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    • Stargazer
      Stargazer last edited by Stargazer

      We can now vote for the Sky Fans Try of the Year. The winner will be announced during the ASB Rugby Awards on Sky Sport in mid-December.

      Vote here: https://www.allblacks.com/news/skyfanstry2020/

      The tries to pick from:


      It's a pity they haven't included that awesome try from Tyrone Thompson.

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      • Stargazer
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        World Rugby Awards

        World Rugby Men’s 15s Team of the Decade

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          WORLD RUGBY AWARDS

          World Rugby Women’s 15s Team of the Decade

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                  • taniwharugby
                    taniwharugby @Stargazer last edited by taniwharugby

                    @Stargazer I'd argue Smith was a better 9 than Murray for a longer period, also Pocock at 6? Shoehorning Fozzie styles?

                    Kaino.

                    A few you could make arguments for other players, but not too much issue with it.

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                        • booboo
                          booboo @Stargazer last edited by

                          @Stargazer said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                          World Rugby Awards

                          World Rugby Men’s 15s Team of the Decade

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                          Parisse because you're meant to. Nup.
                          Murray over Smith?
                          Womble at 6?

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                          • Stargazer
                            Stargazer @booboo last edited by

                            @booboo Yeah, I'd probably name Duane Vermeulen at no. 8. And, obviously, Smith at 9.

                            There are people protesting on social media that they left out Issy Folouwwwww at fullback for "political" reasons. Don't think he was better than Ben Smith at his prime though.

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                            • mariner4life
                              mariner4life last edited by

                              Parisse is a fucking joke

                              O'Driscoll was done by the early part of the decade (couldn't even make the Lions test side in 2013 remember). What did North do for the last 6 or so years?

                              But Pocock at 6 is the biggest fuck up of them all

                              Who picks these fucking things?

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                              • taniwharugby
                                taniwharugby @mariner4life last edited by

                                @mariner4life surprised a NH pundit didnt put Itoje in there!

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                                  akan004 @mariner4life last edited by

                                  @mariner4life Probably Fitzy.

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                                  • nzzp
                                    nzzp @mariner4life last edited by

                                    @mariner4life blind freddy?

                                    Seriously, though, Connor Murray was a quality 9 for a few years. But a better player than A Smith over the decade? I don't think so.

                                    Connor started a year before Aaron, but Smith's been the standout 9 internaitonally for me in the decade, and for most years. even when he slumped, he was in the top few.

                                    It's ... interesting selections

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                                    • Kiwiwomble
                                      Kiwiwomble @booboo last edited by

                                      @booboo said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                      @Stargazer said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                      World Rugby Awards

                                      World Rugby Men’s 15s Team of the Decade

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                                      Parisse because you're meant to. Nup.
                                      Murray over Smith?
                                      Womble at 6?

                                      the real crime was I wasn't even nominated!

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                                      • Nepia
                                        Nepia last edited by

                                        Pocock 🤣🤣🤣

                                        Didn’t both Kaino and Smith play in the past decade? If you want an Aussie in there, the IMHO slightly overrated Scott Fardy, is a better bet.

                                        What a dumb decision.

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                                        • gt12
                                          gt12 @Stargazer last edited by

                                          @Stargazer said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                          World Rugby Awards

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                                          North at 14 feels like a push, I don't know if Jonny May plays at 14, but he'd be another option here who has been good and dangerous for years on end. I can also see the argument for having Folau at 15 and Smith at 14 too.

                                          O'Driscoll at 13 is silly - he was basically gone in the early part of the decade. If they are picking the best players to have played in the decade, then perhaps, but his best work wasn't this decade. No way. If it isn't Smith here, then Jean de Villiers or Wesley Fofana would be better picks.

                                          Although I think Smith was the best halfback of the decade, I can just live with Murray, given that he was a huge part of the success of Ireland and the Lions.

                                          Number 8 is a joke - this has to be Vermeulen.

                                          At 6, how it can't be Kaino, Dusatoir, or even Steph du Toit is completely beyond me.

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                                          • Bovidae
                                            Bovidae @Stargazer last edited by

                                            @Stargazer How does the winner of the women's 15s player of the decade not make their team of the decade?

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                                            • Dice
                                              Dice last edited by Dice

                                              Is Kieran Read not liked on here anymore?

                                              Surprised no one has mentioned him for the 8 spot.

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                                              • mariner4life
                                                mariner4life @Dice last edited by

                                                @Dice said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                Is Kieran Read not liked on here anymore?

                                                Surprised no one has mentioned him for the 8 spot.

                                                if we are honest, one team dominated the ver loving fuck out of the decade, and it would not be a big call to just stick 15 ABs in there.

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                                                • Kiwiwomble
                                                  Kiwiwomble @Dice last edited by

                                                  @Dice I don't know if i'll get roasted, he was great and deserved his AB spot...but I really felt he was only "best in the world" for a couple of years

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                                                    junior @mariner4life last edited by

                                                    @mariner4life said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                    @Dice said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                    Is Kieran Read not liked on here anymore?

                                                    Surprised no one has mentioned him for the 8 spot.

                                                    if we are honest, one team dominated the ver loving fuck out of the decade, and it would not be a big call to just stick 15 ABs in there.

                                                    Two time RWC winner and 2013 POTY and most people here wouldn’t have him as their first choice. Quite astounding.

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                                                      junior @Kiwiwomble last edited by

                                                      @Kiwiwomble said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                      @Dice I don't know if i'll get roasted, he was great and deserved his AB spot...but I really felt he was only "best in the world" for a couple of years

                                                      All due respect to Vermuelen, who is an amazing player, but when was he ever in the conversation as the best in the world other than on 2019?

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                                                      • nzzp
                                                        nzzp @junior last edited by

                                                        @junior said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                        @mariner4life said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                        @Dice said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                        Is Kieran Read not liked on here anymore?

                                                        Surprised no one has mentioned him for the 8 spot.

                                                        if we are honest, one team dominated the ver loving fuck out of the decade, and it would not be a big call to just stick 15 ABs in there.

                                                        Two time RWC winner and 2013 POTY and most people here wouldn’t have him as their first choice. Quite astounding.

                                                        POTY is nice, but they gave it to Dusatoir over Jerome in 2011. Flabbers were gasted, but we had the Monkey Off The Back, so it slid.

                                                        Read was sensational for a long time, but the last few years still feel a bit raw. Wild eyes, etc. None of the highlights reels, but still broke a few people in half from time to time. Seriously good player.

                                                        But Vermeulen was next level.

                                                        I had more issues with Fall Over Owen, and Coulda Doid, and most of all Smith.

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                                                        • MajorRage
                                                          MajorRage last edited by

                                                          It's the wrong decade. That team is the best from 2005-2015.

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                                                            junior @nzzp last edited by

                                                            @nzzp said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                            @junior said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                            @mariner4life said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                            @Dice said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                            Is Kieran Read not liked on here anymore?

                                                            Surprised no one has mentioned him for the 8 spot.

                                                            if we are honest, one team dominated the ver loving fuck out of the decade, and it would not be a big call to just stick 15 ABs in there.

                                                            Two time RWC winner and 2013 POTY and most people here wouldn’t have him as their first choice. Quite astounding.

                                                            POTY is nice, but they gave it to Dusatoir over Jerome in 2011. Flabbers were gasted, but we had the Monkey Off The Back, so it slid.

                                                            Read was sensational for a long time, but the last few years still feel a bit raw. Wild eyes, etc. None of the highlights reels, but still broke a few people in half from time to time. Seriously good player.

                                                            But Vermeulen was next level.

                                                            I had more issues with Fall Over Owen, and Coulda Doid, and most of all Smith.

                                                            Using Dusatoir as an example here is a bit disingenuous, as we all know that you only need to have one goo game in a RWC year to pick up the award. When Read won it, he was the best player in far and away the best team in the world.

                                                            Also, although I agree he fell off a cliff post-2017, and he had his captaincy issues, that's largely irrelevant to a discussion about who was the best over a decade long period. Even if his cliff had happened post-2015, he's still got a body of 5 years' amazing work when he won 2x World Cups and 1x POTY. Again, what the actual fuck does Vermuelen have to show that compares to that?

                                                            I agree, Read's omission is not the most egregious in that list. What I can't fathom is just how underrated he is on this forum.

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                                                              junior @MajorRage last edited by

                                                              @MajorRage said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                              It's the wrong decade. That team is the best from 2005-2015.

                                                              2015-2020 would be a bloody tough decade to pick given how many teams played really well at various stages over that period

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                                                              • nzzp
                                                                nzzp @junior last edited by

                                                                @junior said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                                I agree, Read's omission is not the most egregious in that list. What I can't fathom is just how underrated he is on this forum.

                                                                Recency bias. Since 2015, he didn't hit the heights he had previously. We've got short memories here.

                                                                Also, what have you done for me lately?

                                                                I looked up POTY by the way. From 09 to 17, it was All Blacks all the way - except our friend Thierry in 2011. GOAT got nominated 8 times, which is pretty good going consdiering.

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                                                                • Chris B.
                                                                  Chris B. @Bovidae last edited by

                                                                  @Bovidae said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                                  @Stargazer How does the winner of the women's 15s player of the decade not make their team of the decade?

                                                                  Democracy? 🙂

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                                                                  • MajorRage
                                                                    MajorRage last edited by MajorRage

                                                                    See for me, the starting point is to take the 10 POTY's and include them on a mandatory basis. Although when you multiple players for one position, it completely falls apart (Barrett/Carter/Sexton, Dusatoir/PTSD)

                                                                    Playing at a high level for 10 years is great, but being the best player of 1 year is arguably the bigger achievement. That's why I'd have no issues with Pieter Steph Du-Toit in the team over Pocock.

                                                                    That's tough on Pocock, but thats how I'd do it.

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                                                                    • Kiwiwomble
                                                                      Kiwiwomble @junior last edited by

                                                                      @junior said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                                      @Kiwiwomble said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                                      @Dice I don't know if i'll get roasted, he was great and deserved his AB spot...but I really felt he was only "best in the world" for a couple of years

                                                                      All due respect to Vermuelen, who is an amazing player, but when was he ever in the conversation as the best in the world other than on 2019?

                                                                      I don’t know 🤷🏻♂ why ask me?

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                                                                      • rotated
                                                                        rotated @MajorRage last edited by

                                                                        @MajorRage said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                                        See for me, the starting point is to take the 10 POTY's and include them on a mandatory basis. Although when you multiple players for one position, it completely falls apart (Barrett/Carter/Sexton, Dusatoir/PTSD)

                                                                        Playing at a high level for 10 years is great, but being the best player of 1 year is arguably the bigger achievement. That's why I'd have no issues with Pieter Steph Du-Toit in the team over Pocock.

                                                                        That's tough on Pocock, but thats how I'd do it.

                                                                        Those awards have been rooted for years though. The methodology at least was (I haven't looked in a few years) was a bit random (not all games are weighted equally, some are not weighted at all) and obviously has an arbitrary cycle and in World Cup years always seem to be a MoTM for the final/tournament.

                                                                        I'm certainly not against giving McCaw more gongs though.

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                                                                          Good AB prop, but I wondered if Franks was clearly no1. in his position.

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                                                                            nostrildamus last edited by

                                                                            hmm and 14 is a bit contentious methinks.

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                                                                            • Duluth
                                                                              Duluth @Stargazer last edited by

                                                                              @Stargazer said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                                              World Rugby Awards

                                                                              World Rugby Men’s 15s Team of the Decade

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                                                                              For comparison here is the TSF teams of the decade (AB & Foreign, plus 2nd XV's)

                                                                              TSF Teams of the Decade - The Silver Fern
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                                                                                DMX @junior last edited by

                                                                                @junior said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:

                                                                                I agree, Read's omission is not the most egregious in that list. What I can't fathom is just how underrated he is on this forum.

                                                                                I think to many you are only as good as your last World Cup!

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                                                                                • Machpants
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                                                                                  The Brit Telegraph had extra ABs in, but a few out. Really it is a pretty average attempt at players of the decade with BoD and Habana past it, Smith much more consistent over the decade, Pocock in the wrong position, and a ‘most test losses’ extra participation award to Parisse.

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                                                                                  • dogmeat
                                                                                    dogmeat last edited by

                                                                                    Wales onLine went with 10 AB's adding Kaino, Read, Coles, Smith and savea but dropping Nonu and Whitelock for Owen Farrell and Alun Wynn Jones

                                                                                    Ben Smith (NZL); George North (WAL), Jonathan Davies (WAL), Owen Farrell (ENG), Julian Savea (NZL); Dan Carter (NZL), Aaron Smith (NZL); Tendai Mtawarira (RSA), Dane Coles (NZL), Owen Franks (NZL), Brodie Retallick (NZL), Alun Wyn Jones (WAL), Jerome Kaino (NZL), Richie McCaw (NZL), Kieran Read (NZL)

                                                                                    Ben James  /  Dec 8, 2020  /  Rugby News

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