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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@phoenetia
There would have been a lot of people who could have done this who were not regarded by Comey as his "mentor" and Mueller regarding Comey as his "protege". Rosenstein also could have chosen someone who had not worked closely with Comey for many years. It is absurd he was even considered. There should not even be a hint of a personal relationship. In this case, you are asking are they good buds? That is a very low standard. There is doubt, so he should never have been chosen.
That would be the rosenstein who 'fired' comey? Whose credentials and decision making was strongly defended by trump supporters on here at that time? Or are we accepting trump's own words that he was just going to do it regardless anyway now, because of the Russia thing?
Comey is a witness. He's not under investigation.
There's no reason Mueller isn't qualified for the job, it is just typical undercutting of the people investigating something in case they find something you don't like.His credentials were fine. They are now undermined because any special prosecutor should not have a significant relationship to any key witness.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@phoenetia
There would have been a lot of people who could have done this who were not regarded by Comey as his "mentor" and Mueller regarding Comey as his "protege". Rosenstein also could have chosen someone who had not worked closely with Comey for many years. It is absurd he was even considered. There should not even be a hint of a personal relationship. In this case, you are asking are they good buds? That is a very low standard. There is doubt, so he should never have been chosen.
That would be the rosenstein who 'fired' comey? Whose credentials and decision making was strongly defended by trump supporters on here at that time? Or are we accepting trump's own words that he was just going to do it regardless anyway now, because of the Russia thing?
Comey is a witness. He's not under investigation.
There's no reason Mueller isn't qualified for the job, it is just typical undercutting of the people investigating something in case they find something you don't like.His credentials were fine. They are now undermined because any special prosecutor should not have a significant relationship to any key witness.
And that's ignoring some of his other dubious hiring decisions.so like rosenstein then. was fine. totally independent. great credentials. universally well-regarded. men of known integrity.
until they started doing things you don't like. in situations they know far, far more about than you do. then they're compromised, dodgy, corrupt. while the guys being caught lying are sweet as. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
And the whole argument that even if he dud receive information it was illegal turns out to be bullshit. No shock really. This guy is a left wing Hilary supporter.....
And....as it turns out, this former liberal darling, is being rejected for publication by the NY Times because he presents an opposing view on the legality of Trump Jr's actions.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@phoenetia
There would have been a lot of people who could have done this who were not regarded by Comey as his "mentor" and Mueller regarding Comey as his "protege". Rosenstein also could have chosen someone who had not worked closely with Comey for many years. It is absurd he was even considered. There should not even be a hint of a personal relationship. In this case, you are asking are they good buds? That is a very low standard. There is doubt, so he should never have been chosen.
That would be the rosenstein who 'fired' comey? Whose credentials and decision making was strongly defended by trump supporters on here at that time? Or are we accepting trump's own words that he was just going to do it regardless anyway now, because of the Russia thing?
Comey is a witness. He's not under investigation.
There's no reason Mueller isn't qualified for the job, it is just typical undercutting of the people investigating something in case they find something you don't like.His credentials were fine. They are now undermined because any special prosecutor should not have a significant relationship to any key witness.
And that's ignoring some of his other dubious hiring decisions.so like rosenstein then. was fine. totally independent. great credentials. universally well-regarded. men of known integrity.
until they started doing things you don't like. in situations they know far, far more about than you do. then they're compromised, dodgy, corrupt. while the guys being caught lying are sweet as.Ok now you are just making stuff up that you wish I had said.
It is a well known precedent to recuse yourself form any legal case or investigation if you have close ties to a main player.
Muellers character being good and him being compromised are not mutually exclusive things. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@phoenetia
There would have been a lot of people who could have done this who were not regarded by Comey as his "mentor" and Mueller regarding Comey as his "protege". Rosenstein also could have chosen someone who had not worked closely with Comey for many years. It is absurd he was even considered. There should not even be a hint of a personal relationship. In this case, you are asking are they good buds? That is a very low standard. There is doubt, so he should never have been chosen.
That would be the rosenstein who 'fired' comey? Whose credentials and decision making was strongly defended by trump supporters on here at that time? Or are we accepting trump's own words that he was just going to do it regardless anyway now, because of the Russia thing?
Comey is a witness. He's not under investigation.
There's no reason Mueller isn't qualified for the job, it is just typical undercutting of the people investigating something in case they find something you don't like.His credentials were fine. They are now undermined because any special prosecutor should not have a significant relationship to any key witness.
And that's ignoring some of his other dubious hiring decisions.so like rosenstein then. was fine. totally independent. great credentials. universally well-regarded. men of known integrity.
until they started doing things you don't like. in situations they know far, far more about than you do. then they're compromised, dodgy, corrupt. while the guys being caught lying are sweet as.Ok now you are just making stuff up that you wish I had said.
It is a well known precedent to recuse yourself form any legal case or investigation if you have close ties to a main player.
Muellers character being good and him being compromised are not mutually exclusive things.ah right, so similar to how Sessions shouldn't have been involved in firing Comey you mean - which you defended.
Why are you critical of his hirings as well then? That has nothing to do with his supposed relationship with Comney. Is that incompetence, corruption, something else? -
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
And the whole argument that even if he dud receive information it was illegal turns out to be bullshit. No shock really. This guy is a left wing Hilary supporter.....
And....as it turns out, this former liberal darling, is being rejected for publication by the NY Times because he presents an opposing view on the legality of Trump Jr's actions.
there are quite a number of republicans pretty bloody negative on the whole trump jr thing too frank.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
And the whole argument that even if he dud receive information it was illegal turns out to be bullshit. No shock really. This guy is a left wing Hilary supporter.....
And....as it turns out, this former liberal darling, is being rejected for publication by the NY Times because he presents an opposing view on the legality of Trump Jr's actions.
there are quite a number of republicans pretty bloody negative on the whole trump jr thing too frank.
You obviously didn't read the article.
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I listened to the Sam Harris Triggered podcast on Trump with Scott Adams last night / this morning. The first hour wasn't too bad but the second hour I found my interest waive. I found often that the varying pace of the discussion resulted in many topics only being explored superficially. It didnt help that Harris at times didn't really seem to be listening and seemed more intent on talking. Adams certainly did far better in that regard and his composure was far more measured than Harris.
It'll be interesting to see what Adams position is in another 6 months if Trump has still failed to deliver on his promises. Hopefully he isnt a goal post shifter.
I did laugh after Harris implored Adams to discuss his two movie analogy, Harris then raises an analogy as a counter argument to which Adams rebuts by discrediting all analogies.
I didn't find the idea that Trump is some kind ofconmanmastermind persuader who is going to figure things out as he goes along to be very convincing; Ive just not seen any evidence that Trump is learning anything of substance and I dont see that Trumps track record supports this reasoning. -
Trump is ending CIA program of arming "moderates" in Syria.
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Russia conspiracy nonsense does not matter. It is a media and democrat driven nonsense.
Healthcare matters, and Trump is falling at sorting it out. Blaming that on Democrats won't fly. Healthcare and economy is what will make it break the mid terms. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Healthcare matters, and Trump is falling at sorting it out. Blaming that on Democrats won't fly.
Yup, healthcare is the important one.
I think the other promises can be fudged. Some strengthening of the border can be called a wall.. if the economy does well the supporters will forget the anti capitalist promises on trade..
If you look back to January the consensus opinion amongst Republicans was to repeal, delay, replace. Trump mistakenly listened to a handful of senators who wanted everything done at once. That was a tactical error and now they are trying to resurrect the repeal, delay, replace and months have been wasted.
The problem here is trying to remove a new entitlement. Politicians are cowards and they are willing to remove taxes but not benefits. So that is why the recent plan was just Obamacare with a few tweaks.
There are reasonable plans that have been proposed. However I think the President needs to endorse one of them and spend some political capital making the case for it. Much like Obama did (for a really shitty law) back in the first year of his Presidency.
The 'bully pulpit' can ease the pressure on law makers who face elections next year. If the President remains disengaged on this, the process will fail again and it will be hard for his term to recover.
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Sad news breaking about John McCain - turns out he has brain cancer and the operation last week also removed a brain tumour as well as the blood clot.
Cant see him returning to in the next couple of weeks and if its much longer, it'll add to the difficulty the GOP are currently facing with their healthcare reform. -
@phoenetia said in US Politics:
Sad news breaking about John McCain - turns out he has brain cancer and the operation last week also removed a brain tumour as well as the blood clot.
Cant see him returning to in the next couple of weeks and if its much longer, it'll add to the difficulty the GOP are currently facing with their healthcare reform.I don't wish cancer on him, but it's about time he retired.
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I see that Mr Foot-in-mouth, Sean Spicer is now gone. A bit of a weird appointment in the first place really, so no great surprise.
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@Catogrande
The new Communications Director is a bulldog.
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