The Silver Fern

    • Register
    • Login
    • Search
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Users
    • Tipping
    • Thread Topics
    • Highlights
    • Team Sheets
    • NPC Results
    • Upvote Leaderboard
        • TSF
        • Home Page
        • Browse Posts
        • Tipping
        • Tipping Home
        • Submit Your Tips
        • Current Tips
          Rugby Info
        • Team Sheets
        • Highlights
        • Rugby Results
        • AB Results
        • SR Results
        • NPC Results
          Forum Links
        • Leaderboard
        • Popular Topics
        • Topic Tags

    AB MOTM v Argentina I

    MOTM Polls
    allblacks
    24
    31
    269
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • Duluth
      Duluth last edited by

      3 votes

      broughie 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • broughie
        broughie @Duluth last edited by

        @Duluth went for Sotutu and Vaia. The rest were crap. And Vaia should replace PT.

        Kirwan 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • Bones
          Bones last edited by

          Savea, Whitelock and Moody. Most positive contributions while on the field. Should have gone for Sotutu instead of Savea but ah well.

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • R
            reprobate last edited by

            Just Whitelock for me.

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • Kirwan
              Kirwan @broughie last edited by

              @broughie said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

              @Duluth went for Sotutu and Vaia. The rest were crap. And Vaia should replace PT.

              Sotutu only for me, rest were shit

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
              • Donsteppa
                Donsteppa last edited by

                “Withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy”...

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                • chimoaus
                  chimoaus last edited by chimoaus

                  Doesn't feel right voting for anyone this week, I'm going to abstain.

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                  • JC
                    JC last edited by

                    Retallick.

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
                    • Snowy
                      Snowy last edited by

                      Voter turnout is likely to be very, very low.

                      ACT Crusader 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
                      • sparky
                        sparky last edited by

                        Went for Sotutu, Clarke and Vaa'i because they're the future.

                        A lot of these players are the past.

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • KiwiMurph
                          KiwiMurph last edited by

                          Sotutu, Vaai and Aaron Smith.

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                          • No Quarter
                            No Quarter last edited by

                            Whitelock and Smith were decent and Sotutu made an impact off the bench.

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • ACT Crusader
                              ACT Crusader @Snowy last edited by

                              @Snowy said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                              Voter turnout is likely to be very, very low.

                              I’ve mailed mine in.....to the Argies

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 4
                              • A
                                akan004 last edited by

                                Cane, Sotutu and Aaron Smith.

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • Victor Meldrew
                                  Victor Meldrew last edited by

                                  Cane, Sotutu & DMac.

                                  The latter at least held onto the ball when on attack....

                                  Bones 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                  • Bones
                                    Bones @Victor Meldrew last edited by

                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                    Cane, Sotutu & DMac.

                                    The latter at least held onto the ball when on attack....

                                    Ummm...apart from when he had it ripped off him only yards out?

                                    Victor Meldrew 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 3
                                    • Victor Meldrew
                                      Victor Meldrew @Bones last edited by Victor Meldrew

                                      @Bones

                                      Well, at least it wasn't a Reiko...

                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                      • taniwharugby
                                        taniwharugby last edited by

                                        aside from Sotutu its about who made the least errors....which is more what i expect when I am picking a Northland MOTM, not an AB one 😉

                                        D 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                        • A
                                          ARHS last edited by

                                          Only just watched it. Thought Cane and Smith were most committed starters, and DMac was the best off the bench with much needed energy. Whitelock, Sotutu, ALB and Moody all had their moments. I think the performances are mostly indicative of a mentally and physically draining season like no other.

                                          MN5 sparky 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • MN5
                                            MN5 @ARHS last edited by

                                            @ARHS said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                            Only just watched it. Thought Cane and Smith were most committed starters, and DMac was the best off the bench with much needed energy. Whitelock, Sotutu, ALB and Moody all had their moments. I think the performances are mostly indicative of a mentally and physically draining season like no other.

                                            In other words going through exactly what the other teams are going through as well ?

                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                            • sparky
                                              sparky @ARHS last edited by sparky

                                              @ARHS said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                              I think the performances are mostly indicative of a mentally and physically draining season like no other.

                                              Really don't get this excuse at all. NZ residents have generally had a much easier time in 2020 than almost anyone else and have had much less disruption to their lives. The Argentinians (& most European sides) have had months of not being able to train together. Other teams have had much more to cope with than Foster's men, they just seem to have been a lot better led through the battles of coping with it all.

                                              ACT Crusader 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 5
                                              • ACT Crusader
                                                ACT Crusader @sparky last edited by

                                                @sparky said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                @ARHS said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                I think the performances are mostly indicative of a mentally and physically draining season like no other.

                                                Really don't get this excuse at all. NZ residents have generally had a much easier time in 2020 than almost anyone else and have had much less disruption to their lives. The Argentinians (& most European sides) have had months of not being able to train together. Other teams have had much more to cope with than Foster's men, they just seem to have been a lot better led through the battles of coping with it all.

                                                It’s not really an excuse, it’s just the reality of things.

                                                What was clear is that when Super rugby shut up shop that upon return some players didn’t adjust to the return. Call it what you will, but some very good players, even current All Blacks seemed to have fallen off a cliff form wise. Pre-lockdown in good form and then SRA weren’t great.

                                                Bringing all those moving parts together for a short bit of test rugby would be no doubt challenging for any coach. Look at some of the 6Ns games and performances. They have been up and down. Some have been downright dire. Bledisloe and 3Ns are no different.

                                                sparky 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                                • sparky
                                                  sparky @ACT Crusader last edited by sparky

                                                  @ACT-Crusader Why is Foster picking them if they are out of form?

                                                  England have just won their fifth game on the bounce. Their side seem to be enduring okay despite 50,000+ UK deaths, two national lockdowns and Rugby training with more than five people being illegal for five months. Eddie Jones has monitored his players fitness tightly and dropped the guys who weren't meeting his strict expectations.

                                                  Don't blame the situation COVID (which is an international crisis), when it's the All Blacks coaches and management that are to blame for yesterday's appalling performance.

                                                  dogmeat ACT Crusader 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                  • D
                                                    DMX last edited by

                                                    Whitelock , Smith and Cane.

                                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                    • D
                                                      DMX @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                      @taniwharugby said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                      aside from Sotutu its about who made the least errors....which is more what i expect when I am picking a Northland MOTM, not an AB one 😉

                                                      That was the most frustrating thing, errors were spread across the park!

                                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                      • dogmeat
                                                        dogmeat @sparky last edited by

                                                        @sparky Agree with everything you wrote apart from blaming the coaches.

                                                        It's ridiculous to use COVID as an excuse when you look at what the Pumas had to contend with.

                                                        I give the coaches a tiny amount of wriggle room because with a couple of exceptions that was universally acknowledged as the best side they could put out. The players just didn't front - which is becoming habitual and I agree part of the coaches remit to address.

                                                        I didn't vote but if I had I would have gone Cane for putting himself about and Smith for his try saving double tackle and the determination on his face as he executed it. Those two looked like the game meant everything to them. The rest - not so much.

                                                        Kruse 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                                        • Kruse
                                                          Kruse @dogmeat last edited by

                                                          @dogmeat said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                          @sparky Agree with everything you wrote apart from blaming the coaches.

                                                          It's ridiculous to use COVID as an excuse when you look at what the Pumas had to contend with.

                                                          I give the coaches a tiny amount of wriggle room because with a couple of exceptions that was universally acknowledged as the best side they could put out. The players just didn't front - which is becoming habitual and I agree part of the coaches remit to address.

                                                          I didn't vote but if I had I would have gone Cane for putting himself about and Smith for his try saving double tackle and the determination on his face as he executed it. Those two looked like the game meant everything to them. The rest - not so much.

                                                          Smith's face during that "in-the-sheds" interview after the game too... he was pretty obviously not a happy man. He looked like he'd just been caught in an airport's disabled-toilet.
                                                          I was thinking watching that - I'd quite like to see a similar interview of every single player, and coaching staff, and check whether the same emotion was there across the board.

                                                          voodoo 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                                          • voodoo
                                                            voodoo @Kruse last edited by

                                                            @Kruse said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                            @dogmeat said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                            @sparky Agree with everything you wrote apart from blaming the coaches.

                                                            It's ridiculous to use COVID as an excuse when you look at what the Pumas had to contend with.

                                                            I give the coaches a tiny amount of wriggle room because with a couple of exceptions that was universally acknowledged as the best side they could put out. The players just didn't front - which is becoming habitual and I agree part of the coaches remit to address.

                                                            I didn't vote but if I had I would have gone Cane for putting himself about and Smith for his try saving double tackle and the determination on his face as he executed it. Those two looked like the game meant everything to them. The rest - not so much.

                                                            Smith's face during that "in-the-sheds" interview after the game too... he was pretty obviously not a happy man. He looked like he'd just been caught in an airport's disabled-toilet.
                                                            I was thinking watching that - I'd quite like to see a similar interview of every single player, and coaching staff, and check whether the same emotion was there across the board.

                                                            Contrast that to TJ a week earlier taking happy snaps with the crowd after the loss to the Wobblies 😡

                                                            canefan 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 3
                                                            • canefan
                                                              canefan @voodoo last edited by

                                                              @voodoo said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                              @Kruse said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                              @dogmeat said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                              @sparky Agree with everything you wrote apart from blaming the coaches.

                                                              It's ridiculous to use COVID as an excuse when you look at what the Pumas had to contend with.

                                                              I give the coaches a tiny amount of wriggle room because with a couple of exceptions that was universally acknowledged as the best side they could put out. The players just didn't front - which is becoming habitual and I agree part of the coaches remit to address.

                                                              I didn't vote but if I had I would have gone Cane for putting himself about and Smith for his try saving double tackle and the determination on his face as he executed it. Those two looked like the game meant everything to them. The rest - not so much.

                                                              Smith's face during that "in-the-sheds" interview after the game too... he was pretty obviously not a happy man. He looked like he'd just been caught in an airport's disabled-toilet.
                                                              I was thinking watching that - I'd quite like to see a similar interview of every single player, and coaching staff, and check whether the same emotion was there across the board.

                                                              Contrast that to TJ a week earlier taking happy snaps with the crowd after the loss to the Wobblies 😡

                                                              TJ will be off on Japanese sabbatical not a moment too soon then....

                                                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                              • mariner4life
                                                                mariner4life last edited by

                                                                The crushing disappointment and righteous public anger of 2007 forged the success of the next 8 years. And that anger built up over 20 years! A core group of players and coaches pretty much said "never again" and did everything in their power to ensure they never felt that level of disappointment. Even bumps on the way (2009) were immediately addressed to ensure we carried on.

                                                                What failure do these players know? They drew the Lions series, and everyone moved on. Great series ruined by the French was the general sentiment.

                                                                Last year we got flogged in a RWC semi final and we shrugged. Can't win 'em all we said. Beaten by the better side.

                                                                In a way, this is our fault for our complacency. We didn't flood talkback with barely comprehensible anger. We didn't write letters to the editor. No one spat on a horse.

                                                                Shoulder your portion of the blame guys, this is on us.

                                                                Snowy voodoo 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 3
                                                                • Snowy
                                                                  Snowy @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                  @mariner4life said in AB MOTM v Argentina I:

                                                                  The crushing disappointment and righteous public anger of 2007 forged the success of the next 8 years. And that anger built up over 20 years!

                                                                  Do we really have to do that again?

                                                                  Can't we just cut the weak link (s) now please? Really, please!

                                                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                                                  • First post
                                                                    Last post