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  • @catogrande said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?

    An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.

    The guy is a cunt. And all the ones not denouncing it.

    Not sure about this Mike. Should someone be be denounced for something so puerile? Should he perhaps be ridiculed? More so the latter I believe. I'm really not one for getting too offended about some flippant comment and happy to see such a comment be judged on what it is.

    Stupid.

    But why is he held to a different account from other people?

    He wasn't debating the issue when he let forth.



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  • @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?

    An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.

    The guy is a cunt. And all the ones not denouncing it.

    Anyone not denouncing it is a cunt?
    Get a grip. I think it is funny. Oh no someone got told they look like a letter box when wearing dress up at the demand of an imaginary friend.

    They do actually look like letter boxes.



  • @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    @catogrande said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?

    An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.

    The guy is a cunt. And all the ones not denouncing it.

    Not sure about this Mike. Should someone be be denounced for something so puerile? Should he perhaps be ridiculed? More so the latter I believe. I'm really not one for getting too offended about some flippant comment and happy to see such a comment be judged on what it is.

    Stupid.

    But why is he held to a different account from other people?

    He wasn't debating the issue when he let forth.

    Maybe it the the way other people are held to account that is the issue? Maybe ordinary people are so bullied that they cannot say things like this?



  • @baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?

    An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.

    The guy is a cunt. And all the ones not denouncing it.

    Anyone not denouncing it is a cunt?
    Get a grip. I think it is funny. Oh no someone got told they look like a letter box when wearing dress up at the demand of an imaginary friend.

    They do actually look like letter boxes.

    I agree. Any branch of a religion that forces women to cover themselves head to toe to avoid the gaze of males outside of the family, and holds women responsible for the actions of rapey men because they weren't covered properly, deserves every bit of mocking and ridicule coming its way. People need to get a grip.



  • @crucial said in British Politics:

    @rembrandt said in British Politics:

    @crucial said in British Politics:

    @rembrandt said in British Politics:

    @catogrande I know what you mean. It's so bad it's barely believable. The fear of being labelled racist clearly is stronger than logic or even in this case actual law.

    Scary to consider this and Chelsea Russel are the only examples that have had any real notice and that is mostly due to grassroot movements like the Liberalists and alt-media like the now deleted InfoWars. Mainstream media did everything they could to either not report on or to go out of their way misrepresent the accused. There are many more cases that have had zero attention at all.

    See, the first part of that has validity. The second part verges on conspiracy theory.

    Agreed, all I have is stats on number of online offenses and anecdotal evidence so can't prove it.
    Last one I saw in an interview on the street a 15 yr old made a meme that got him in trouble. The meme was a pisstake from a commonly shared facebook post, the posts says something like "2018 Names most likely to get married!" and then lists a load of names.

    The idea being you tag your friends to the posts and say "Ha ha Eric! You and Sally are due! Facebook says so! lol #putaringonit #yolo"

    Anyway this kid did an edgy variation of this.
    "2018 Names most likely to blow up a pop concert" and just one name listed "Mohammed"

    4 Police burst into his house the following day searched the house and arrested him. He wasn't charged but had to be enrolled in some sort of anti extremism course. From what I understand the course was originally designed to stop islamic extremists but its purpose has drifted somewhat from the original intention.

    Just anecdotal mind you.

    Didn't I say your post had validity in these issues? It was the assertion that the media are waging a campaign of deliberate ignorance that I said was verging on conspiracy.

    Mainstream media outlets have a very obvious political bias - that's not a conspiracy, that's well known and has been for years. It's ramped up in recent times too, and it does impact how much coverage stories get, and what facts in each story get a lot of focus. An interesting exercise is to watch a story on CNN, and then the same story on Fox. Both generally get the facts right/the same, but the coverage is different in what parts they emphasise. And then they really diverge when they get a panel of "experts" (political hacks) to put their spin on it.

    On Dankula, I don't think that is a partisan issue at all. It's an issue of massive overreach from the state as a result of people wanting the government to outlaw things they don't like. It doesn't matter what side of the isle you sit, that is a big issue, as it can come from anywhere. Some well known comedians in the UK who have come out in strong support of him are Jonathan Pie, Ricky Gervais and Stephen Fry - all very obviously on the left of the political spectrum.

    For when you get the change to watch videos, this is a good take from Jonathan Pie on it:



  • @crucial said in British Politics:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

    @crucial said in British Politics:

    @rancid-schnitzel

    You didn't make it difficult, I just wondered why I was being approached by a microphone in the street asking for an opinion on something.
    Now I'm being questioned on why I disagree with the interviewers opinion.
    It's borderline trolling, but I'll take it as baiting.

    I haven't watched the posted video as I can't at the moment and google searches aren't coming up with any detail. I'm happy to read anything you can supply as fact around what has happened.

    You offered a very contrarian opinion to the vast majority of posters and I was interested to hear your views on the latest development. I'm not sure how that's trolling in any way shape or form. The only thing weird is the way you're responding to a perfectly reasonable and legitimate question.

    Watch the video if you want the info, he puts it on screen.

    Ha! Entering these threads is like walking into an evangelist church and trying to explain about sky fairies. Pretty easy to be a contrary opinion to other posters.

    My original comment was about the conspiracy theories around MSM.

    What is wrong with the way I am responding? I am answering your questions around a topic I didn't directly approach and doing so in a clear and unemotive manner. Would you rather I started some name calling and making sweeping statements?

    I also explained that I can't watch the video at the moment or did that part skip past you? As I said, I'm happy to read detail about the latest development and make additional comment. I just can't find any at the moment.

    Crucial I simply asked for your view about the latest Dankula ruling. If you get a chance to see the video then fine. If not, then fine also. I'm not sure why you're losing your head over it.



  • @rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

    @crucial said in British Politics:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:

    @crucial said in British Politics:

    @rancid-schnitzel

    You didn't make it difficult, I just wondered why I was being approached by a microphone in the street asking for an opinion on something.
    Now I'm being questioned on why I disagree with the interviewers opinion.
    It's borderline trolling, but I'll take it as baiting.

    I haven't watched the posted video as I can't at the moment and google searches aren't coming up with any detail. I'm happy to read anything you can supply as fact around what has happened.

    You offered a very contrarian opinion to the vast majority of posters and I was interested to hear your views on the latest development. I'm not sure how that's trolling in any way shape or form. The only thing weird is the way you're responding to a perfectly reasonable and legitimate question.

    Watch the video if you want the info, he puts it on screen.

    Ha! Entering these threads is like walking into an evangelist church and trying to explain about sky fairies. Pretty easy to be a contrary opinion to other posters.

    My original comment was about the conspiracy theories around MSM.

    What is wrong with the way I am responding? I am answering your questions around a topic I didn't directly approach and doing so in a clear and unemotive manner. Would you rather I started some name calling and making sweeping statements?

    I also explained that I can't watch the video at the moment or did that part skip past you? As I said, I'm happy to read detail about the latest development and make additional comment. I just can't find any at the moment.

    Crucial I simply asked for your view about the latest Dankula ruling. If you get a chance to see the video then fine. If not, then fine also. I'm not sure why you're losing your head over it.

    I watched it. My take is pretty much as I guessed in the earlier post. This is now about dick waving bureaucracy. The summary that he showed basically just reiterated the original ruling without assessing its validity then spent ages ripping into his defence for daring to question the law. It does sound a bit like his defence has riled up the establishment in the manner they presented the case and the establishment now won't back down.
    Evidence of stupid bureaucracy, yes. Evidence of some overall govt clamp down on free speech, no.

    PS: from that document it sounds like his lawyer 'threatened' the sheriff with the fact that they had gathered money to appeal should he rule guilty. Pretty dumb thing to do (if that was the manner of what he said) and has probably got all the old farts at the courts up in arms.
    I do hope he manages to find the correct legal avenue.



  • @baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    @catogrande said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?

    An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.

    The guy is a cunt. And all the ones not denouncing it.

    Not sure about this Mike. Should someone be be denounced for something so puerile? Should he perhaps be ridiculed? More so the latter I believe. I'm really not one for getting too offended about some flippant comment and happy to see such a comment be judged on what it is.

    Stupid.

    But why is he held to a different account from other people?

    He wasn't debating the issue when he let forth.

    Maybe it the the way other people are held to account that is the issue? Maybe ordinary people are so bullied that they cannot say things like this?

    Oh they say them. And then they get fired.



  • @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    @baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    @catogrande said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?

    An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.

    The guy is a cunt. And all the ones not denouncing it.

    Not sure about this Mike. Should someone be be denounced for something so puerile? Should he perhaps be ridiculed? More so the latter I believe. I'm really not one for getting too offended about some flippant comment and happy to see such a comment be judged on what it is.

    Stupid.

    But why is he held to a different account from other people?

    He wasn't debating the issue when he let forth.

    Maybe it the the way other people are held to account that is the issue? Maybe ordinary people are so bullied that they cannot say things like this?

    Oh they say them. And then they get fired.

    Only by cunts.

    Rowan Atkinson thinks the joke is funny.. And effective



  • @baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    @baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    @catogrande said in British Politics:

    @mikethesnow said in British Politics:

    Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?

    An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.

    The guy is a cunt. And all the ones not denouncing it.

    Not sure about this Mike. Should someone be be denounced for something so puerile? Should he perhaps be ridiculed? More so the latter I believe. I'm really not one for getting too offended about some flippant comment and happy to see such a comment be judged on what it is.

    Stupid.

    But why is he held to a different account from other people?

    He wasn't debating the issue when he let forth.

    Maybe it the the way other people are held to account that is the issue? Maybe ordinary people are so bullied that they cannot say things like this?

    Oh they say them. And then they get fired.

    Only by cunts.

    Rowan Atkinson thinks the joke is funny.. And effective

    Awesome by Atkinson. I could be wrong but I think he was quite vocal in the 90's the last time this insanity raised it's ugly head. Glad he is speaking out now.



  • Terror incident in Londo. From The Times:

    Parliament crash: counterterrorism police arrest man after car crashes into barrier at Westminster
    August 14 2018, 8:20am,
    Armed police respond to parliament car crash
    Armed police have arrested a man after a car crashed into a security barrier outside the Palace of Westminster just after 7.30am today, injuring cyclists and pedestrians.

    Dozens of officers were seen to surround the smoking vehicle and handcuff a man dressed in jeans and a black jacket before leading him away. The Metropolitan Police said that no one was believed to be in a life-threatening condition.

    Much of the area was locked down as police cars continued to arrive at the scene at Old Palace Yard.
    Footage shared on social media showed paramedics tending to cyclists who had been knocked over.

    Witnesses said that the car knocked several cyclists from their bicycles and paramedics could be seen tending to several people at the junction of Parliament Square and Abingdon Street, which leads to the barrier where the car crashed.

    One bystander, Jason Williams, said that no other vehicles were involved. “Basically I’ve seen a man driving a vehicle, and he’s gone into one of the bollards. There was a loud bang,” he told Good Morning Britain on ITV. “I didn’t see anyone else involved.” He put the car’s speed at about 40-50mph.

    Ewalina Ochab told the Press Association that the car, which appeared to be a silver Ford hatchback, was driving “at speed and towards the barriers”, possibly on the pavement. “I think it looked intentional,” she added.

    A Terrorism Act cordon extended through much of Whitehall and included Parliament Square and Downing Street.

    Scotland Yard said: “At 07:37hrs today, a car was in collision with barriers outside the Houses of Parliament.

    “The male driver of the car was detained by officers at the scene. We await an update on their condition, however officers do not believe that anyone is in a life-threatening condition.

    “Officers remain at the scene and cordons are in place to assist the investigation.”

    Scotland Yard said that counterterrorism detectives were leading the investigation but officers are “keeping an open mind” about motive. Two people were treated at the scene and taken to hospital, according to the London Ambulance Service. The injuries are not believed to be serious.

    The Houses of Parliament are in recess until September 4. Westminster underground station was closed.

    Steel and concrete barriers surround the palace and security measures were extended after a vehicle attack in March last year, when Khalid Masood drove into a crowd on Westminster Bridge, killing four people. He abandoned the car and stabbed to death Keith Palmer, an unarmed police officer.

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  • @jc Although not a large one, first incident since I've lived here.

    I'm not sure if it's a good, or a bad thing, that nobody in the office is really talking about it. It's on the TV's in the background at work, but isn't really generating a ripple.



  • @majorrage said in British Politics:

    @jc Although not a large one, first incident since I've lived here.

    I'm not sure if it's a good, or a bad thing, that nobody in the office is really talking about it. It's on the TV's in the background at work, but isn't really generating a ripple.

    So far it is (rightly) being treated as a terror incident. Doesn't mean it is one.

    Was a pain in the ass this morning though as a huge chunk of real estate was cordoned off right where I ride through. The Counter Terrorism bunch were out in force, vans and darkened SUVS honing around. Soft cordons set up all over the place as well, even as far as key entry/exit points in Hyde Park.



  • A thought just crossed my mind though. These incidents are getting closer and closer to me and I probably need to bail before our paths cross.

    The prior Westminster one was simply on a day I was in town. Not an area I frequent at that time of day.
    The Borough Market one was at a time I wasn't around but at a place I had been sitting only a week before.
    This latest one was a car ploughing through cyclists at a set of traffic lights right where I myself ride and wait every morning. So just the timing was out.
    Follow me around if you want to be on the spot for the next one...



  • @crucial said in British Politics:

    A thought just crossed my mind though. These incidents are getting closer and closer to me and I probably need to bail before our paths cross.

    The prior Westminster one was simply on a day I was in town. Not an area I frequent at that time of day.
    The Borough Market one was at a time I wasn't around but at a place I had been sitting only a week before.
    This latest one was a car ploughing through cyclists at a set of traffic lights right where I myself ride and wait every morning. So just the timing was out.
    Follow me around if you want to be on the spot for the next one...

    I had a similar pattern with flights for a while... every time I landed after a long-haul flight, I'd see news about an aircraft crashing, or being shot-down over Ukraine, or just straight-up disappearing.
    I did not inform my travel insurance provider.



  • @crucial it seems I'm following you around. I was at London Bridge the day before borough and out in Kensington today, which brought me through Westminster tube.



  • @Crucial Only the one incident for me but dodgy as fuck. Two years ago the Cato family were off on holiday to Corsica, driving down through France and getting the ferry from Nice. On the Thursday we changed our plans and decided to cut short the car journey that evening as it had been a long day. So we stayed in Uzes instead of going all the way to Nice as originally planned. Thank God we did as we would likely have been wandering around the seafront in a post dinner haze when that nutjob went ploughing through all those people. It was still chaos the next day with the main road closed, the secondary one under repair which was also home to the hospital...



  • @bones said in British Politics:

    @crucial it seems I'm following you around. I was at London Bridge the day before borough and out in Kensington today, which brought me through Westminster tube.

    Stalker alert!

    I was about an hour and a half out this morning, but even then it kind of proves my theory about whether to be worried about these things. Even if I was there around that time you wait at those lights for 30 seconds max, sometimes even ride straight through. Being there at that exact window of time would be pretty poor luck.

    The driver obviously had a plan to try and bust that barrier arm. The way those traffic lights sequence he would have been blocked at a red light in the direction he was going so basically took a detour around the small traffic island onto the wrong side of the road and through the cyclists waiting in the 'bike box' there so he could get a runup.
    If nothing else the bloke did very well to get up to 50mph in central London.

    My theory is that he is some disgruntled individual that lost the plot over a personal issue. No organised or semi-organised terrorism at all.



  • @crucial yup. Ford Focus doesn't strike me as the best barrier arm buster.