Zac Guildford

[Canes4life]

Yikes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/124025178/zac-guildford-named-as-former-all-black-sentenced-for-punching-woman-in-the-face-in-appalling-act

[Machpants]

@canes4life I had him in mind, or Kelleher, the entire time it was under name suppression. What a wasted life

[Bovidae]

Stuff actually reported it was Guildford months ago before the name suppression kicked in and they amended their article, so it wasn't a secret.

[MN5]

What a complete fluffybunny he is

[Stargazer]

Mental illness causes many victims, and unfortunately some of those victims also cause other victims. It's bloody awful.

Each time, I hope he'll manage to deal with it better and not drink, but as with many others with mental illness and addictions, he'll relapse.

Being well-known in NZ certainly doesn't help. It's a fish bowl. There are horrible people on social media. If I were him, I'd stay off them for a few months at least.

He's been doing really good work in mental health, including for his new employer, so it's good they'll keep him on and let him continue.

[Gunner]

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

[mariner4life]

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

so much this.

I've played with a bunch. I was mates with a few of them.

The usual refrain is "well it's up to you to pull them in to line" is usually trotted out. Which is all well and good until that just makes them turn on you. And so it becomes easier to just avoid the issue while said fuck head does his usual thing

Most grow out of it. Sadly not all.

[Yeetyaah]

Alcohol does fucked up things to people and it's one of the most dangerous drugs here as we have a shit drinking culture.

I obviously believe people can drink and be fine but some people become dangerous when they drink. I have a mate who I don't drink with anymore as he's always an asshole when he drinks and has been arrested before when we were drinking so I don't drink with him anymore.

I feel for the dude as it's obviously mental health issues in conjunction with alcohol but there's no excuse. We saw the same thing with Selby-Rickit.

[Gunner]

Pretty fair comments.

I see no reason why a sportsperson should be treated any different to a Joe Bloggs who breaks the law and is therefore prevented travelling to other countries for work or leisure.

You make the bed, you lie in it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/300282963/zac-guildfords-naming-a-line-in-the-sand-for-badly-behaved-sportsmen

[Kiwiwomble]

@gunner yeah, ive always struggled with the "may affect future employment" idea...yeah...thats the punishment

[Siam]

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

Ridiculous statement. Virtue signalling. There are prisons with women who have stabbed people to death. Why separate women from people?

Of course I don't agree with indiscriminate violence against anybody but to suggest there are no self defence situations involving women is blatant old style misogyny.

[MN5]

@kiwiwomble said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner yeah, ive always struggled with the "may affect future employment" idea...yeah...thats the punishment

Not to mention he has a rap sheet that would make a league player blush. When will he ever learn ?

[Kirwan]

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

Ridiculous statement. Virtue signalling. There are prisons with women who have stabbed people to death. Why separate women from people?

Of course I don't agree with indiscriminate violence against anybody but to suggest there are no self defence situations involving women is blatant old style misogyny.

Bill Burr does a good bit on that topic.

[MN5]

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

Ridiculous statement. Virtue signalling. There are prisons with women who have stabbed people to death. Why separate women from people?

Of course I don't agree with indiscriminate violence against anybody but to suggest there are no self defence situations involving women is blatant old style misogyny.

I got physically attacked by a crazy bitch at the Auckland Casino once. It was quite bizarre and whilst I did feel like smacking her right in the chops I did the wise thing and held her at bay with my reach and signalled to security who kindly threw her out.

I’m such an old fashioned gentleman.

[Bones]

@mn5 said in Zac Guildford:

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

Ridiculous statement. Virtue signalling. There are prisons with women who have stabbed people to death. Why separate women from people?

Of course I don't agree with indiscriminate violence against anybody but to suggest there are no self defence situations involving women is blatant old style misogyny.

I got physically attacked by a crazy bitch at the Auckland Casino once. It was quite bizarre and whilst I did feel like smacking her right in the chops I did the wise thing and held her at bay with my reach and signalled to security who kindly threw her out.

I’m such an old fashioned gentleman.

It's mother's day in a couple of weeks huh?

[MajorRage]

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

Ridiculous statement. Virtue signalling. There are prisons with women who have stabbed people to death. Why separate women from people?

Of course I don't agree with indiscriminate violence against anybody but to suggest there are no self defence situations involving women is blatant old style misogyny.

I do often wonder how far away we are from laws crimes against woman (violence etc) being evened up in the interest of equality.

[MN5]

@bones said in Zac Guildford:

@mn5 said in Zac Guildford:

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

Ridiculous statement. Virtue signalling. There are prisons with women who have stabbed people to death. Why separate women from people?

Of course I don't agree with indiscriminate violence against anybody but to suggest there are no self defence situations involving women is blatant old style misogyny.

I got physically attacked by a crazy bitch at the Auckland Casino once. It was quite bizarre and whilst I did feel like smacking her right in the chops I did the wise thing and held her at bay with my reach and signalled to security who kindly threw her out.

I’m such an old fashioned gentleman.

It's mother's day in a couple of weeks huh?

Ok

[Siam]

@majorrage the thought of Rhonda Rousey or Amanda Nunes types being protected by the law is frightening

[Victor Meldrew]

@mn5 said in Zac Guildford:

I got physically attacked by a crazy bitch at the Auckland Casino once. It was quite bizarre and whilst I did feel like smacking her right in the chops I did the wise thing and held her at bay with my reach and signalled to security who kindly threw her out.

I had two women fight each other in a business meeting once. Bloody scary - didn't have a clue how to respond.

I’m such an old fashioned gentleman.

I just shouted "help" and let the other women at the meeting sort it out.

[Victor Meldrew]

@stargazer said in Zac Guildford:

Mental illness causes many victims, and unfortunately some of those victims also cause other victims. It's bloody awful.
Each time, I hope he'll manage to deal with it better and not drink, but as with many others with mental illness and addictions, he'll relapse.

Great post.

Yeah, Mental illness is a life-long struggle with ups and downs. Not excusing his behavior, but wish him well in his fight.

Being well-known in NZ certainly doesn't help. It's a fish bowl.

I have a famous sporting cousin and the fish-bowl almost wrecked her marriage and damaged her health. And that was in pre-Social Media days.

[MajorRage]

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@majorrage the thought of Rhonda Rousey or Amanda Nunes types being protected by the law is frightening

HA. Did actually LOL at that.

[Catogrande]

@mn5 said in Zac Guildford:

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

Ridiculous statement. Virtue signalling. There are prisons with women who have stabbed people to death. Why separate women from people?

Of course I don't agree with indiscriminate violence against anybody but to suggest there are no self defence situations involving women is blatant old style misogyny.

I got physically attacked by a crazy bitch at the Auckland Casino once. It was quite bizarre and whilst I did feel like smacking her right in the chops I did the wise thing and held her at bay with my reach and signalled to security who kindly threw her out.

I’m such an old fashioned gentleman.

There's no shame in a admitting you were beaten.

[MN5]

@catogrande said in Zac Guildford:

@mn5 said in Zac Guildford:

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

@siam said in Zac Guildford:

@gunner said in Zac Guildford:

Haven't read the article, but I assume it involves booze?

There is no excuse for hitting a woman. None. Bloody cowardly behaviour.
But he clearly has a problem, as he has form for doing really really dumb shit while on the piss.

I bet every rugby club social group in the country has a 'Zac Guilford' amongst them. Real nice guy when sober, get a couple of beers into them and they turn into absolute maggots.

Guildford is one of thousands of drunken boofheads in this country, so the problem is bigger then just Zac Guilford.

What to do? No idea. That's why I'm not a politician.

Edit: I see now, he was extremely intoxicated.

Ridiculous statement. Virtue signalling. There are prisons with women who have stabbed people to death. Why separate women from people?

Of course I don't agree with indiscriminate violence against anybody but to suggest there are no self defence situations involving women is blatant old style misogyny.

I got physically attacked by a crazy bitch at the Auckland Casino once. It was quite bizarre and whilst I did feel like smacking her right in the chops I did the wise thing and held her at bay with my reach and signalled to security who kindly threw her out.

I’m such an old fashioned gentleman.

There's no shame in a admitting you were beaten.

They woulda given it to me on points. I was Lennox Lewis, she was David Tua.....possibly a bit prettier.

[gt12]

My parents were at a concert in Auckland once and a lady in front of them decided to hit my mother (with a closed fist).

My old man floored her and apparently her guy didn’t bother trying it on. I wonder if that relationship lasted

My parents are coming up on 55 years

[Paekakboyz]

@gt12 55 years!? shit, that's a long sentence

[Bones]

@paekakboyz said in Zac Guildford:

@gt12 55 years!? shit, that's a long sentence

JUSTICE

[voodoo]

@bones said in Zac Guildford:

@paekakboyz said in Zac Guildford:

@gt12 55 years!? shit, that's a long sentence

JUSTICE

Accountability!

[Mokey]

While I'm glad that Zac seems to be turning his life around at last, he is VERY lucky to have received the leniency he has considering his rap sheet over the past decade or so. And I kind of hate the fact that 'possible future rugby employment' still holds so much sway in court.
The path of Joe Anybody with same rap sheet would have been very different. Sportspeople aren't entitled to their career. They should face consequences same as anyone else for violent offences, especially repeat ones.

[Rancid Schnitzel]

It’s weird isn’t it. You violently assault someone or sell drugs and you deserve a second or third chance, but you write or say something that offends someone (or God forbid tease someone about their accent) and you get cast out of society.

I’d much rather be teased than punched in the face, but maybe that’s just me.

[Crucial]

@mokey said in Zac Guildford:

While I'm glad that Zac seems to be turning his life around at last, he is VERY lucky to have received the leniency he has considering his rap sheet over the past decade or so. And I kind of hate the fact that 'possible future rugby employment' still holds so much sway in court.
The path of Joe Anybody with same rap sheet would have been very different. Sportspeople aren't entitled to their career. They should face consequences same as anyone else for violent offences, especially repeat ones.

I think that the judge here agreed with you. Not saying that they all will just that you are at risk of joining the GOM thread by shouting at the wrong cloud.

[OleOleOle]

@crucial I think his rap sheet is actually pretty clean, he has a conviction for drink driving....other than that he has no other convictions. The Rarotonga incident was an employment incident.... I would expect Joe Public with the same background to be treated similarly...the fact he has been a shit employee over a long time doesn't come into it.

[Snowy]

@crucial said in Zac Guildford:

@mokey said in Zac Guildford:

While I'm glad that Zac seems to be turning his life around at last, he is VERY lucky to have received the leniency he has considering his rap sheet over the past decade or so. And I kind of hate the fact that 'possible future rugby employment' still holds so much sway in court.
The path of Joe Anybody with same rap sheet would have been very different. Sportspeople aren't entitled to their career. They should face consequences same as anyone else for violent offences, especially repeat ones.

I think that the judge here agreed with you. Not saying that they all will just that you are at risk of joining the GOM thread by shouting at the wrong cloud.

@Mokey would need a GOW thread wouldn't she? I have just assumed gender, oh shit.
Maybe we need all of the letters. GOL, GOG, GOB, GOT, GOQ, GOI, GOA. Threads for everyone pissed off at the world. Probably missed one and pissed someone off right there.

Interesting thing about the violence against women thing above - my wife attributes bad behaviour by women to the fact that they don't get smacked in the face if they act up. I'm talking public situations, not domestic violence. In a pub type thing, where some bloke has a go at another bloke he is likely to get a broken nose, whereas a woman gets away with it, and learns that she can.
My minor gender psychology comment for the day.

[Kirwan]

@snowy Might as well post this, covers it all;

[Snowy]

@kirwan Love that, and my wife agrees. We have watched that together (big Bill fans).

[Yeetyaah]

@rancid-schnitzel I understand why you're pissed off about the Wheeler situation but that's a ridiculous comparison and dramatic to suggest he's been "cast out of society."

[Rancid Schnitzel]

@yeetyaah said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel I understand why you're pissed off about the Wheeler situation but that's a ridiculous comparison and dramatic to suggest he's been "cast out of society."

Seen Joe Wheeler on TV recently?

The fact remains that for some inexplicable reason, second, third etc chances are given for violent crimes yet you’re beyond redemption if you write or say something that might offend someone. I’d rather have someone grievously insult me in a car park than headbutt me. I’d also be much more likely to give a second chance to someone who insults one of kids rather than someone who tries to sell them drugs.

[Crucial]

@rancid-schnitzel said in Zac Guildford:

@yeetyaah said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel I understand why you're pissed off about the Wheeler situation but that's a ridiculous comparison and dramatic to suggest he's been "cast out of society."

Seen Joe Wheeler on TV recently?

The fact remains that for some inexplicable reason, second, third etc chances are given for violent crimes yet you’re beyond redemption if you write or say something that might offend someone. I’d rather have someone grievously insult me in a car park than headbutt me. I’d also be much more likely to give a second chance to someone who insults one of kids rather than someone who tries to sell them drugs.

There's another thread for this but hardly an apples for apples comparison. Got examples of those 3rd chances for violence?

[Rancid Schnitzel]

@crucial said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel said in Zac Guildford:

@yeetyaah said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel I understand why you're pissed off about the Wheeler situation but that's a ridiculous comparison and dramatic to suggest he's been "cast out of society."

Seen Joe Wheeler on TV recently?

The fact remains that for some inexplicable reason, second, third etc chances are given for violent crimes yet you’re beyond redemption if you write or say something that might offend someone. I’d rather have someone grievously insult me in a car park than headbutt me. I’d also be much more likely to give a second chance to someone who insults one of kids rather than someone who tries to sell them drugs.

There's another thread for this but hardly an apples for apples comparison. Got examples of those 3rd chances for violence?

What would be an apples for apples comparison?

[Crucial]

@rancid-schnitzel said in Zac Guildford:

@crucial said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel said in Zac Guildford:

@yeetyaah said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel I understand why you're pissed off about the Wheeler situation but that's a ridiculous comparison and dramatic to suggest he's been "cast out of society."

Seen Joe Wheeler on TV recently?

The fact remains that for some inexplicable reason, second, third etc chances are given for violent crimes yet you’re beyond redemption if you write or say something that might offend someone. I’d rather have someone grievously insult me in a car park than headbutt me. I’d also be much more likely to give a second chance to someone who insults one of kids rather than someone who tries to sell them drugs.

There's another thread for this but hardly an apples for apples comparison. Got examples of those 3rd chances for violence?

What would be an apples for apples comparison?

One with similar consequences?

[Rancid Schnitzel]

@crucial said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel said in Zac Guildford:

@crucial said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel said in Zac Guildford:

@yeetyaah said in Zac Guildford:

@rancid-schnitzel I understand why you're pissed off about the Wheeler situation but that's a ridiculous comparison and dramatic to suggest he's been "cast out of society."

Seen Joe Wheeler on TV recently?

The fact remains that for some inexplicable reason, second, third etc chances are given for violent crimes yet you’re beyond redemption if you write or say something that might offend someone. I’d rather have someone grievously insult me in a car park than headbutt me. I’d also be much more likely to give a second chance to someone who insults one of kids rather than someone who tries to sell them drugs.

There's another thread for this but hardly an apples for apples comparison. Got examples of those 3rd chances for violence?

What would be an apples for apples comparison?

One with similar consequences?

So when an offensive phrase results in the victim being rushed to the ER? Or an offensive tweet causes a kid to OD? A car park insult resulting in someone going to the morgue?