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<p>GOP debate tonight lasted 3 hrs 13 minutes. First hour was everybody vs. Donald. Last couple hours was mostly crazed red meat idiocy about war, terrorism, who would be tougher facing down Iran and Putin, which candidate was the most like Reagan, and surprisingly, reefer madness. In his limited time, it was left to Rand Paul to attempt pointing out their contradictory policy positions on military missions in the Mid-East and waging the war on drugs at home. You'd have believed he had horns growing out of his head the way they were looking him. When each candidate was asked what the first thing they would do as president, no fewer than four of them mentioned their first priority is calling Bibi and repairing diplomatic ties with Israel.</p>
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<p>Not-so-funniest zinger of the evening goes to Jeb:</p>
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<p>Last night Trump gave a very long unscripted speech in a packed arena to a crowd of 20,000-or-so in Dallas.</p>
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<p>Genuine question - but who seriously has time to go to one of these things? It just seems a bizarre way to spend a weekday evening.</p>
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<p>Wonder what Al Gore is up to...</p>
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Trump is now come out as an anti vaccer <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/Donald-Trump-catches-the-anti-vaccine-bug'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/Donald-Trump-catches-the-anti-vaccine-bug</a>
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<p>Trump is now come out as an anti vaccer <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/Donald-Trump-catches-the-anti-vaccine-bug'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/Donald-Trump-catches-the-anti-vaccine-bug</a></p>
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<p>Playing to the audience there.</p>
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<p>It was a pretty interesting call, his big chaser at the moment (during the no one gives a fuck phase) is Ben Carson, so he tosses that one at Carson knowing half the mentals in the Republican party will freak when Carson, as he had to, says "thats bullshit"</p>
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Its not appropriate for this thread. except that Trump brought the topic up. And posters responded to it<br><br>
But truth does not need to be protected by deleting posts. Or name calling. But if others do not bring it up again I won't as well</p></blockquote>
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My wife is currently involved in a drug trial with those horrible bastards known as "Big Pharma" you stupid, ignorant fuckwit. It will hopefully save her life. But yeah, maybe we should go for natural remedies. That worked a fucking treat for Steve Jobs didn't it. <br><br>
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?<br><br>
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<p>My wife is currently involved in a drug trial with those horrible bastards known as "Big Pharma" you stupid, ignorant fuckwit. It will hopefully save her life. But yeah, maybe we should go for natural remedies. That worked a fucking treat for Steve Jobs didn't it.<br><br>
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?<br><br>
Sorry for derailing Tim, but this isn't funny anymore.</p>
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<p>But what is the issue then. I'm not saying big Pharma should be banned. Or your wife should not have access to these drugs. Or that vaccines should not be free still. Or that I do not take drugs when I have a tooth for eg pulled out</p>
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<p>And I hope of course that it works out for your wife. I think you are assuming things that I have not said or do not believe. and what has Steve Jobs to do with children taking vaccines</p> -
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<p>Yep, for all the supposed toxins and conspiracies out there, we're somehow living a damn sight longer than we used to...</p>
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<p>But I have many relations that have hit 90 and had a lifetime of great health and hard work. And no childhood vaccines</p>
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<p>Are children today much healthier and stronger today than in the past. And are so many vaccines necessary. why can't we have a debate about this without people getting so emotional. Its not as if they are going to be outlawed next week</p> -
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But what is the issue then. I'm not saying big Pharma should be banned. Or your wife should not have access to these drugs. Or that vaccines should not be free still. Or that I do not take drugs when I have a tooth for eg pulled out<br><br>
And I hope of course that it works out for your wife. I think you are assuming things that I have not said or do not believe. and what has Steve Jobs to do with children taking vaccines</p></blockquote>
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<p>So Ben Carson says no muslim can be President - totally ignoring the US Constitution and Trump insinuates Obama is muslim - and these are the Republican front runners!!!</p>
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<p>Not really what he said</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34308716'>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34308716</a></p>
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<p>As usual Carson is an inelegant speaker and he falls into obvious media beat ups. He won't last very far in this process (still four long, tedious, fake controversy filled months before the first votes)</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>Donald Trump's rise to the top of the Republican polls has been incredible. But it's obscuring a story that might ultimately prove more meaningful: Bernie Sanders's increasingly serious challenge to Hillary Clinton.<br> <br>New polls show Sanders leading Hillary Clinton in both Iowa and New Hampshire. His leads aren't Trump-size — at least not yet — but they were secured without the wall-to-wall media coverage that attends Trump, without the name recognition Trump brought to the race, and against a much stronger frontrunner than Trump faced.</p></blockquote> <br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/9324501/bernie-sanders-donald-trump'>http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/9324501/bernie-sanders-donald-trump</a><br> <br><img src="http://i.imgur.com/Nsv7gTO.png" alt="Nsv7gTO.png">
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<p>There is a new thread for this:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41377-vax-squable/'>http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41377-vax-squable/</a></p>
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<p>It sounds like Scott Walker is about to drop out after two dull debate performances</p>
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<p>In general a Governor should make a better President than a Senator because they are actually in control of an executive. It was more true in this election because of previous criticisms of ex-Senator Obama's experience. It's hard to make those criticisms and then pick a first term Senator (although the majority of the public probably won't notice)</p>
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<p>Now two successful Governors are out (Walker/Perry) and the ones that are left aren't running good campaigns</p>
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Not really what he said<br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34308716">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34308716</a><br><br>
As usual Carson is an inelegant speaker and he falls into obvious media beat ups. He won't last very far in this process (still four long, tedious, fake controversy filled months before the first votes)<br><br><br>
As for Trump he's repeating Hillary's 2008 slurs and half of her ideas. An extreme moderate?</p></blockquote>
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<p>It was the Hilary camp that released the picture of Obama in muslim garb wasn't it? And the Democrats were the ones who lost their shit when Bush proposed letting a company from the UAE be responsible for scheduling at some US ports.</p>
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<p>It's a fantasy, but I would love to see Obama create an enormous shit-bomb before his term expires (and even better, before the election) by declassifying the redacted <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Inquiry_into_Intelligence_Community_Activities_before_and_after_the_Terrorist_Attacks_of_September_11,_2001#Redacted_sections'>"28 Pages"</a> of the report officially known as "The Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001," by Executive Order if necessary. It won't happen, but would be beautiful if he did.</p>
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