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  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    To his adversaries, sacking Comey made Trump look like he was hiding something.
    Telling Lester Holt that it was because of the "Russia thing" reaffirmed their suspicions and made the job of his administration much harder.
    Everyone had all but forgotten about the "scandalous dossier", now we're talking about it again and not only that, we now know that the FBI are still actively investigating it.
    Like many headlines during Trumps presidency, this is largely a mess of Trump's own making but you'll never hear him say it.

    Again, I agree he should shut tfu and stop giving others ammunition. But I find it hard to accept that this whole "Russia stole/hacked/influenced/bought the election" or the accusations of Trump being some kind of Russian puppet are something he's brought upon himself. This was a narrative cooked up by the losers and happily run with the Democratic party and large sections of the media. Arguing that Trump deserves it because he's such a dick is a pretty farking weak argument.

    I don't believe Trump has been colluding with the Russians in regards to hacking the election.
    I wouldnt say Trump deserves it because he's a dick, I would argue that Trump planted the seeds for the democrats to sow by way of his continuous praise / defence of Putin / Russia, his denial of US intelligence findings claiming that Russia was hacking America, his lies about his business dealings with Russia and his refusal to release his tax returns (which would either exculpate or incriminate him). This might all be innocent however Trump has a history of being a dodgy businessman, he has done little to win over the trust of the American people and instead seems to have flaunted his disregard for their concerns.
    This timeline is good for a refresher:
    http://www.politico.com/trump-russia-ties-scandal-guide/timeline-of-events

    I had all but forgotten about his callout to Russia to hack Hillary (I'm not claiming it was a legitimate request but this is the kind of absurdly dumb shit that gives political opponents ammunition).

    I disagree with much of that, but your opinion so fair enough.

    I do take issue with 'flaunting the American peoples concerns'... I doubt most care either way. And those that do care are likely entrenched.
    All this circumstantial evidence which IMO is completely hopeless, has just led to entrenchment... and apathy.

    Anyone sane now knows that Trump is not a pawn of Putin, and that was the basis of all of this. The bedrock has fallen away form the whole narrative... so they switch narrative. We are going to have 4 more years of this. Does Trump help himself.. nope.

    Does it not concern you that the media went all in on such a completely and utterly false narrative?

    I am starting to think we would have had the same sort of propaganda war if Cruz, Bush or Rubio had won.

    Not sure you remember, but think back to how Bush the younger was treated by the media. MSM are democrats through and through.

    As I see it, birtherism, benghazi and those emails have been swapped for "the Russia probe".
    I don't think the Republicans are getting any worse from the Democrats than what they gave. It's only been 4 months though...
    Out of all of this, what has surprised me the most is how many Republicans flipped their opinions on Russia seemingly overnight. Thats been really weird and not something I thought Id ever see in my lifetime.



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    To his adversaries, sacking Comey made Trump look like he was hiding something.
    Telling Lester Holt that it was because of the "Russia thing" reaffirmed their suspicions and made the job of his administration much harder.
    Everyone had all but forgotten about the "scandalous dossier", now we're talking about it again and not only that, we now know that the FBI are still actively investigating it.
    Like many headlines during Trumps presidency, this is largely a mess of Trump's own making but you'll never hear him say it.

    Again, I agree he should shut tfu and stop giving others ammunition. But I find it hard to accept that this whole "Russia stole/hacked/influenced/bought the election" or the accusations of Trump being some kind of Russian puppet are something he's brought upon himself. This was a narrative cooked up by the losers and happily run with the Democratic party and large sections of the media. Arguing that Trump deserves it because he's such a dick is a pretty farking weak argument.

    I don't believe Trump has been colluding with the Russians in regards to hacking the election.
    I wouldnt say Trump deserves it because he's a dick, I would argue that Trump planted the seeds for the democrats to sow by way of his continuous praise / defence of Putin / Russia, his denial of US intelligence findings claiming that Russia was hacking America, his lies about his business dealings with Russia and his refusal to release his tax returns (which would either exculpate or incriminate him). This might all be innocent however Trump has a history of being a dodgy businessman, he has done little to win over the trust of the American people and instead seems to have flaunted his disregard for their concerns.
    This timeline is good for a refresher:
    http://www.politico.com/trump-russia-ties-scandal-guide/timeline-of-events

    I had all but forgotten about his callout to Russia to hack Hillary (I'm not claiming it was a legitimate request but this is the kind of absurdly dumb shit that gives political opponents ammunition).

    You don't believe that and I'm pretty farking sure the media and the Democrats don't believe that, yet they're making the most preposterous claims based on zero evidence. Even if Trump has said some dumb shit, that hardly justifies this kind of backlash. The argument that he brought it on himself just doesn't cut it in this instance.
    I'm saying he is his own worst enemy. A career politician wouldn't make such stupid mistakes and these faults are unique to Trump.
    Who needs to be told that you shouldn't publicly invite the Russians to hack the US Government? It's so absurd.


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    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    To his adversaries, sacking Comey made Trump look like he was hiding something.
    Telling Lester Holt that it was because of the "Russia thing" reaffirmed their suspicions and made the job of his administration much harder.
    Everyone had all but forgotten about the "scandalous dossier", now we're talking about it again and not only that, we now know that the FBI are still actively investigating it.
    Like many headlines during Trumps presidency, this is largely a mess of Trump's own making but you'll never hear him say it.

    Again, I agree he should shut tfu and stop giving others ammunition. But I find it hard to accept that this whole "Russia stole/hacked/influenced/bought the election" or the accusations of Trump being some kind of Russian puppet are something he's brought upon himself. This was a narrative cooked up by the losers and happily run with the Democratic party and large sections of the media. Arguing that Trump deserves it because he's such a dick is a pretty farking weak argument.

    I don't believe Trump has been colluding with the Russians in regards to hacking the election.
    I wouldnt say Trump deserves it because he's a dick, I would argue that Trump planted the seeds for the democrats to sow by way of his continuous praise / defence of Putin / Russia, his denial of US intelligence findings claiming that Russia was hacking America, his lies about his business dealings with Russia and his refusal to release his tax returns (which would either exculpate or incriminate him). This might all be innocent however Trump has a history of being a dodgy businessman, he has done little to win over the trust of the American people and instead seems to have flaunted his disregard for their concerns.
    This timeline is good for a refresher:
    http://www.politico.com/trump-russia-ties-scandal-guide/timeline-of-events

    I had all but forgotten about his callout to Russia to hack Hillary (I'm not claiming it was a legitimate request but this is the kind of absurdly dumb shit that gives political opponents ammunition).

    You don't believe that and I'm pretty farking sure the media and the Democrats don't believe that, yet they're making the most preposterous claims based on zero evidence. Even if Trump has said some dumb shit, that hardly justifies this kind of backlash. The argument that he brought it on himself just doesn't cut it in this instance.
    I'm saying he is his own worst enemy. A career politician wouldn't make such stupid mistakes and these faults are unique to Trump.
    Who needs to be told that you shouldn't publicly invite the Russians to hack the US Government? It's so absurd.

    I think there's a general consensus here that he's his own worst enemy and has a serious case of foot-in-mouth disease, but that still doesn't justify these kinds of absurd conspiracy theories. It's one thing to, for example, discuss the feasibility of building his wall or his travel ban, but it's completely batshit crazy to claim or even speculate that he's under the control of the Kremlin.


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    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    To his adversaries, sacking Comey made Trump look like he was hiding something.
    Telling Lester Holt that it was because of the "Russia thing" reaffirmed their suspicions and made the job of his administration much harder.
    Everyone had all but forgotten about the "scandalous dossier", now we're talking about it again and not only that, we now know that the FBI are still actively investigating it.
    Like many headlines during Trumps presidency, this is largely a mess of Trump's own making but you'll never hear him say it.

    Again, I agree he should shut tfu and stop giving others ammunition. But I find it hard to accept that this whole "Russia stole/hacked/influenced/bought the election" or the accusations of Trump being some kind of Russian puppet are something he's brought upon himself. This was a narrative cooked up by the losers and happily run with the Democratic party and large sections of the media. Arguing that Trump deserves it because he's such a dick is a pretty farking weak argument.

    I don't believe Trump has been colluding with the Russians in regards to hacking the election.
    I wouldnt say Trump deserves it because he's a dick, I would argue that Trump planted the seeds for the democrats to sow by way of his continuous praise / defence of Putin / Russia, his denial of US intelligence findings claiming that Russia was hacking America, his lies about his business dealings with Russia and his refusal to release his tax returns (which would either exculpate or incriminate him). This might all be innocent however Trump has a history of being a dodgy businessman, he has done little to win over the trust of the American people and instead seems to have flaunted his disregard for their concerns.
    This timeline is good for a refresher:
    http://www.politico.com/trump-russia-ties-scandal-guide/timeline-of-events

    I had all but forgotten about his callout to Russia to hack Hillary (I'm not claiming it was a legitimate request but this is the kind of absurdly dumb shit that gives political opponents ammunition).

    I disagree with much of that, but your opinion so fair enough.

    I do take issue with 'flaunting the American peoples concerns'... I doubt most care either way. And those that do care are likely entrenched.
    All this circumstantial evidence which IMO is completely hopeless, has just led to entrenchment... and apathy.

    Anyone sane now knows that Trump is not a pawn of Putin, and that was the basis of all of this. The bedrock has fallen away form the whole narrative... so they switch narrative. We are going to have 4 more years of this. Does Trump help himself.. nope.

    Does it not concern you that the media went all in on such a completely and utterly false narrative?

    I am starting to think we would have had the same sort of propaganda war if Cruz, Bush or Rubio had won.

    Not sure you remember, but think back to how Bush the younger was treated by the media. MSM are democrats through and through.

    As I see it, birtherism, benghazi and those emails have been swapped for "the Russia probe".
    I don't think the Republicans are getting any worse from the Democrats than what they gave. It's only been 4 months though...
    Out of all of this, what has surprised me the most is how many Republicans flipped their opinions on Russia seemingly overnight. Thats been really weird and not something I thought Id ever see in my lifetime.

    Yes it's astonishing how what we see these days from the so-called "proper and impartial" news sources so closely resembles the type of shit dredged up about Obama by two-bit rightwing blogs.

    "The 80s called, they want their foreign policy back."

    Now who said that and why? If you want to marvel over a Russia flip take a gander at how the Democrats are demonising them more now than when they were the bloody Soviet Union.



  • So... a Bernie -supporting psychopath who loves the Rachel Maddow show and identifies with The Resistance has been incited to target and shoot Republicans at a softball game. It's been inevitable and a long-time coming, as establishment idiots have been winking to sociopaths for a year that violence against conservatives is acceptable. Operation Vakyrie against Orange Adolf. Sanders and Maddow and cohort will undoubtedly call it the actions of a single nut who in n respect should be representative of liberals as a ghroup, and that is true. But ifv same had happened where an Obama-hater was shooting at libs, you'd better believe they'd be blaming Roger Stone.



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    To his adversaries, sacking Comey made Trump look like he was hiding something.

    That's why we sentence at the end of a trial after evidence has been shown, not sentenced befrore ANY evidence has even been discovered. The latter is the Stalinist show trial - show me the man, I'll build you a case. Sadly most Dems prefer Stalin.

    I am starting to think we would have had the same sort of propaganda war if Cruz, Bush or Rubio had won.

    Yes, but not anywhere remotely close to the abuse seeing now. Bush, Rubio and to a lesser extent Cruz are all establishment toadies. And make no mistake, the #Resistance is a propaganda war cooked-up by the #Establishment (Dems, globalists, neocons, Military-industrial-complex, deep state).

    "The 80s called, they want their foreign policy back."

    Romney took heaps of abuse for that. His Dem opponents believed themselves especially superior in their mockery for that one.



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  • Tomorrow will be the One Year 2nd Year Anniversary of Donald descending the escalator. Amazing how many minds have been blown and heads exploded in a single two year(s)

    Keep on rocking in the free world.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:

    So... a Bernie -supporting psychopath who loves the Rachel Maddow show and identifies with The Resistance has been incited to target and shoot Republicans at a softball game. It's been inevitable and a long-time coming, as establishment idiots have been winking to sociopaths for a year that violence against conservatives is acceptable. Operation Vakyrie against Orange Adolf. Sanders and Maddow and cohort will undoubtedly call it the actions of a single nut who in n respect should be representative of liberals as a ghroup, and that is true. But ifv same had happened where an Obama-hater was shooting at libs, you'd better believe they'd be blaming Roger Stone.

    "Part of the problem ... is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore."
    "I'll beat the crap out of you."
    "The audience hit back. That's what we need a little bit more of."
    "In the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough."
    "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."
    "I'd like to punch him in the face."
    "Maybe he should have been roughed up."
    "I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will."

    Not exactly what I would call winking.



  • Rand tells a gripping scary eye-witness story.

    Sen. Rand Paul Recounts Congressional Baseball Practice Shooting | Morning Joe | MSNBC



  • Awkward.

    ".@Judgenap: Why do we have a Second Amendment? It's not to shoot deer. It's to shoot at the government when it becomes tyrannical!"



  • @phoenetia
    Not sure you understand the meaning of "tyrannical".



  • It's being reported that the Special Counsel has now broadened its investigation to include whether Trump obstructed justice.
    It'll be fascinating to see how this proceeds. Will we see Trump dial down his Twitter rants? Or will he do the ol Trump counter punch?
    If the investigation continues, it seems highly likely that Trump will be required to give sworn testimony which I assume will lead to questions around financial dealings with Russia and therefore tax returns.

    All that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump still tries to fire Mueller.



  • @Frank

    I think the point might be that if you, as a member of the government, encourage people to have guns with the purpose of using them against the government, don't be surprised when they use them against you.

    'Tyrannical'* is a subjective and individual decision, which some loser wackos can interpret to mean they can shoot innocent lawmakers.

    That's fucked up, but their system allows wackos to get guns and these guys have never been interested in doing anything about it.

    To paraphrase Jeffries, it's a bit hard to protect yourself and shoot back when you're trying to steal second.

    *exercising power in a cruel or arbitrary way.
    E.g., "a tyrannical government"



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    @phoenetia
    Not sure you understand the meaning of "tyrannical".

    What I understand is irrelevant because Im not a gun toting American patriot.
    Hodgkinson obviously felt otherwise and decided he needed to do something about it.
    FWIW, I'm not justifying Hodgkinsons actions but it will be interesting to see how Rand Paul feels about his 2A comments now.



  • Nice fake news compilation on Donald J. Trump. and others.

    http://imgur.com/a/c1RnG



  • Can someone point ot 15 celebrities envisioning violence against Obama or the Democrats?
    Cheers.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/06/14/15-times-celebrities-envisioned-violence-against-trump-and-the-gop/



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    Can someone point ot 15 celebrities envisioning violence against Obama or the Democrats?
    Cheers.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/06/14/15-times-celebrities-envisioned-violence-against-trump-and-the-gop/

    No. But I've never bothered to listen to what 15 celebrities said about anything except sports. I'm surprised anyone on here does.



  • @JC Unfortunately, a lot of people do listen to them. Sad. Bad.



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    @JC Unfortunately, a lot of people do listen to them. Sad.

    Stop then. Nobody is making you wind yourself up with this drivel.

    Honestly, the degeneration of this thread gives me the shits. I'm very interested in policy and especially economics in the US, but the nonsense on here about personalities, cucks, and the alt-right, the endless pathetic memes and the posting of links to fringe sites populated by feeble minds has made it pretty much unreadable.



  • @JC said in US Politics:

    @Frank said in US Politics:

    @JC Unfortunately, a lot of people do listen to them. Sad.

    Stop then. Nobody is making you wind yourself up with this drivel.

    Honestly, the degeneration of this thread gives me the shits. I'm very interested in policy and especially economics in the US, but the nonsense on here about personalities, cucks, and the alt-right, the endless pathetic memes and the posting of links to fringe sites populated by feeble minds has made it pretty much unreadable.

    Well said.



  • @JC said in US Politics:

    @Frank said in US Politics:

    @JC Unfortunately, a lot of people do listen to them. Sad.

    Stop then. Nobody is making you wind yourself up with this drivel.

    Honestly, the degeneration of this thread gives me the shits. I'm very interested in policy and especially economics in the US, but the nonsense on here about personalities, cucks, and the alt-right, the endless pathetic memes and the posting of links to fringe sites populated by feeble minds has made it pretty much unreadable.

    You should see the posts we have to delete.....



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    Nice fake news compilation on Donald J. Trump. and others.

    http://imgur.com/a/c1RnG

    Some of those are pretty funny actually. I am sure ALOT could go the other way as well though.



  • Anyway, to raise the tone of this thread a little: I went along to a forum with former US Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper a couple of nights ago. Just briefly on the Russian hacking issue; Obama instructed them to make a public version of the intelligence report, made available 6 Jan. Clapper believes that the interference from Russia had an impact but is unable to determine what that was empirically. There is no evidence of a voter tally impact and the reason Trump was initially disparaging was, he perceived it as a slight on the legitimacy of his election.

    Trump has subsequently made considerable efforts to repair that relationship.

    Why Russia made more efforts to undermine the Democrat cause was as Trump is a businessman, they (Russia) believe he is more likely to negotiate. And Putin despises the Clintons.



  • In a rare display of bi-partisanship - Republicans and Democrats in the Senate are pretty united in limiting Trump's ability to lift sanctions On Russia.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/14/senate-passes-russia-sanctions-trump-limits-239553

    This is the first in a four part series of Oliver Stone interviewing Putin over the course of two years.



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    Nice fake news compilation on Donald J. Trump. and others.

    http://imgur.com/a/c1RnG

    I obviously don't understand the term 'Fake News' well enough. How can tweets, opinion pieces and crap from Buzzfeed be considered news in the first place?
    I gave up scrolling through them because the only ones from established sources that people might expect to trust were either clearly stated as opinions or were comparing apples and oranges with similar headlines to try and be clever.
    Pretty feeble stuff.



  • @Frank said in US Politics:

    In a rare display of bi-partisanship - Republicans and Democrats in the Senate are pretty united in limiting Trump's ability to lift sanctions On Russia.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/14/senate-passes-russia-sanctions-trump-limits-239553

    This is the first in a four part series of Oliver Stone interviewing Putin over the course of two years.

    Oliver Stone made a doco about Chavez to try and show the US how awesome he and socialism in Venezuela is. I'm sure history will be just as kind to this doco about Putin .

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_of_the_Border_(2009_film)



  • I agree with Jarrett that Mueller should step down for conflict of interest.
    And they they hire someone with no personal relationship to Comey.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/15/gregg-jarrett-trump-should-demand-mueller-quit-as-special-counsel.html





  • GREAT debate and explanation about the obstruction of justice situation.
    From CNN to give credit.



  • Judicial Watch could not access Susan Rice's unmasking requests. They have been transferred to Obama's Presidential library and once there cannot be accessed for 5 years. I hope this doesn't bar the special counsel accessing them.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/06/susan-rices-great-unmasking-escape-national-security-council-records-sent-to-obama-library/



  • Live updates on the Georgia / South Carolina special election results are coming in.
    As pollsters predicted, its awfully close in Georgia but I would assume that the Republicans will win both
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/georgia-south-carolina-special-elections/



  • @phoenetia said in US Politics:

    Live updates on the Georgia / South Carolina special election results are coming in.
    As pollsters predicted, its awfully close in Georgia but I would assume that the Republicans will win both
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/georgia-south-carolina-special-elections/

    50 million spent on the Georgia campaign. 50 million!!!!
    Dems spent 7 times as much as the republicans.

    And looking like they lost with not much change to the 2016 result.



  • Dems now 0-4 in all their "referendum" special elections.
    This was the most amount of money the Dems have ever spent on a local special election - desperate for a win against Trump.

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  • The divide within the Democrat party seems to be very serious. Ossoff was a Pelosi-corporate Democrat. But the progressives of the party are too far left for mainstream US society.

    Clinton lost this district to Trump by just 1.5%.
    Handel won by 3.8%

    I follow a guy who was heavily involved in this election for the Republicans.
    He said a few things affected it in the last few days -

    • The Steve Scalise shooting
    • And the Ossoff- Kathy Griffin ad


  • Fuck...scratch that. I just watched a few minutes of his concession speech.
    He's the white Barack Obama. (the YouTube videos I am linking are not visible to me when I post the link)



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    Democrats can't even buy an election.



  • Here's a headline we don't see enough in the New York Times:

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    What do they expect when they put forward a 30 year old twig boy latte drinker who doesn't even live in the district he was running for?

    You'd think with all the money they pumped in, they'd at least go for a reasonable candidate.


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