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    All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11)

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    • Duluth
      Duluth last edited by

      3 votes

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      • Machpants
        Machpants last edited by

        Struggling to find a third

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        • taniwharugby
          taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

          Cane, Whitelock then a toss up between Goodhue and Smith, Goodhue didnt get much chance to do anything going forward but got through some work on defence, wins out over SMith who was good in the 1st half but wasnt as effective in the 2nd, Clarke clearly the best wing out there today for us

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          • No Quarter
            No Quarter last edited by

            Speaks volumes about Bridge's performance that Clarke is going to be in the top three for this poll.

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            • Chris
              Chris last edited by Chris

              Joe Moodey for me 2nd highest tackle count missed none.Strong at scrum time physical in the clean outs good game.I should say 3rd pick.

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              • chimoaus
                chimoaus last edited by

                Fuk me that was a struggle, who actually got MOM? Nic White must be up there.

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                • ACT Crusader
                  ACT Crusader last edited by ACT Crusader

                  Looking at the votes so far, it’s nice to know we have a few AB family members on the Fern...

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                  • MN5
                    MN5 @ACT Crusader last edited by MN5

                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                    Looking at the votes so far, it’s nice to know we have a few AB family members on the Fern...

                    I never knew Akira Ioane was a ferner, nice of him to vote for little bro, that’ll help the confidence

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                    • sparky
                      sparky last edited by

                      Cane, Smith, Moody

                      Thought Whitelock did well, plus Clarke and Sotutu off the bench.

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                      • Nepia
                        Nepia last edited by

                        Cane, Smith and DMac for me ... just rewatched the first half and he saved our bacon a bunch of times so he gets a vote and the haters can hate.

                        Clarke went well but he was on the field a short amount of time and his error was huge, it was through luck it didn't cost us the game.

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                        • voodoo
                          voodoo last edited by

                          Im not buying the Smith love. He's awesome, and has been incredible in SRA this year, but I dont think he was great tonight. His passing was pretty slow

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                          • Bones
                            Bones @Nepia last edited by

                            @Nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                            DMac for me ... just rewatched the first half and he saved our bacon a bunch of times so he gets a vote and the haters can hate.

                            He served up a try to Daugunu though. So many guys that played really well but made crucial mistakes.

                            Went with Ofa, Whitelock, Cane. Was struggling for the third though (Ofa).

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                            • Nepia
                              Nepia @Bones last edited by Nepia

                              @Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                              @Nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                              DMac for me ... just rewatched the first half and he saved our bacon a bunch of times so he gets a vote and the haters can hate.

                              He served up a try to Daugunu though. So many guys that played really well but made crucial mistakes.

                              Went with Ofa, Whitelock, Cane. Was struggling for the third though (Ofa).

                              Agree with this, some just get their mistakes focussed on more than others, hater. 😉

                              I may have overlooked Whitelock's shift as he was just getting on with his job where as Patty T was being rocks and diamonds.

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                              • J
                                junior @Nepia last edited by

                                @Nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                @Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                @Nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                DMac for me ... just rewatched the first half and he saved our bacon a bunch of times so he gets a vote and the haters can hate.

                                He served up a try to Daugunu though. So many guys that played really well but made crucial mistakes.

                                Went with Ofa, Whitelock, Cane. Was struggling for the third though (Ofa).

                                Agree with this, some just get their mistakes focussed on more than others, hater. 😉

                                I may have overlooked Whitelock's shift as he was just getting on with his job where as Patty T was being rocks and diamonds.

                                Whitelock put in a typical Whitelock performance. Unfortunately, we didn't have Brodie there doing Brodie things with him

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                                • gt12
                                  gt12 last edited by

                                  Anyone not voting for Cane can GTFO.

                                  I'm shocked that Moody doesn't have more votes. He was a machine on defence today. I would like to see more run metres out of him and Ofa, but since we hardly had the fucking ball, I can't really blame them for that.

                                  After that, I think we have multiple options - from his very brief body of work, I think Clarke showed he belongs at this level and can be a weapon. Terrible selecting is the only thing him not starting showed.

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                                  • J
                                    junior @gt12 last edited by

                                    @gt12 said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                    Anyone not voting for Cane can GTFO.

                                    I'm shocked that Moody doesn't have more votes. He was a machine on defence today. I would like to see more run metres out of him and Ofa, but since we hardly had the fucking ball, I can't really blame them for that.

                                    After that, I think we have multiple options - from his very brief body of work, I think Clarke showed he belongs at this level and can be a weapon. Terrible selecting is the only thing him not starting showed.

                                    Good point. It was actually annoying how little we used our muscle throughout the match to carry. I'm sure Whitelock had about 5 times as many carries as Pat T, which is just arse about face. I thought we actually started to use our forwards much better after the 80th minute, but even then we did the idiotic thing of giving the ball to Karl for the carry instead of someone better suited for it.

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                                    • mariner4life
                                      mariner4life @junior last edited by

                                      @junior said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                      @gt12 said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                      Anyone not voting for Cane can GTFO.

                                      I'm shocked that Moody doesn't have more votes. He was a machine on defence today. I would like to see more run metres out of him and Ofa, but since we hardly had the fucking ball, I can't really blame them for that.

                                      After that, I think we have multiple options - from his very brief body of work, I think Clarke showed he belongs at this level and can be a weapon. Terrible selecting is the only thing him not starting showed.

                                      Good point. It was actually annoying how little we used our muscle throughout the match to carry. I'm sure Whitelock had about 5 times as many carries as Pat T, which is just arse about face. I thought we actually started to use our forwards much better after the 80th minute, but even then we did the idiotic thing of giving the ball to Karl for the carry instead of someone better suited for it.

                                      the problem is, more than half of our selected forwards are actually no good at carrying in to the teeth. We are relying on too few to do the heavy lifting. 3 of the 4 props, 1 80 minute lock, and two of the loose forwards are next to useless if you are trying to smash your way through the gain line.

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                                      • canefan
                                        canefan @mariner4life last edited by

                                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                        @junior said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                        @gt12 said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                        Anyone not voting for Cane can GTFO.

                                        I'm shocked that Moody doesn't have more votes. He was a machine on defence today. I would like to see more run metres out of him and Ofa, but since we hardly had the fucking ball, I can't really blame them for that.

                                        After that, I think we have multiple options - from his very brief body of work, I think Clarke showed he belongs at this level and can be a weapon. Terrible selecting is the only thing him not starting showed.

                                        Good point. It was actually annoying how little we used our muscle throughout the match to carry. I'm sure Whitelock had about 5 times as many carries as Pat T, which is just arse about face. I thought we actually started to use our forwards much better after the 80th minute, but even then we did the idiotic thing of giving the ball to Karl for the carry instead of someone better suited for it.

                                        the problem is, more than half of our selected forwards are actually no good at carrying in to the teeth. We are relying on too few to do the heavy lifting. 3 of the 4 props, 1 80 minute lock, and two of the loose forwards are next to useless if you are trying to smash your way through the gain line.

                                        That is a major problem if we want to see our ABs take it up the guts then!! We had a notable lack of penetration in the forwards yesterday

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                                        • mariner4life
                                          mariner4life @canefan last edited by

                                          @canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                          @junior said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                          @gt12 said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                          Anyone not voting for Cane can GTFO.

                                          I'm shocked that Moody doesn't have more votes. He was a machine on defence today. I would like to see more run metres out of him and Ofa, but since we hardly had the fucking ball, I can't really blame them for that.

                                          After that, I think we have multiple options - from his very brief body of work, I think Clarke showed he belongs at this level and can be a weapon. Terrible selecting is the only thing him not starting showed.

                                          Good point. It was actually annoying how little we used our muscle throughout the match to carry. I'm sure Whitelock had about 5 times as many carries as Pat T, which is just arse about face. I thought we actually started to use our forwards much better after the 80th minute, but even then we did the idiotic thing of giving the ball to Karl for the carry instead of someone better suited for it.

                                          the problem is, more than half of our selected forwards are actually no good at carrying in to the teeth. We are relying on too few to do the heavy lifting. 3 of the 4 props, 1 80 minute lock, and two of the loose forwards are next to useless if you are trying to smash your way through the gain line.

                                          That is a major problem if we want to see our ABs take it up the guts then!! We had a notable lack of penetration in the forwards yesterday nearly every test since 2018

                                          FTFY

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                                          • canefan
                                            canefan @mariner4life last edited by

                                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                            @canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                            @junior said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                            @gt12 said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                            Anyone not voting for Cane can GTFO.

                                            I'm shocked that Moody doesn't have more votes. He was a machine on defence today. I would like to see more run metres out of him and Ofa, but since we hardly had the fucking ball, I can't really blame them for that.

                                            After that, I think we have multiple options - from his very brief body of work, I think Clarke showed he belongs at this level and can be a weapon. Terrible selecting is the only thing him not starting showed.

                                            Good point. It was actually annoying how little we used our muscle throughout the match to carry. I'm sure Whitelock had about 5 times as many carries as Pat T, which is just arse about face. I thought we actually started to use our forwards much better after the 80th minute, but even then we did the idiotic thing of giving the ball to Karl for the carry instead of someone better suited for it.

                                            the problem is, more than half of our selected forwards are actually no good at carrying in to the teeth. We are relying on too few to do the heavy lifting. 3 of the 4 props, 1 80 minute lock, and two of the loose forwards are next to useless if you are trying to smash your way through the gain line.

                                            That is a major problem if we want to see our ABs take it up the guts then!! We had a notable lack of penetration in the forwards yesterday nearly every test since 2018

                                            FTFY

                                            Yokohama

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                                            • Bovidae
                                              Bovidae last edited by

                                              This poll should be Cane then daylight.

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                                              • Machpants
                                                Machpants @Bovidae last edited by

                                                @Bovidae said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                This poll should be Cane then daylight.

                                                It is, he's over double the next, more than 2 and 3 together.

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                                                • Nepia
                                                  Nepia @Bovidae last edited by

                                                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                  This poll should be Cane then daylight.

                                                  It basically is, he's actually so far ahead that it's too hard to check if any numbnuts didn't vote for him like can be done in previous MoTM polls.

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                                                  • Yeetyaah
                                                    Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                    Who's voting for Clarke? Dude was good but he was only on the field for 18 minutes.

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                                                    • NTA
                                                      NTA last edited by

                                                      I'd like to vote for Sam cane 3 times please

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                                                      • Bovidae
                                                        Bovidae @Machpants last edited by

                                                        @Machpants said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                        Struggling to find a third

                                                        Gus?

                                                        I voted before looking at the results.

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                                                        • KiwiMurph
                                                          KiwiMurph last edited by

                                                          Cane by a country mile, Whitelock, Moody.

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                                                          • KiwiMurph
                                                            KiwiMurph @mariner4life last edited by KiwiMurph

                                                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                            @junior said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                            @gt12 said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                            Anyone not voting for Cane can GTFO.

                                                            I'm shocked that Moody doesn't have more votes. He was a machine on defence today. I would like to see more run metres out of him and Ofa, but since we hardly had the fucking ball, I can't really blame them for that.

                                                            After that, I think we have multiple options - from his very brief body of work, I think Clarke showed he belongs at this level and can be a weapon. Terrible selecting is the only thing him not starting showed.

                                                            Good point. It was actually annoying how little we used our muscle throughout the match to carry. I'm sure Whitelock had about 5 times as many carries as Pat T, which is just arse about face. I thought we actually started to use our forwards much better after the 80th minute, but even then we did the idiotic thing of giving the ball to Karl for the carry instead of someone better suited for it.

                                                            the problem is, more than half of our selected forwards are actually no good at carrying in to the teeth. We are relying on too few to do the heavy lifting. 3 of the 4 props, 1 80 minute lock, and two of the loose forwards are next to useless if you are trying to smash your way through the gain line.

                                                            The other problem is there was no variation/subtlety to the ABs attack. For most of the game they stand a forward/pod out at first receiver and biff it to him and expect him to make metres. Finally at the very end they started showing some variation (e.g. pick and drive, short side etc) and got reward.

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                                                            • nzzp
                                                              nzzp @Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                              @Yeetyaah said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                              Who's voting for Clarke? Dude was good but he was only on the field for 18 minutes.

                                                              me!

                                                              He was eye catching; in hindsight I'd vote for Moody. Clarke showed up the shitty selections, and made an impact. And dropped a ball of course, but made an impact

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                                                              • number9
                                                                number9 last edited by

                                                                Cane, Cane, Cane no one else deserves a vote.

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                                                                • mariner4life
                                                                  mariner4life @nzzp last edited by

                                                                  @nzzp said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                                  @Yeetyaah said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                                  Who's voting for Clarke? Dude was good but he was only on the field for 18 minutes.

                                                                  me!

                                                                  He was eye catching; in hindsight I'd vote for Moody. Clarke showed up the shitty selections, and made an impact. And dropped a ball of course, but made an impact

                                                                  Moody getting votes is a fucking prblem. We were so bad a guy who scrums okay without dominating, offers basically zero in attack, and makes lots of safe, but not dominant tackles, is among our best 3 players. He's a role player who is there to make sure we don't lose. His best contribution was holding back slipper for our 2nd try.

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                                                                  • Bovidae
                                                                    Bovidae @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                                    Moody getting votes is a fucking prblem. We were so bad a guy who scrums okay without dominating, offers basically zero in attack, and makes lots of safe, but not dominant tackles, is among our best 3 players. He's a role player who is there to make sure we don't lose. His best contribution was holding back slipper for our 2nd try.

                                                                    The fact that Lomax was more effective as a ball-carrier in his shorter time on the field than either starting prop is a big concern. Ofa's biggest highlight was getting badly stepped by Bieber.

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                                                                    • antipodean
                                                                      antipodean last edited by antipodean

                                                                      We don't have a surfeit of ball playing, mobile props you can trust first and foremost to hold up a scrum. I prefer we pick two props who are content with being reliably damaging scrummagers and defenders. Get the mobility and ball playing elsewhere.

                                                                      It might help if our structure wasn't readable by Helen Keller too. Then our props might be on the front foot carrying into a defence that is on its heels making bad decisions.

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                                                                      • gt12
                                                                        gt12 @antipodean last edited by gt12

                                                                        @antipodean

                                                                        I haven't checked tape or anything, but I feel like we expect our props to be part of the attack structure (often being a key passer in the attack line) rather than being the person used in the attack.

                                                                        Especially last year, we often had Owen Franks playing relatively wide, passing it as part of the formation, rather than carting it up.

                                                                        Now, that probably means that we have big guys spread over the field for cleaning etc., but they are operating as fringe players on attack (pass, clean) in a relatively easy to identify pattern for opposition defenders. Edit: It does suit the role of a Franks, and has sadly become part of the way Moody is being used (he can be used as a rummer well, we just haven't been doing a good job of it). Ofa also can be a running threat. I think we just need a better structure (and more variety).

                                                                        Then on defense, if they stay in that position, these guys have often been getting attacked as mismatches. Oz did that a couple of times really well on the weekend.

                                                                        I wish Moli had stayed healthy (and improved his scrummaging) as he could be a real difference maker in the last 20. Ta'avao was another for the Chiefs who we got a lot of running out of, but his deficiencies get shown up at test level.

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                                                                        • ACT Crusader
                                                                          ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                          @Bovidae @mariner4life ball carrying props is overrated, ask Owen.

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                                                                          • mariner4life
                                                                            mariner4life @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                            @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                                            @Bovidae @mariner4life ball carrying props is overrated, ask Owen.

                                                                            the fact the poms have two who can scrum and run fucks me off no end.

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                                                                            • Chris
                                                                              Chris @gt12 last edited by Chris

                                                                              @gt12 said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                                              @antipodean

                                                                              I haven't checked tape or anything, but I feel like we expect our props to be part of the attack structure (often being a key passer in the attack line) rather than being the person used in the attack.

                                                                              Especially last year, we often had Owen Franks playing relatively wide, passing it as part of the formation, rather than carting it up.

                                                                              Now, that probably means that we have big guys spread over the field for cleaning etc., but they are operating as fringe players on attack (pass, clean) in a relatively easy to identify pattern for opposition defenders. Edit: It does suit the role of a Franks, and has sadly become part of the way Moody is being used (he can be used as a rummer well, we just haven't been doing a good job of it). Ofa also can be a running threat. I think we just need a better structure (and more variety).

                                                                              Then on defense, if they stay in that position, these guys have often been getting attacked as mismatches. Oz did that a couple of times really well on the weekend.

                                                                              I wish Moli had stayed healthy (and improved his scrummaging) as he could be a real difference maker in the last 20. Ta'avao was another for the Chiefs who we got a lot of running out of, but his deficiencies get shown up at test level.

                                                                              You have 100% nailed it our props are not used in attack thats why they have no running stats ,they are used as passers or decoys it takes away our ability to get over the advantage line.Aussie used their props in a completely different way than we did.

                                                                              Ofa and Moodey are more than capable of getting us go forward if given a chance to.

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                                                                              • gt12
                                                                                gt12 @Chris last edited by

                                                                                @Chris said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                                                @gt12 said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                                                @antipodean

                                                                                I haven't checked tape or anything, but I feel like we expect our props to be part of the attack structure (often being a key passer in the attack line) rather than being the person used in the attack.

                                                                                Especially last year, we often had Owen Franks playing relatively wide, passing it as part of the formation, rather than carting it up.

                                                                                Now, that probably means that we have big guys spread over the field for cleaning etc., but they are operating as fringe players on attack (pass, clean) in a relatively easy to identify pattern for opposition defenders. Edit: It does suit the role of a Franks, and has sadly become part of the way Moody is being used (he can be used as a rummer well, we just haven't been doing a good job of it). Ofa also can be a running threat. I think we just need a better structure (and more variety).

                                                                                Then on defense, if they stay in that position, these guys have often been getting attacked as mismatches. Oz did that a couple of times really well on the weekend.

                                                                                I wish Moli had stayed healthy (and improved his scrummaging) as he could be a real difference maker in the last 20. Ta'avao was another for the Chiefs who we got a lot of running out of, but his deficiencies get shown up at test level.

                                                                                You have 100% nailed it our props are not used in attack thats why they have no running stats ,they are used as passers or decoys it takes away our ability to get over the advantage line.Aussie used their props in a completely different way than we did.

                                                                                Ofa and Moodey are more than capable of getting us go forward if given a chance to.

                                                                                Yes and no - they actually used Tupou as a runner and passer (and he's a great passer - 8 passes, more htan any other tight forward out there), but he was also in the line most of the time so a defensive threat too. You're right that we got nothing out of our starting props - literally zero metres from both of them according to ESPN (17 from Lomax, 2 from big Karl).

                                                                                Tuipolotu's lack of run metres jumps out too - 5 passes, 4 runs, 2 metres, 1 defender beaten. I'm not sure having him as a the passing athletic (BBBR) lock is a great idea - just give him the job of getting metres.

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                                                                                • MN5
                                                                                  MN5 @Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                                                  @Yeetyaah said in All Blacks MOTM v Aus (Oct 11):

                                                                                  Who's voting for Clarke? Dude was good but he was only on the field for 18 minutes.

                                                                                  I did.

                                                                                  18 minutes of quality penetration with one big mistake is still much better than 80 minutes of clueless fumbling around without breaking the line.

                                                                                  Sounds just like my love life really.

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                                                                                  • ACT Crusader
                                                                                    ACT Crusader @gt12 last edited by

                                                                                    @gt12 is Tuipoluto that ball running lock anymore? Earlier on in his career he was fantastic off the bench for the ABs and made us metres.

                                                                                    From what I saw this year for the Blues he has become more a hard graft type in the Brad Thorn mould.

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