
Love should have got an opportunity at 1st 5 for Wellington but they had all their eggs in the JGB basket too. If only the Hurricanes looked outside Wellington for alternatives...
They have (looked outside). Leger is the outcome.
The same Leger who hasn't even been playing 1st 5 for CM. He has been asked to fill a role because the alternatives who play in that position at NPC level have either left NZ or been ignored.
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@bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:
@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
@bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:
Love should have got an opportunity at 1st 5 for Wellington but they had all their eggs in the JGB basket too. If only the Hurricanes looked outside Wellington for alternatives...
They have (looked outside). Leger is the outcome.
The same Leger who hasn't even been playing 1st 5 for CM. He has been asked to fill a role because the alternatives who play in that position at NPC level have either left NZ or been ignored.
Yeah odd comment when the guy is listed in the squad as a midfielder.
He filled in during the pre-season and was adequate so they somehow believed that would be good enough in the comp when injuries hit. -
@bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:
@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
@bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:
Love should have got an opportunity at 1st 5 for Wellington but they had all their eggs in the JGB basket too. If only the Hurricanes looked outside Wellington for alternatives...
They have (looked outside). Leger is the outcome.
The same Leger who hasn't even been playing 1st 5 for CM. He has been asked to fill a role because the alternatives who play in that position at NPC level have either left NZ or been ignored.
Leger has filled-in at 1st 5 for the Chiefs, just FYI
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@kiwi_expat said in Hurricanes 2021:
@bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:
@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
@bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:
Love should have got an opportunity at 1st 5 for Wellington but they had all their eggs in the JGB basket too. If only the Hurricanes looked outside Wellington for alternatives...
They have (looked outside). Leger is the outcome.
The same Leger who hasn't even been playing 1st 5 for CM. He has been asked to fill a role because the alternatives who play in that position at NPC level have either left NZ or been ignored.
Leger has played at 1st 5 for the Chiefs before.
Yeah, we discussed this ages ago. He was a stopgap there too.
As I say, I can see the logic in using him but it was never going to be an optimum long term solution so they should have blooded others sooner. -
@kiwi_expat said in Hurricanes 2021:
Leger has filled-in at 1st 5 for the Chiefs, just FYI
Yes, a game I was at - the opener vs the Highlanders in 2019. As @Crucial says, it was a stop-gap as DMac, Falcon, Debreczeni and MMac were all unavailable due to injury. He played OK in that game but is a primarily a 2nd 5 since leaving school.
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@bovidae agree I reckon he'll be given the rains this weekend they have no choice but to throw him in the deep end I think he'd do well has the goods
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@canes4life yup Blackwell likely to start again and princeep who I don't mind tbh he's actually been playing well don't know why people hate on him
️ princeep ardie and Flanders would be our best against saders -
Unfortunately Leger is that bad I'm looking forward to JGB to return
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@berhamporeninja yeah I don’t mind Prinsep atm, it’s just having both him and Blackwell in the same pack really reduces our size and impact against bigger teams. Prinsep, Savea and Flanders look the best fit to me with Scrafton and IWL at lock. I’m getting a little sick of Kirifi and him being carded every second game. Hopefully Aumua makes a return from the pine aswell.
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@berhamporeninja nah JGB is mud. Hopefully Love takes his opportunity and those two are a thing of the past.
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@canes4life said in Hurricanes 2021:
@berhamporeninja nah JGB is mud. Hopefully Love takes his opportunity and those two are a thing of the past.
Don't agree with this (re JGB). He has the odd bad game but overall has performed well for the Canes. 3 or 4 levels better than Leger
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@winger yeah but he’s average when you compare him to the better 10s in the country. He would be a much better player if he had a little more gas. Seems to know what he wants to do but just can’t execute due to his size.
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@Winger Just saw Kirifi is the leading tackler at 63 for this years comp
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@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
@canes4life said in Hurricanes 2021:
@berhamporeninja nah JGB is mud. Hopefully Love takes his opportunity and those two are a thing of the past.
Don't agree with this (re JGB). He has the odd bad game but overall has performed well for the Canes. 3 or 4 levels better than Leger
Was never going to happen over golden boy JGB but would’ve rather Smith he offers more of the flair we need.
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@mikey07 probably needs a break to be fair. Yes he’s made a lot of tackles but he’s done a lot of dumb stuff in between during crucial moments of games.
Both matches against the Blues the Kirifi cards tipped the momentum towards the Blues, I’m not saying he cost us those games but he needs to be better at holding back some of that energy. Hopefully that comes with more experience.
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@berhamporeninja said in Hurricanes 2021:
@canes4life yup Blackwell likely to start again and princeep who I don't mind tbh he's actually been playing well don't know why people hate on him
️ princeep ardie and Flanders would be our best against sadersYeah, that's the trio I'd pick. Kirifi makes the loose-forward trio a bit unbalanced with Savea there too, as they are both pretty small players for loose forwards (both under 100kg). Flanders to start at 8, Savea back to 7 and Kirifi on the bench.
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@kiwi_expat that's how it was at the start of the season until they realised Kirifi was an even hotter head coming off the bench. Flanders just needs to start though, he's a too good a player to keep on the pine.
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Just saw on the Instagram story that’s Taumateine didn’t have a bib on so I’m guessing he’s starting team would look something like this
9.Taumateine
10.Love
11.Goosen
12.Laumape
13.PUJ
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@kiwi_expat said in Hurricanes 2021:
@berhamporeninja said in Hurricanes 2021:
@canes4life yup Blackwell likely to start again and princeep who I don't mind tbh he's actually been playing well don't know why people hate on him
️ princeep ardie and Flanders would be our best against sadersYeah, that's the trio I'd pick. Kirifi makes the loose-forward trio a bit unbalanced with Savea there too, as they are both pretty small players for loose forwards (both under 100kg). Flanders to start at 8, Savea back to 7 and Kirifi on the bench.
Your point still stands, but both Kirifi and Savea are listed as being over 100kg on the Canes website
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@canes4life said in Hurricanes 2021:
realised Kirifi was an even hotter head coming off the bench
He was terrible in the first game this year (vs Auckland) coming on as a replacement. Its an area Kirifi needs to work on as its not just a one-off issue. And now his other qualities don't make up for his hot-head momements.
I would give him a week off and try one of the other replacement 7 options. Esp if Fifita is back. And hope hes calmed down for the final 2 games.
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@mikey07 Campbell was the halfback in the video where the team were running plays.
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@winger I don't really get this perspective. JGB is in a word, average.
Do we want the Canes to win the comp, or finish mid table at best?
The Canes have too many favourites. I have no doubt guys like Prinsep & Blackwell give their all at training, but, they're just not very good.
I think what Thorn did with the Reds is the right way - get rid of dead wood, and pick young guys who may amount to something. You won't always get it right but it's better than being a middling franchise like the Canes are becoming
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@canes4life they had Taumateine without a bib on aswell running plays also, I don’t mind I got 5/6 right
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@foobanz said in Hurricanes 2021:
JGB is in a word, average.
As are most of the Canes firsts over the years. Barrett has been one shinning exception
But he
Defends well
Clears the line well
He was slowish but his speed has improved a lot. And maybe after the operation he will be faster still
He usually finds his man when he breaks the line (unlike Howell)
And hes strong and big enough to break the line at timesAnd great firsts don't grow on trees. So yes I would love a RM or DC. Or even a young Barrett. But we have to wait until hopefully Love proves to be Carter plus. Or even more realistically close to Carter and I would be a happier man
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@winger my point on this is more that if we select JGB calibre players, we won't win the comp - yet we do, week in and week out
it's just accepting mediocrity to me
McClutchie would have been a better choice pre season - he has more upside than JGB has.
JGB ain't gonna get any better
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@stargazer fuck it, he was awesome last game. Now just rest up for ABs
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Blackwell is guaranteed to start now as he seems to be the VC.
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@bovidae I think Coles will be the captain.
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@stargazer said in Hurricanes 2021:
I wonder whether that number of weeks might be less if they had just taken him off straight away.
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@gt12 Yep, I can understand why he wanted to play on, but already thought during the game that it was stupid to risk it. The coach should have had the balls to pull him. That, or they should fire the team doc.
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@stargazer said in Hurricanes 2021:
@gt12 Yep, I can understand why he wanted to play on, but already thought during the game that it was stupid to risk it. The coach should have had the balls to pull him.
Terrible lack of professionalism too; he's a very valuable asset that just shouldn't be risked in that situation.
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@stargazer I guess the problem is the Dr is going to go on what Ardie tells him/her, if Ardie plays down the pain or seriousness then they can only go on that.
I commented at the time I hope playing on wouldn't make it worse.
So how long is it before the canes findout how long they lose Laumape for?
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@taniwharugby I'm not sure he has been cited?
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@stargazer thought I saw a clip on the news about him being cited?
He damn well should be if not, was a RC offence
